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Christy Clark Goes After Mulcair on The House

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KenS
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I just heard a short clip on the news.

"The NDP is just against development." Etc.

So this will be sometime after 9:07 local time on CBC Radio The House.

 

As far as Mulcair and the federal NDP goes, we already have a thread on the topic. And now I see that BB has already mentioned this goodie last night. But that succesor thread just started.

I gave this a new thread so people would see it. You can always stream the interview clip. But since that thread just started, we might as well have the discussion here.

Clark's jab is about BC politics of course. Interesting she thinks she can win on this. I think it at least puts into doubt the virtual certainty expressed here that this is a winner for us in BC [and the West in general]. My take: can be, we should make it a winner... but forget about that cakewalk talk.

 

Anyway, we can have a discussion how this plays out in both federal and provincial politics, with the election looming. The SoCreds are well behind the NDP. But then, maybe this is a play to clip the Conservative Party.... sort of like even if it isnt about doing the best thing to WIN the election.... you can at least do one thing right [undermine the Conservatives], and you may do it 'right' enough that it puts you over the top in the election.

On the other hand, maybe it is mostly about the main event direct competetion with the NDP.

Can't say she's playing it safe.


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She is on at 9:10.

And is she ever. "Backward"  "goofy" etc.

"Clean energy." [she doesnt bring it up of course, but from BC, that means fracking gas to LNG plants on the Cost.]

Classic BC strategy of running against the feds. Since Harper is our friend, that means Mulcair and that NDP.... not the BC NDP of course. Seven minutes in and not a word about the BC NDP. Solomon and the national audeince interest is part of that. But obviously, she does not want to mention their names.

"Huge. HUGE economic benefits." [pipelines]

"We have a really rigorous environmental process here." (cough)

"I really applaud the federal government" (for geting out of our way)

 


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I think you can livestream it by picking a radio station in the right time zone. Like Halifax this hour, Toronto next hour, etc.

9:10 to 9:25 in that time zone.

Followed by report of Environmental Commissioner- lack of even reduced GHG reduction targets, continued rise, etc.


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Closing:

"We have to be a coalition to beat the NDP." [on the subject of changing the party name]


flight from kamakura
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haha, can't wait til she's gone.  watch bc will be the only province in the country to turf the incumbents in elections held 2010-2014.


Ippurigakko
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yah, she is the one who most hatred by BC people. She will be lose on her seats and libs collapse in next May 2013.

 


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She'll need a new place to hang out....probably angling for post-election Con federal place, or full-time tar lobbyist.


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Christy will milk the legislative gig until the bitter end and then she will go back to CKNW, probably gunning for Bill Good's job! 


kropotkin1951
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She will be the BC Liberals equivalent of Ujjal or Rita. The HST campaign and the BC Rail coverup killed any chance the Liberals had of recovering under a "populist" leader. She was given the shovel and she continues to dig the hole instead of trying to fill it in.  Her numbers in the polls keep going down.

She is a loose cannon and no one respects her, not even many of the people in her own party.  She was hired by the boys on Howe Street to take out the trash not lead the province. She is correct that a coalition has always been the right's tradition in BC  and as soon as she has expunged the BC Liberal name a new coalition will arise.  They could chose one of two historic names, either the Liberal Conservatives or the Social Credit but likely they will try something new.  In honour of their devotion to being in the Calgary orbit they could emulate the rising star next door and call themselves the Dogwood Party.

 


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contrarianna wrote:

She'll need a new place to hang out....probably angling for post-election Con federal place, or full-time tar lobbyist.

The next Senator? Sealed


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Boom Boom wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

She'll need a new place to hang out....probably angling for post-election Con federal place, or full-time tar lobbyist.

The next Senator? Sealed

I heard that interview - from my Ontario perspective, ie not so familiar with her, she sounded like a shill for the federal conservatives. 


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Sineed wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

She'll need a new place to hang out....probably angling for post-election Con federal place, or full-time tar lobbyist.

The next Senator? Sealed

I heard that interview - from my Ontario perspective, ie not so familiar with her, she sounded like a shill for the federal conservatives. 

She is definitely a shill although in terms of federal politics she in the past was a vocal federal Liberal before she became the leader of the provincial party.  Campbell managed to get both the Liberal and Conservative federal activist working for his coalition. Much of her problem stems from the fact that she sounds insincere to real Conservatives even when she sounds like a Harper booster to the rest of us.

It is not so much that people like her and Gordo are shills for the Conservatives but rather that they are all shills for the oil barons in Calgary and the mining firms from Howe Street.


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Astute observation.

She has brought in Cons to try and offset her failing popularity as another right-wing group led by former Cons MP John Cummins continues to gain support in the polls.

Sineed wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

She'll need a new place to hang out....probably angling for post-election Con federal place, or full-time tar lobbyist.

