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Mandatory reading in high school? What did you have to read?

Kaitlin McNabb
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i got to talking with some people about what books we had to read in high-school, and coupled with this point made by cassia, realized not only has CanLit come along way, but why aren't we intergrating it into our school cirriculums?

I read the usuals: To Kill A Mockingbird, Catcher in the Rye, Shakespeare unit, The Great Gatsby, and a few others (I was forced to work alone in the library a lot because i disrupted people all the time. My parents were not surprised.) But, I never read any Canadian authors -- I don't even think any of the high-school classes even read Margret Atwood or Robertson Davis.

What gives?

I would have loved to have read both the 'classic' American authors infused with a smattering of Canadian authors too -- I don't think anyone can argue that Atwood is anything but prolific, but there are so many other great Canadian authors. Did I just go to a crappy high-school (re: in Coquitlam) or were author experiences similar?

What did you read and were you pissed about the lack of Canadian talent?


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Kaitlin McNabb
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And just to add, I remember in high-school, the lack of support/acknowledge for Canadian authors and artists made me feel like success in writing wasn't a tangible goal in Canada and that one would have to go to the states.

High-school cirriculumns are so crappy (we need to teach about residental schools), why do we ignore the actual history and people within the country?

I'll just blame Harper.


Caissa
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I'll try to pull my list from memory (30 years+ ago). Our oldest is now in high school (grade 9) so I'll add some of his reading at the end.

My high school reading: To Kill a Mockingbird, Taming of the Shrew, Lord of the Flies, Richard III, Wuthering Heights, Hamlet, Macbeth. Assorted poetry and short stories that included some Canadian authors ETA: OLd man and the Sea

CanLit class: Who Has Seen the Wind, Mountain and the Valley, The Tin Flute, The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz, The Stone Angel, Lives of Girls and Women, The Edible Woman. There are probably a couple of others that have received into the mists of time. ETA: Two Solitudes

ETA: My high school Physics text used to be my cure for insomnia.

Our son has been able to choose a couple of the novels for which he has done independent projects this year. He has read some short stories including Canadian ones. The two mandatory reads he has had this year are Animal Farm and Twelfth Night.

 

 


Kaitlin McNabb
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hmmm, I like the idea of kids being able to choose what they want to read (especially in high-school for mandatory reading), but I wonder if contemporary CanLit will ever be included?

I know that when I was in high-school, if we would have read an author from that same city (or near, or just tangible) it probably would have inspired me to not only read the books (i read the books), but given me hope and encouragement. 

My high-school did not have a Can Lit class, we did have an Eng Lit class, which was studying mostly Shakespeare in-depth. Though important, not the end-all-be-all. I think what is difficult about getting kids to read and engage is that the novels they are forced to read are dated in language and relateability (also, in taming of the shrew, when she is successfully 'tamed' and that is regarded as awesome, my little feminist 14 year old self died a bit in side. It was barely explained that this was a sign of the times and not acceptable.).

Don't you think integrating modern Canadian literature would have a greater impact on high-school kids, especially since they could engage with the authors/publishers on social media mediums?


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My kids are engaging with authors on social media in a variety of ways - some Canadian and some not.  My youngest just sent a set of drawing via email to Alan Bradley, author of the Flavia de Luce series.  I don't think you really get that through classes regardless of the location of the authors.

And that's the thing about social media - location is less relevant.


Caissa
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Likewise our oldest son was able to interview  Saint John artist Herzl Kashetsky for an assignment last year.


Catchfire
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I've always blamed the unfortunate Who Has Seen the Wind? by W.O. Mitchell as the reason students come to university with a built-in prejudice against Canadian literature. What the hell does a kid growing up in the 401 corridor know about the Prairies? For that matter, what does a kid born in 1995 know about the Praires in WHStW?

I read Davies' Fifth Business in high school and really liked it. So I read the second book in that trilogy, The Manticore, and found it excruciating. That was the end of my RD experience. Thanks for the memories, Bobertson.

I can't remember if we read Atwood in high school, but we did read The Stone Angel. I didn't care for it at the time, but I blame my adolescent boy prejudices.

I remember liking The Chrysalids and Canticle for Leibowitz, so I guess I had a thing for science fiction. Otherwise, Shakespeare was probably my favourite read during high school, which I think, in order, was: Romeo & Juliet, Macbeth and Hamlet. Some classes read Julius Ceasar and King Lear, but not me.

David Chariandy's Soucouyant strikes me as a perfect novel for high school students. Contemporary, tight, short and moving. 


Kaitlin McNabb
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I'm glad I missed out on Who Has Seen the Wind? then -- I don't think that even graced my high-school library's bookshelf.

Oh, All Quiet On the Western Front and Uncle Tom's Cabin -- those were a couple too. I feel I have blocked out a lot of these books because even if the books were interesting (most were, if not all) the assignments that followed up with them were terrible! Just terrible!

your kid's are lucky they got those experiences!

Although, I could have tried to chat with them on ICQ, that was super cool back then.


Caissa
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High school for me was 1978-81. It would be interesting to hear reading lists from Babblers who pre-date me.


Boom Boom
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High school for me was 1964-1968 and it was the tech program so mostly my reading material was on automotive rebuilding and repair, electrical, carpentry, mechanical drafting, and electronics. I dropped out in my final year rather than have to repeat a stupid English course. Can't for the life of me remember what fiction I read other than R. Crumb comix. Laughing


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Hmmm....I'm tryying to remember. I know we read To Kill a Mockingbird, Lord of the Flies, Far from the Madding Crowd. For Shakespeare, we did Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet and Macbeth. 

I recall that we had a fair bit of choice in terms of what we could read for projects, within certain parameters (e.g. a Canadian author or whatever).

