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The same story in Globe and Mail:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/pierre-poutine-launched-rob...
This has been known for a long time. And was pretty apparent very soon after the story broke.
The 'news' is of the case moving along. We see the parts that require periodic court filings of what the investigaters are compelling people to give evidence for. [Though a lot of the material in the filings- to convince the judge there is a case- is things they have got from voluntary testimony or investigation not requiring warrants.]
While they are building evidence against Prescott, they long ago had that established, the goals of the investigation are broader. And other court filings refer to searching the Cons central data base.
The Globe story describes the Cons working to isolate themselves from Michael Sona, the guy in the Guelph campaign who was the first to be tagged with responsibility, and resigned his constitutuncy assistant job.
Appears he probably did do a lot of loose talk about American style voter disruption methods, and the Cons are claiming they warned him away from it.
The NDP will just look foolish if they go hopping up and down every time there is a little bit of news on the progress of an investigation that is going to take a long time.
Not True..the voting democratic public , especially the people in those 200 ridings need this issue to be rammed down the throats of Canadians on a daily basis till they had enough of the conservatives...The NDP should be seizing every opportunity to expose the fraudulent crooks for what they are..till the conservative criminals are jailed if need be.
This isn't about a single riding scam it's about every single piece of legislation being forced on people illegally..there is more than the one single Guelph issue ..like 200 ridings...like democracy...like the vote...
I'm almost sure that when all is said and done the real PM will be known and guess what ? It won't be S. Harper...Elections Canada by dragging there feet on this are in effect extending the dictators rule and phoney majority manipulation of the system....just watch them pass legislation with little or no debate ..they know what they have done!
New http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zky2bn0Gtyg New
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-QvXax88J8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eQgUpkJ1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns8LD5Q8ecc
Though all the stories report Prescott's computer involved in the fraud, they (or their lawyers) are careful enough not to claim Prescott did it prior to any charges--(should they ever be laid). Given the number of ridings involved in various frauds, people higher up could be involved in cuing many underlings for different ridings.
At least as interesting (though again not a shocker) is the central Con database, CIMS, being matched by Elections Canada with the targetted list of fraud victims with CIMS flagged voters as not Con supporters:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/04/robocalls-ip-address-matches-one...
The use of the central Con CIMS in MANY of the fraud ridings is almost certain.
It was already updated and running back in 2008 when it was likely used in the election fraud test-run in Saanich-Gulf Islands.
Not surprisingly, the reporters who broke the story have a lot more detail of who is who and who did what in their latest.
So here is what we have so far:
** There is plenty of hard evidence of a fraud in Geulph and who did it. And this means the person who actually did the work will be very careful not to perjure himself about the involvement of others in the Guelph campaign and back in Ottawa. It also means that he has a big interest in contradicting anyone attempting to minimize their involvement or knowledge of what happened.
** There is on record a second person in the Guelph campaign who talked a lot about voter disruption methods, and who is now on record as having talked to a number of Guelph campaign workers now distributed around Ottawa, and people in the central campaign, in a chain that on record goes at least as far as the national director of Voter Contact, who would be the very top person in charge of the data base. The network of testimony from theses various people, and the potential all of them have for being charged and prosecuted, effectively eliminates the possibility of a complete cover-up.
** Also on record- that someone with high security in Ottawa removed records of who logged into the central data base.
That we know because of court filings investigators have to make to get court permission for some of their investigating tools and practices. All of that pertians only to the Guelph case. Even in that case, there are other investigative avenues which do not require filings, and no one is [yet] giving hints to reporters about.
And then there is the broad national investigation, about which we hear almost no details because there are no required public court filings yet. A lot of this is going to be thousands of enquiries and tons of number crunching. After they get all that and trace back to IP adresses and access logs to the national data base. Then more questions of those people involved.
There is always the possibility that the brain trust can concoct a plan where someone falls on their sword to take the balme for everything.
"I conceived all this and put it into play. My superiors never knew."
It is looking like a fall guy would have to be as high up as a senior person in the central campaign, who works right under the national campaign director. But it would be sufficiently plausible he could do that entirely on his own initiative.
But if such an admission were a cover-up, it is VERY personaly risky for everyone 'assembling' it, and for the party. The damage would be much worse than letting the chips fall where they will.
People denying involvement at this stage, or saying that they hear about plans but told people not to do it [or the really weak 'I didnt think they were serious'].... all of that happens as a matter of course during investigations, and does not mean there is an organized attempt to throughly alter evidence and testimony. Everyone except the flunkies who actually did it in Guelph knows they can evade, lie and minimize when questioned now.... without harm to themselves when/if later they are compelled to backtrack and tell the truth.
Robocalls by Andrew Prescott/Michael Sona and Racknine Matt Meier. I knew it.
I saw Andrew's twitter says he attended NDP convention in couple month ago, i wonder why?
