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The mods are doing a terrible job. How dare they agree with me. (Ducks since Catchfire probably hasn't drunk enough coffee yet today.)
In the spirit of the board, and because I happen to like L.T.U.E, I'm certainly willing to avoid any further use of the term, as I've managed to do for years until this very thread.
And how many times did the LPC pucker-up and French kiss Harper's ass when it came down to votes in the House? It was totally disgusting and obscene after the first 50 times in a row.
Say, now that's a knock about personal preferences. What may be disgusting and obscene to you might be sheer bliss for others.
Hi, Sean. This complaint comes from someone who drives by a thread, sees something negative about the NDP, and launches the most outrageous, baiting, trolling, provocative accusations, before driving back out. He did the same in the thread about Horwath when someone used the word "girlfriend". There is nothing the least bit sincere or legitimate about his trash talk. He calms down for a bit, then returns to his ways. I will never, ever respond to his baiting in a positive way. However, when he makes a serious political comment - which I must say he frequently does - I try to respond in kind. He has a lot to offer, when he isn't throwing his smelly little bombs around.
Now, can I please get a moderator's ruling on "BARE MINIMUM"?
Ok, Unionist. You've made your point. Let's move on.
I will move on. But LTUE accused me of homophobia. I don't consider that minor. And it doesn't make for a collegial atmosphere when someone does that. That's not just "my point". Accusations like that must not be permitted here, without proof.
So typical. Precious I pointed out you used a homophobic term, you then went on to take some pride in its use. At no time did I say YOU were homophobic. When the use of a similar term was pointed out to NDPP he was apolgetic and changed things. He did not try to bully those who brought it up.
babble is now a joke. You are either a cool kid, or you are not. If you are not you are subject to all kinds of bullying behaviour. Unionist's post in 65 is complete lie and a direct personal attack and all that happens is a "move on". I brought up both issues, because both of them are wrong. Calling a female leader the girlfriend of another leader is absolutely sexist. I would call anyone on it if I saw it. I brought it up for that and for no other reason.
The in crowd here is nothing but a bunch of macho wannabe cyber-bullies. Good riddance. You dare to call yourself progressives when really you are nothing but an echo-chamber clique. I think I'll join all the real world activists who actually do something rather than your constant armchair quarterbacking. What I wrote in bringing up the use of that term was almost exactly like what writer wrote in the use of the offensive term used by NDPP in another thread which was clearly a homophobic slur, if unintended. He/she showed great maturity in how they responded and I was impressed even if I might not agree on lots of other things. The term used there is in fact is used in very similar ways to suckhole, but the behaviour afterwards was remarkably different, including from the moderator. When I do it this is the way I am treated. No wonder so many people have left this place over the last number of years. It is always about playing favourites and who the moderator 'likes'. It is so very reminiscent of high school.
Protect the bully. After over 60 years on this planet I guess I should be used to the way these things always work, but you know I thought maybe rabble/babble would be different. Sadly it is not.
To put it as diplomatically as possible, they may not meet the bare minimum expectations of the people of Canada but they will more than likely exceed those of the ruling class. I predict this won't affect their future electoral successes however, since the no difference party pony has one good trick which, as things go from bad to worse, will not fail to work: 'the others are worse'. In any case NDP partisans and apologists will continue to prove them right no matter how wrong. As for the rest of us, their treacherous trajectory, of which NATO and Libya is only one of the highlights, promises their future will be much like their past. Of which this is as good an example as any:
Scenes of the Class Struggle in Canada:
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/michael-laxer/2012/05/scenes-class-strug...
"...What is abundantly clear is that our political leaders, and remember that this occurred primarily in a minority parliament when there was or should have been, far greater oversight of the action of the Harper Tories, have decided that while we clearly have the means and the social wealth to end poverty in Canada, the far greater priority is to subsidize the liquidity of the bloated profits of our, as it turns out, incompetent and not solid financial sector.
As to the question of which side these politicians are on, they have made this quite clear, and the public is fed this not as an assault by the wealthy or the corporations on society, but as a reasonable and responsible course of action."
Then again it takes Steve far longer to cross the lake, because he only uses his RIGHT oar.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah...look, we GET it that you hate the NDP and think that it is a worthless organization. You've said that over and over again(in fact, your POSTING NAME says that everytime you post). Having made it clear to all of us that you think that...have you, yourself, done anything at all to build or help build a more worthwhile alternative? If so...what?
What, exactly, is YOUR preferred method here? What do you WANT all of those who back the NDP to do INSTEAD?
Just one...just ONCE...tell us what YOU would call for. Tell us what OBVIOUSLY SUPERIOR approach you have to offer that would create instant Utopia where everyone else has failed. OK?
You can't JUST say "this sucks". You've ALSO got to say "here's what everyone SHOULD be doing instead". That's how you build alternatives...you start by proposing them.
Yes and Fidel has the left one. I'm loving the image of boats doing pirouettes across the water.
This is a distortion.
At no time did Unionist "take pride in using a homophobic term" (and to coyly say that would not constitute calling Unionist homophobic is a thin--but not uncommon-- dodge).
It is not a "homophobic term"--and certainly not in context.
Though I seldom use these metaphors myself:
Suckhole, brown-nosing, sucking up to, kiss-ass, fart catcher, etc. are all sex-alluding metaphor meaning abject subservience.