The next Senator? Sealed

I heard that interview - from my Ontario perspective, ie not so familiar with her, she sounded like a shill for the federal conservatives. 


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Between her repeated nonsensical assertion that Thomas Mulcair was against job creation, and the revelation that she wanted to rename the party, that there's "no connection" between her party and the federal LPC, it sounded as if she was rebranding herself, both by moving to the right, and by adopting a new party name.

I mean, even the most conservative members of my family - and there's an American Republican in the mix - would be silly enough to assert that the NDP is against the creation of jobs. Clark's rhetoric came across as that extreme sort of partisan piffle that relates more to political realities (ie, showing where your loyalties lie) rather than anything relating to reality.


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Ippurigakko
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Christy Clark side of Brad Walls, to support Harper

I heard McGuinty against tar-sands when Redford attacks him?
Is Redford backs Brad as well?

Any provinicial premier favour or oppose it?


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The problem for Clark is that the people of BC know that except for the brief pipeline building period it offers virtually know benefits to BC, yet brings with it all the risks associated with pipeline spills and explosions, as well as the hazards of tanker traffic in a province where tourism is a primary industry based on its pristine image. When even a Con like Barbara Yaffee questions "What's in it for us (BCers)?", you know most BCers are not likely to support this kind of development. Furthermore, this only addresses the economic considerations related to pipeline development. When the firm proposing to twin the pipeline to Vancouver for export of oil admits there will only be 10 to 100 long-term jobs created by the project, people see that the risks associated with damage to Vancouver harbour, as well as the Northern Gate pipeline, far outweigh their meagre benefits. On the other hand, Mulcair's proposed focus on green industry and manufacturing offers BC a much greater potential for long-term job growth than 10 pipelines would.


Fidel
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Even the Saudis and Americans admit now that siphoning oil from a country doesn't create many jobs. The LiberTories have lied to Canadians for decades. It's what they do.


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Oh, I agree, Fidel - Mulcair is the best of the federal bunch, with E. May next. Of all the provincial party leaders, I think Dix is near the top in terms of being progressive, but that's just a guess on my part. I think Charest - because of Plan Nord - pisses me off the most, and McQuinty ain't much better.


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flight from kamakura wrote:

haha, can't wait til she's gone.  watch bc will be the only province in the country to turf the incumbents in elections held 2010-2014.

Pin 2010 the NB Liberals were defeated


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Stockholm wrote:

flight from kamakura wrote:

haha, can't wait til she's gone.  watch bc will be the only province in the country to turf the incumbents in elections held 2010-2014.

Pin 2010 the NB Liberals were defeated

To say nothing else of the very real possibility that Ontario could go before 2014 as well, and it's not looking like Dalton would survive that one.


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seems that there's a consensus that dalton is trying to land a majority so that he can step down and let the ontario liberals run a proper leadership campaign without the worry of a future election.

missed new brunswick, it's true, should have limited my timeframe to manipulate that point a bit, hehe.


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BC and Quebec would be the two provinces where a change of government seems likely, though in Quebec you cannot count Charest out since there is really no acceptable alternative to him. He CAQ party is a joke and the PQ only offers racist xenophobia and the promise of another referendum. If I lived in QC I would vote Parti Vert


Ippurigakko
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how about vote NPDQ? there is should npd bring it back to Quebec, are they merger QS? by Amir Khair?


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QS can no way be associated with any future NPDQ party. The Conservatives and MSM would have a field day.


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I'd support a QNDP, but it has to be the choice of the Quebec NDP section, not imposed by HQ. It may be something the NDP decides to do, but I don't know if it will be done in time for the next provinicial elections. If it is then by 2015 we could end up seeing NDP governments in BC, Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia (hopefully with a new leader), New Brunswick, Manitoba, and Sask, and federally.

Arthur Cramer
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I love how all these Libs say that there is a difference between them and the provincial party. When you ask them for whom they voted in the last Provincial election, they won't tell you. I have a running battle going with a bunch of them over at Huff Post. While they are quick to accuse me of not knowing what I am talking about, you can't get them to tell you whether they voted NDP. I mean, who voted for those guys? Aren't these "Progressive Liberals" always telling us their are more of us on the left then Conservatives. Well, if that is true, how do you explain Campbell and his Libs winning and people in his cabinet like Clark. What a bunch of hypocrites. We really need to go after this in 2015 or they'll get away with this "we are the center" garbage. Bunch of windbags.


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Fidel wrote:

Even the Saudis and Americans admit now that siphoning oil from a country doesn't create many jobs. The LiberTories have lied to Canadians for decades. It's what they do.

The real tragedy in all of this:  the forum for all this lying is being provided by our national broadcaster.  In its absurd pursuit of objectivity, the CBC provides us with a balanced diet of lies, more lies, and statistics.  Who needs it?!

 


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