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Admiration.
Excuse me while I kiss the sky.
Some thought he sang "Scuse me while I kiss this guy".
PS: Unionist, your "I think Mulcair should sing: "I want to take you, Hyer!" was the funniest thing I've read this year!
Everyone is for Hyer. We're just dickering over the price.
You know what I love about babble (let me count the ways)? Once we start a string of "clever" silliness, instead of petering out, it just keeps getting better!
[Long pause while everyone searches intently for the non-existent pun or 60s pop culture reference in the previous para.]
Way to kill a good buzz, man.
Sly of you to notice I'm part of that Family.
Boom shakalaka
That was Hendrix, dammit! And all John Fogerty could say in response was "There's a bathroom on the right". To which Felix Cavillere replied "Life could be ecstasy, you and me and Leslie
...Groovin'."
What I can't get my head around is this...most of the NDP caucus, regardless of their position on the LGR, was excluded from the shadow cabinet. Why does Hyer think he was any more entitled to a place there than anybody else?
ha ha ha - oh that was so good! happy face for tonight's "laugh in"
Shafted again? Sorry to prick your bubble, but language is a only a tool, so reload your rod, cock your pistol, and fire away.
Yay Wilf! Joining in the jollity! Good one. Or are you just dicking me around?
And remember, Babblers...i.t's not the length of your post...it's what you DO with it.
Because before the Orange Crush of 2011, all members had a position in the shadow cabinet. Then all these Quebec members get in (which is a good thing), and they take the spots of those who had the spots before them. I might add Hyer has a Master of Science degree, much more qualified than many of the NDP shadow cabinet.
thing is that this guy's actions here with quiting the caucus essentially confirm that he's not fit for cabinet. now that lsd is gone, there probably isn't another member in the entire caucus who'd go flamboyance like this. the guy may be re-admitted to caucus but, after this, he'll never be anything more than a backbencher, a vote. and if the guy thinks the ndp needs him, he should talk to niki ashton.
He runs a tourism business, doesn't he? I think he's overqualified to sit in the NDP caucus.
He promotes eco-tourism in North-western Ontario. I'd say thats a good progressive career. His Master of Science degree is in Forestry. When I look at his resume, and at Julian's, I'm not so sure I'd pick Julian. Actually, I'd probably divide the portfolio, Julian could keep Energy, Hyer takes Natural Resources. I'm curious to know why you think people like Dube, Lapointe, Nantel, or any one of the Deputy Critics (especially Brosseau, or Anne Minh-Thu Quach who got Deputy Environment, something that Hyer is much more qualified for) are more qualified?
I think you're confusing the qualifications of elected representatives with those of public service functionaries. Elected representatives should be faithful, dedicated, self-sacrificing, attentive servants of the people, ready to marshall all of society's resources in the service of that cause. I don't think a minister of finance needs to be an accountant, nor does a minister of industry and commerce need to be an entrepeneur, nor does a minister of foreign affairs need to come from the diplomatic corps. In fact, I believe that such individual training, education, or experience may often serve as a serious obstacle that needs to be overcome, so that the individual may perceive their role in a new and liberated way.
I'm talking, of course, about progressive political representatives in a progressive government, or shadow role. I'm not talking about the trained seals whose sole purpose in life is to keep working people enslaved and keep the rich swimming in obscene pools of wealth.
So far, Bruce Hyer has proven himself totally incapable of fulfilling the role of a progressive elected representative. I'm not saying he can't change. I'm just saying he has a choice.
And I think that having background, knowledge, interest, can be very helpful. It suggest otherwise, is distainful of education/knowledge but also the various path of knowledge creation and aquistion. The younger MPs were in higher education pathways so I would suggest that they too value education and knowledge attainment.
I think that Hyer acted with a knee jerk reaction but to suggest that he didn't have the knowledge and skillset is not the reason why he was not chosen this time. I hope he sticks around. Our experiences provide insight and opportunity for growth.
I think Hyer's a bit of a loose cannon. I'd be wary of bringing him back.
Anyway, I do think it was a knee jerk reaction. But I do believe he "deserved" to be in the shadow cabinet. Also, I am completely against whipping votes, as it is totally undemocratic. If Hyer runs (as an independent), I expect the Conservatives to come up the middle and win.
Is this in relation to the next federal election?
Does anybody here think Hyer's petty enough to resign his seat and force a snap byelection over this(in which he would stand as an independent) just to stick it to Mulcair?
No, that's the last thing he would ever do. He needs to be an MP until 2014 so he can collect his pension. There is no way he would give up his salary and take the risk of being blamed for forcing a $100,000 byelection and then where would he raise any m,oney from. If he did that he would probably come in fourth and end up having to file for bankruptcy protection.
I disagree. In a system such as ours, I want and expect it on matters of policy. Party discipline is why voters can place their confidence in virtually unknown candidates. And without it, individual memebers can be vulnerable to influences perhaps stronger than their conscience, and we could easily end up with a farce much like the US congress.
Yes.
See, I disagree. Epecially within the NDP party, there is a big urban/rural divide. NDP supporters in Thunder Bay, Timmins-James Bay, Churchill, etc., have quite different views on many issues compared to NDP supporters in Toronto Danforth and Ottawa Centre. In the case of Thunder Bay-Superior North, I don't believe Hyer was a "virtually unknown" candidate. He campaigned on voting against the gun registry, and the people of TB-SN supported him on that issue. Voters "placed their confidence" (to use your words) in Hyer to vote a specific way on the gun registry, which was not the same as most of his caucus.
Can you name one single other issue where Thunder Bay voters think differently from Toronto Danforth? You say there is a "big urban/rural divide". Other than the long-gun registry, name one other issue. You can name two or three, but I'd be interested in hearing any other one of importance, please.
Most of his voters should have known how the NDP planned to vote wrt to the LGR. For one they intended on fixing it. You don't waste a lot of money on something and just scrap it, try fixing it at least once. Second like most things your rep may not always mirror your every view. Sorry I know my NDP MP, or almost any MP didn't represent the overwhelming majority of canadians that didnt want to bomb libya. But its a nice fairy tale that we live in a democracy.
I agree the idea was to try to fix it and if those amendments had gone through I think we all rural/urban could have lived with them. Sadly the HarperCons wanted nothing to do with "fixing" anything - they are intent on destroying anything associated with Liberals. And it's true your rep may not represent your every view; it's totally impossible as no riding is an homogeneious group of people.