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French Presidential Election Results - Sun, May 6, 2012

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abnormal
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

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Wealthy French people are looking to London as a refuge from fresh taxes on high earners pledged by candidates in the country's presidential elections.

The "soak the rich" rhetoric that has punctuated the presidential campaign has prompted a sharp rise in the numbers weighing a move across the Channel, according to London-based wealth managers, lawyers and property agents specialising in French clients.

 

 

 


Sarann
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Perhaps they are all looking around and noting how well the social democracies are doing. 

I wouldn't be too concerned about the rich moving across the channel.  Cameron's austerity budget is causing a double dip recession there.  Taxing the rich can't be too far behind.


NorthReport
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Well that didn't take long. Now let's get on with taxing the rich which would have prevented this mess from happening in the first place. 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-news/eur...

The day after Francois Hollande rode to power in France on a slogan of “change now” the conversation in Europe is already different: Austerity has become a dirty word.


NDPP
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alas not in Canada - nor in Ontario with our Lib-NDP 'screw-the-poor' budget

 

The French Chose a New 'President': Will the Eurocrats Let Him Do Anything? - by Diana Johnstone

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/07/the-french-chose-a-new-president-...

"Will Hollande tell the French that they must continue to sacrifice for the banks? Will this push France into revolution, following its old tradition? Or into 'fascism'?"


NorthReport
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OGG, the sky is falling, the sky is falling - what a ridiculous analogy.

Imagine if everyone thought the same as Coyne would prefer us to do.

I didn't realize the defenders of the capitalist system were so lacking in good arguments to defend their baby. Tongue out

 

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/07/andrew-coyne-frances-vote...


NorthReport
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Oh my gosh, the sky is falling, the sky is falling - what a ridiculous analogy.

Imagine if everyone thought the same way as Coyne would prefer us to do.

I didn't realize the defenders of the capitalist system were so lacking in good arguments to defend their baby. Tongue out

It's not rocket science Andrew, it's quite simple actually - we just want to, for once, tax the rich!

 

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/07/andrew-coyne-frances-vote...


NorthReport
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Looks like Europe might be having a big problem and that problem is Germany, or at least the right-wing Merkel Germany!


quizzical
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from the news tonite its seems to me Germany is tryin to control ALL of Europe.


Ippurigakko
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So Mulcair's dual citizenship in France. I wonder If he and his wife did vote for Franc,ois Hollande (PS) ?


Fidel
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NorthReport wrote:

The alternative to Merkel's austerity is tax the rich so let's get on with it.

Yes the neoliberals tell us there is no alternative. And there are many alternatives. We wouldn't even have to raise taxes in one possible scenario already proven to work here in Canada from 1938 to 1974. Perpetrating TINA fraud only works if an entire country like Canada suffers mass amnesia.


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From One Frenchman To Another: Mulcair Congratulates France's President-Elect on Victory

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/from-one-frenchman-to-another-mu...

If it was the Sun they might have said 'From One Socialist to Another'. In truth of course they'd be wrong in both cases - no matter what the party constitutions still say..


KenS
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That story and headline comes from the Canadian Press, but it could just as well have come from the Sun.

Because that's the frame that the Cons will be sticking Mulcair with: divided loyalties. Really only out for Quebec. Etc.

Much more valuable for attacks than the labeling as a socialist.


NorthReport
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Never mind all this negativity.

 

Duncan has an excellent and uplifting article about the French election results on rabble.ca


KenS
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Bärlüer
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Ippurigakko wrote:

So Mulcair's dual citizenship in France. I wonder If he and his wife did vote for Franc,ois Hollande (PS) ?

I doubt Mulcair voted for Sarkozy (if he did vote), but his wife did run for the UMP...


Wilf Day
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Bärlüer wrote:

Ippurigakko wrote:

So Mulcair's dual citizenship in France. I wonder If he and his wife did vote for Franc,ois Hollande (PS) ?

I doubt Mulcair voted for Sarkozy (if he did vote), but his wife did run for the UMP...

It took me quite a while to find the record of that, because she ran under the surname Mulcair, not Pinhas. Odd.


KenS
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It is probably the name on her passport, and all official French documentation.

I dont know why that would be, but wading through French bureaucracy is fucking nuts. In France there are workarounds everyone knows about. But they dont seem to exist for the insitutions here.


alan smithee
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In Quebec women keep their maiden name..It's probably the same in France.


KenS
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Which does not say beans about what people do to wade through French bureacracy. Mulcair getting his French citizenship, and then a passport, and the 50 documents in between, was no stroll in the park. He, his wife, and his assistant at the time would have spent many numbing hours navigating the process. And maybe the different names was another wrinkle they didnt want to deal with.