Political junkies routinely go to converntions of other parties.
No one is alleging or even implying that Sona made Robocalls. Matt Meier is cooperating with Elections Canada much more vigorously than he needs to. And the NDP and Martin have had to issue a retraction for implicating him in anything, much less making the calls.
You don't "know" what you are saying.
At best, loose talk is not helpful and undermines credibility. And it can be libelous... like legal trouble, such as the NDP already veered into on this.
WTF is Pat Martin doing here, posting under a nom de plume??
Here's an interesting chronological overview of media coverage:
http://aboyandhistvshow.blogspot.ca/2012/05/analyzing-pieces-of-robofrau...
Some additional robo-blogging links:
http://creekside1.blogspot.ca/2012/05/robocon-cross-border-election-shop...
http://www.pogge.ca/archives/003591.shtml
The robocalling company had better co-operate as if they didn't it would be obstructuion of justice...another factor is the anonymous proxy server that keeps creeping up...
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A word of caution -
Anonymous proxy only offer basic privacy and it is possible to subpoena the log of an anonymous proxy server to obtain an IP address. Most US proxy server will surrender to a simple letter from an attorney, some will require a subpoena. Very few will attempt fight the subpoena with a "Motion to Quash". For Best protection use a foreign proxy server in a third world country. Good luck issuing a subpoena to an internet service provider (ISP) in the Czech Republic for example!"
http://www.easywebproxy.com/
With the heads up and warnings by elections Canada it should be inetersting to see if the anonymous proxy server was Canadian or republican(US) or off shore like some kind of shady criminal operation......another thing that stinks is the amount of time being sucked up....at this rate - one riding a year- it would take 200 years to complete an investigation of 200 ridings ...something is rotten in Denmark people! Hint it starts with a big "C"
Saskboy links this computer savvy analysis by Zorpheous which gives reasons why, despite people jumping to conclusions, the identity of "Pierre Poutine" based on current knowledge, is not yet sure. Worth a read:
http://www.thewingnuterer.ca/2012/05/06/robocon-the-noose-tightens-aroun...
And from Saskboy's site:
http://saskboy.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/concalls-computer-science/
Given the history of both the RCMP and EC in the Saanich-Gulf Islands 2008 fraud, I don't share Saskboy's confidence the high up culprits "will one day face an Obstruction of Justice charge for tampering with evidence".
I was reading Saskboy's blog last night, and then went over to unfuckwithable, two blogs that seem to have some interesting insider info. Unfuckablewith posted that he had all conservative emails from 2006, or that another blogger did.
Now, the next day, unfuckwithable.ca is offline.
Are we about to get a wikileaks of our own here?
Will this incrinimate or empower the conservatives, if its true?
Holy Smokes ..that would be the smoking gun no doubt. I hope he has the smarts to copy and distribute to select people, media etc. before he dishs out the cold dish to the investigators and when he does he should alert the public so they/we can see how the cons try and cover up there tracks , this may rattle their cages enough and perhaps cause paranoia and panic among the fraudsters and they may start falling apart at the seams.
If Harper starts rattling the "national security" rattle like he has done in the past when he or his corrupt band of criminals is about to be exposed , he may try and muzzle the info like he did when he was about to be exposed as a violator of the Geneva torture rules of war (war criminal)...
It would make elections Canada and even perhaps csis look like crooked pawns in that case by bringing them in under the umbrella of conspiracy partners....should be interesting to see who's side the nations election watchdog and security picks...as they are about to change who watchs over csis and other security agency's they should hurry up ,before the windows close on them.... time to bring Harper down and nullify all his illegal legislation? Much less his dictatorship.
Who knows at this point.
If they have the info, they could have been shut down by the conservatives and searched. If they have the info and were smart enough to back it up somewhere else things might get interesting.
But that's a big if, it just seems suspicious that they're down less then 24 hours after posting they had it.
Who knows at this point.
If they have the info, they could have been shut down by the conservatives and searched. If they have the info and were smart enough to back it up somewhere else things might get interesting.
But that's a big if, it just seems suspicious that they're down less then 24 hours after posting they had it.
Some info on unfuckwithables recent posts ...with some neat info via links that show at least with the 18 ridings how the election would of turned out without robocalls (just 18 ridings) not the 200 being investigated and it looks like a tory minority..."The Crux: There would not be a Conservative majority government"
http://topsy.com/unfuckwithable.ca/post/19662621518
I would have to bet those emails will be very incriminating...seems google has cached some pages.
Some stuff from facebook:bing search pop up.
"Sorry about being incommunicado the past few weeks. Some things came up and I wasn’t able to speak publicly or be involved in any internet stuff until it was ...
unfuckwithable.ca"
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Well well well...looks like someone is doing a better job than elections canada and the rcmp and csis. Sounds like he is getting advice from legal experts on this story....