NONE of which denote in their non-metaphorical sense either gender preference, or gender identity in the relationship. Neither does it in the metaphorical use--apparent to anyone who has witnessed their application in the real world.
Ah yes...I well remember secretly reading J.D. Salinger's "The Fart-Catcher In The Rye" as a teenager. It changed my life...but I'm stil not sure how.
stop backing and start fronting.,,
These are something I would hope everyone can get behind, but I wouldn't hold your breath. Mulcair is just another globalist whore...I'm sorry, is that offensive? Still, we need to support the party 100% because Harper is terrible, and Mulcair will be better - how could he possibly be worse? Except, we said that about Bush, and it turns out that Obama is even worse than Bush on civil rights...yikes...but, of course, it couldn't possibly happen here, could it?
I agree with the gist of NDPP's post, but I'm not completely disillusioned. I'll work hard to get an NDP MP elected here. It'll be a two-horse race anyhow. But I'm not optimistic. From where I'm standing Canada doesn't look so different from the other countries where the left and right argue about what kind of neoliberal capitalism we will have, all entirely staged, fabricated, to create the illusion of democracy to pacify the people so that the people who own the world can get on with raping the planet.
A Mulcair government should at the bare minimum expect that the MSM and the right wing charitable think "tanks" will mount a constant and unrelenting attack no matter what they do. As well they should at the bare minimum expect a capital strike for their time in office.
How they will meet those realities that they should expect is the real question.
I'd have gone with "private ejaculation contractor".
Would it be asking too much for the ndp fandom to include on its bare minimum list an end to the slavish public bootlicking of international warcriminals like Lieberman and Netanyahu? And to mitigate their fearless leader's intention to act as 'an ardent supporter of Israel in all situations and in all circumstances."?
Or we could just avoid metaphors which demean and dehumanize sex workers altogether. How about that?
ETA. Cross-posted with NDPP
I agree with all three.
Here are some more...
1. Electoral reform.
2. A ban on oil tankers in BC's coastal waters.
3. Bringing the Canadian military "trainers" home from Afghanistan.
Fair enough. My post was meant to use comedy to discourage the imagery the poster I was responding to was using. Sorry if the way I phrased it sounded like I was endorsing such imagery. My bad.
Thanks Ken. I understand. I also think your three absolutes for a Mulcair gov't are attractive and attainable. In fact, they are good enough for the NDP to declare right now!
It's not good enough for the NDP to simply move forward with new policies, etc.
I want to see retroactive turn-around on several past damaging policies and laws, including: NAFTA, firing of Health Canada scientists and park rangers, muzzling of scientists, 652 pesticides now allowed in imported food, big money for helicopters & submarines & Afganistan, etc., Kyoto, devolution of environmental responsibilities, raised age of seniors' pension, media monopoly laws, to name just a few...
And it has to enact Proportional Representation.
There needs to be an about face on all of the above issues, or I will know that the NDP and Mulcair aren't one bit genuine.
I think the NDP will have a tough slog in certain respects. For one thing it's an economy built of straw over the last 30 years with controlling interest owned by rich foreigners and mainly Americans in roughly three dozen key sectors. If they decide to squeeze our balls, it will hurt in the event of a capital strike. However, I think Ottawa should be in the driver's seat should it come down to a trade war. We are so used to Ottawa not fighting for Canadian interests when visiting Washington that the NDP should easily prove to be a different kind of government.
As Murray Dobbin wrote recently, Canadians have been accepting less with respect to government in Ottawa for about 30 years. It's time Canadians started demanding more from government not less, and I have high hopes for the NDP. I have high hopes but I also realize that the other two parties have sabotaged a lot of oppportunities for socialism in this country with running up the debt and pawning off the family jewels and silverware to wealthy foreigners. Not everything will be fixed inside one four-year term in power. And they've been rowing and making a beeline the other side of the lake for decades.
This is as big a stretch as "homophobia".
If "sex workers" is the first, second, or third, association you make from any of the terms I use, I wouldn't call your attitude to sex workers progessive.
Or maybe the Moderators could actually enforce the babble policy evenhandedly? This isn't the first time unionis has engaged in passive-aggressive bullying behaviour and hasn't been sanctioned for it.
"Suckholing?" Really? When I hear it, it sounds a great deal to me like an abusive parent yelling at a child and saying, "don't you go suckholing to anybody." Why is unionist so special that he can get away with behaviour so offensive where anyone else would be sanctioned?
At least have the honesty to remove the babble policy on the front page and simply say, "sanctions, suspensions, and bannings are completely at the discrestion of the moderators, without any regards to consistency." At least people would know what they're in for when they sign up.
Contrarianna, I was referring to Boze's use of "whore". Wouldn't you say that refers to sex work?
A24, I gave what I consider good reasons for my decision above. The issue is long since done with. If you'd like to insult me further, please take it to PMs. Or just do it on your own discussion board.
From a BC perspective I think Ujjal is the poster boy for what you get when the NDP heads to the center to create a big tent party. I voted for Corky both times he ran and was gob smacked to see a liberal get elected after Clark. The NDP membership is scared of the MSM and so the majority of them normally pick the safe bland approach.