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Incoming French President Signals Budget Cuts, Handouts to Banks  -  by Kumeran Ira and Alex Lantier

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/may2012/fran-m09.shtml

"...The anti-working class policies that the incoming Hollande administration is planning constitute a devastating indictment of the bankrupt policies of the petty bourgeois 'left' parties, including Jean-Luc Melenchan's Left Front and the New Anti-Capitalist Party (NPA). Those parties called for a Hollande vote, without any conditions. When Hollande begins to impose social cuts, it is not difficult to foresee that these forces will do everything they can to demobilize working class opposition as they did during Sarkozy's term.

These forces are also complicit in Hollande's continuation of Sarkozy's alignment toward US foreign policy. Hollande supported the war against Libya, and has made clear in press releases that he supports Sarkozy's policy of threatening war with Iran and military intervention in Syria. He has promised not to reverse Sarkozy's decision to integrate France into the NATO command structure.."


NorthReport
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Nicolas Sarkozy prepares to hand over presidency – and judicial immunity

Outgoing French president likely to return to law practice, but could be forced to explain himself over series of scandals

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/11/nicolas-sarkozy-leave-office...


DaveW
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alan smithee wrote:

In Quebec women keep their maiden name..It's probably the same in France.

It is absolutely not the same in France.... completely a Quebec initiative in francophone world

when my wife tries to open any administrative or commercial transaction in France she runs into STOP when the issue of husband and family name comes up... papers, titles, evidence, ID all required to be made official

it is still regarded widely as weird that a married woman does not carry her husband's name, although there have been high profile live-together couples like Hollande and Royale who were not married, hence family name (s) not an issue


NorthReport
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Quite the contrast between Harper's and Hollande's approach as Hollande is reducing France's retirement age to 60, by increasing the taxes on the rich

 

Hollande awaits all-clear in French parliament vote

 

 


Boom Boom
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Hollande lowering the retirement age for some, not all:

 

PARIS (AP) - France's new Socialist government is moving to lower the retirement age from 62 to 60 years old for certain workers, bucking the trend in developed countries in a gesture to unions that critics say is a costly mistake.

Raising France's general retirement age from 60 to 62 years old was a key reform of ex-President Nicolas Sarkozy's tenure, aimed at reducing heavy government debts.

New President Francois Hollande's government presented a draft decree Wednesday reversing the retirement age to 60 for some workers, such as those who enter the workforce at 18 or 19 years old. It says the decree will be finalized later this month and take effect in November.

The government says the costs will be financed by a small rise in payroll charges.

 


DaveW
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First national results here for parliamentary vote, Sunday evening 8pm:

  Socialists and allies - 47 per cent

UMP and various Right- 35 per cent

Front National - 13 per cent

Other, centrists - 3-4 %

 

TV analysts say this may translate into clear majority, 300+ seats -- for Socialist Party behind President Hollande.

 

  In my village, Green candidate looked downcast, don't have local results yet.  

Looks like a trend.... we will see in a week at 2nd round.

 

 


abnormal
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So now we have Greece, followed by Spain and then Italy.  Just how long do we have to wait to find France on the list?


Ken Burch
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It bugs you that the people of Europe are resisting the capitalist demands that they immiserate themselves, doesn't it?

IF those countries did what YOU want them to, they'd be committing to be right-wing for the rest of eternity.  Nothing progressive or humane could ever happen in any country that agreed to Germany's demands.

Why do you even post on this board when you're on the side of the wealthy against the human race?

There's no way you can square support for Germany's austerity demands with any progressive views on any other issue.

 


Wilf Day
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Parliamentary results: (289 for a majority)

Parliamentary left : 333 seats
Including Various PS-left: 300 seats
of which Europe Ecology-Greens: 18 seats
of which Radical Left Party: 12 seats
of which Republican and Citizen Movement: 3 seats
Left Front 13 seats

Modem (centrists): 2 seats

Parliamentary Right : 226 seats

Including Various UMP-right: 207 seats

of which centrist New Alliance Centre: 14 seats

of which valoisien Radical Party: five seats

Front National: 2 seats

15 MPs is the condition for an autonomous group in the Chamber. For the first time in the history of the Fifth Republic, the Left (including the communists) cannot form an official group. For the first time, the ecologists have enough for their own group.

A 3/5ths majority would enable the PS to adopt constitutional reforms (such as granting the right to vote to foreign residents in local elections). That would be 347 seats, which gives Modem a veto on such steps. Modem endorsed Hollande for President, so this may be possible.


Ken Burch
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They could also ask the Left Front for support on a case-by-case basis on constitutional reform. 


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