At this rate when some one goes to search on the net and types conservative ..google will have the caption "Do you mean conservative fraudulent cheat"
...or that the advice he is getting comes from different parts of his own brain.
You forgot the geopolitical consequences.
Unfuckwithable.ca is back on and now he's saying:
"Senator Doug Finley orchestrated it, in 2011, 2008, 2006, as well as in certain by-elections (cough*Vaughan*cough). It’s hard to refute emails from his @conservative.ca account to the (two) main companies behind the robocalling and voter suppression, discussing strategy and payment.
Background: Senator Finley is PM Harper’s #2 man in government and also ran his 2006 and 2008 federal election campaigns. He also supports the separatist Scottish National Party (the irony, when compared to Quebec separatists) and was responsible for the in-and-out scandal, in which the Tories repeatedly violated Elections Canada campaign finance and expenses rules.
Literally the least surprising development ever. This isn’t a witch hunt. No no no no no no no — it’s a thief hunt."
Here's some more from the legend in his own mind unfuckwithable:
Donate to unfuckwithable
Sorry, continuing this blog and storing all the sensitive information, data, and emails safely has caused the total cost to skyrocket. More to be released later.
This is in no way not totally degrading.
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I was going to post a screencap of some deployment sheets for JTF2 that lists members' names, passport numbers, point of contacts (in countries DND hasn't told Parliament about!), ranks and unit structure...but as I come from a family from a strong military and public service background, I (rightly) figured that this would be morally reprehensible and in all likelihood illegal.
But, the documents do exist. I printed them out and I have it on my nightstand. Maxime Bernier, eat your heart out.
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So since I've cracked and exploited Communications Security Establishment's encryption keys vis-a-vis the equivalent American agencies, I wonder how much that kind of information could go for on the open market?
Right now I'm reading "encrypted" embassy traffic and emails within the Government of Canada/Conservative Party of Canada discussing bribery in the PMO, Privy Council, and Cabinet. It's pretty fascinating material. Oh, and entirely illegal on the government's part. It makes every Liberal Party scandal in the history of everything ever, combined, look weak.
Ooooooo Vic Toews is gonna be sooooo pissed at me!
::emoticon for jerking off::
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Sorry about being incommunicado the past few weeks. Some things came up and I wasn't able to speak publicly or be involved in any internet stuff until it was cleared up. So I'll be getting back to it gradually over the next several days and weeks.
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He must have been under Deep Cover, and deep into all the secrets no doubt.
Like these:
And I have the encryption keys in use by the Govt of Canada, including the diplomatic community and the military. They're not sophisticated.
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Even if they changed information assurance procedures, I could render them useless in a matter of days.
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Also, the emails and memos directing domestic surveillance via CSIS against the Liberal Party, NDP, Bloc Quebecois, and political activists.
about 5 hours ago
(With the branches they used and the account numbers.)
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Enough?
ah, so you think he's full of crap, do you?
If even half of what he said is true he has walked all over elections Canada ,the rcmp and csis when it comes to investigative powers .
Something that I noticed in the past is if the government actually worked together they would be a force to reckon with security wise but they don't so they are always a weak link. Now with the divide and conquer conservatives at the helm it's probably even worse...That he can decrypt security keys or hack into gov emails means good hacker skills. I wonder if the new job he speaks of in Virginia is cia ..there building all kinds of intel buildings etc.
Whatever the case I hope he has so many hardcopy's of all the stuff he has collected distributed all over the place .Some examples would be good just to show the inept investigative and possibly corrupt practice of our national investigators...and ..."whats that sound "? ..." Oh that's the sound of conservatives knees rattling...you can hear them all the way from Ottawa".
So because some dufus claims he has done that, you beleive him? At all?
Hacking the security of one institution once is plausible. But someone who supposedly freely goes in and out of dozens of them, goes and gets whatever he sets his sights on [rather than what is there when he gets in], is not the least bit anonymous about it, but dsepite not seeming to care about being anonymous, actually has nothing to share, is supposedly storing all this somewhere....
If you think he has done any of that, you should send him a donation as he so politely asked.
Just saying ...if half of what he is saying is true.......more info coming from him than any other organization that's for sure and if he does produce those emails ,someone will be eating crow. Of course there is the risk he is a setting himself up as someone to send information too ..an operative if you will...whether he is a government operative or freelance , the possibility exists.
"Send me the info"...then it turns out to be tory central and they target you...the stakes are high in the world of conservative fraud /cheating , election rigging and dictatorships , anything is possible now. Who knows ..one day the whole con caucus may drink the poison kool aid...like some kind of cult..I wouldn't be surprised.
Is there ANY real information coming from him?
Is there any reason to think so? Because it sounds like fun if its true, that makes this kind of stuff a better bet than Elections Canada?