I think the reading curriculum (with the exception of Shakespeare) was generally at a lower level than I would have liked to have seen.


Kaitlin McNabb
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it's crazy for me to think that the Canadian high-school cirriculum really hasn't evolved through different decades. My high-school years were recent (00-04) and we read the exact same novels, with very little independent projects (other than my aforementioned library trips).

I'm starting to think either (1) these books are super timeless and take a long time to read (2) my high-school lacked in creativity or (3) govt has given up on improving or changing school cirriculums (or allowing them to..).

Also reading one or two books a year for an english class is a bit ridiculous too, and I am a very slow reader.


Catchfire
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Most high school English teachers I know would love to pick different books. They are constrained by the canonical prejudices of the institution (a slow-moving monster) and, of course, by money. If the school already has fifty copies of The Great Gatsby, why would they buy fifty more of some other novel not on the BBC's "best books" ever list?

It should also be added that university English courses, taught by professors who can both choose whatever books they wish and know all about the uneven, homogenizing pressures of the canon, still overwhelmingly teach the same texts they taught twenty years ago. So this problem is not easily solved.


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Hmmm, when I was entering high school circa 1976 (in Alberta, 3 year program), it was in the immediate aftermath of a mini-panic over abysmally low test scores that students entering the University of Calgary had received the previous year on a basic language skills test/placement exam.

The powers that be at my high school (which was an "experimental" school, based on a modular system rather than the regular model where students are herded from one class to the next) decided to subject all students in the 1976 cohort to the same placement exam. Being a somewhat bookish kitty, I did well on the exam and was given even more freedom in my English studies than other students... I was allowed to enter the "World Literature in Translation" stream within the English Department. I was never required to read anything at all that was originally written in English, not even the token module on Shakespeare that was mandatory for everyone else. [In my final year, I did in fact do the module on Macbeth, but by my own choice, I wanted to see what everyone else had been complaining about.]

What I most remember from my high school "English" work was reading plays by Ionesco and Brecht, and the assignment to read the same novel but in two different translations (Dostoyevsky: The Idiot - I can't remember who the translators were, just that one was British, the other American).

I know I read Atwood's Edible Woman during that period, but I don't recall if it was part of a module I was working on, or if someone recommended it to me (oh, and I loathed it, and pity anyone who ever had it forced on them).

I have real problems with mandatory reading lists... I think the usual result is that those required to read X, Y or Z usually end up hating X, Y and Z... and I suspect the hate is the result of compulsion, not any intrinsic flaw in the work itself. Better to simply require that a certain amount of reading must be done, to be selected from a (hopefully very broad) range of "optional" works.


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I've got a real bone to pick with whoever is in charge of designing curriculum for technical students. Drop the English requirement, it's a waste of time.

I spent my four years in high school in the 1960s rebuilding cars, building and wiring houses, and building oscilloscopes and radios. English by comparsion was just a f***ing drag, it bored me and everyone else in the tech program to tears. The only way we got through those miserable two hours every other day was to have a couple of beers or a joint beforehand.

If profanity had been substituted for English, I would have gotten straight A+s. Smile

ETA: That summer of 1968 or 1969 I decided to enroll in college, and college is where I changed my future entirely - no more technical stuff, instead I enrolled in a Journalism major. The rest is history.


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My high school years were in the 90s (93-98). We read some of the usual fare: To Kill a Mockingbird, Catcher in the Rye, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Lord of the Flies, Animal Farm, 1984, A midsummer Nights Dream, Julius Ceasar, Macbeth, The Taming Of The Shrew, The Tempest.

In general I think the high schools place way too much of an emphasis on Shakespeare. The Only Shakespeare I'd put in the high school curriculum would be Hamlet.

Did not read Romeo & Juliet. This was because I was in the English/PE Leadership course in Grade 10 (the year that all the English classes were supposed to do Romeo & Juliet), and our teacher decided to do Julius Ceasar instead because it had more to do with 'leadership'. Though our grade 11 English class did go see the horridly awful 1996 modern adaptation of Romeo & Juliet, so awful that I boycotted Leonardo Di Caprio movies for the next 15 years and didn't get around to watching Titanic until 2011.

Missed out on reading "The Diary of Anne Frank" in Grade 8 -- half the class got to read it, but they didn't have enough copies for the whole class, so the other half of us had to read a book about some girl in the early 60s who goes blind from a neurodegenerative disease.

We read a little bit of Canadian poetry in Grade 9 by Robert Service -- The Yukon poet who wrote The Cremation Of Sam McGee and The Shooting of Dan McGrew, among many other poems. None of the numerous short stories we read were Canadian.

Took English Lit in Grade 12. We used this thick English Lit textbook that was a survey of English Lit from Beowulf up to the early 20th century. The book was divided into chapters representing the different literary periods in English Lit, with a discussion of the political, social and language developments that affected the literature of each period, followed by examples of the literature of each period. Virtually all the literature selection in the text were poetry. The only thing we read that was not in the textbook was Shakespear's The Tempest.

I also took a Writing 12 class in which we were allowed to do 5000 pages of "directed reading" instead of a 50 page written submission -- what a mistake that was, not being a very fast reader. Barely passed the course. Did read some CanLit in that class though -- Not Wanted on the Voyage by Timothy Findlay, and an entire book of Leonard Cohen's poetry. Other books I recall reading in that class were Sidhartha by Herman Hesse and 100 Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

Was also in French Immersion, so we read some Québecois lit in French classes. Though up until Grade 11 our French reading skills were underdeveloped enough compared to Québecois kids such that they had us reading books intended for kids who are about five years younger than us -- so at age 15 we were reading books intended for 10 year olds. Grade 12 French class was a different matter -- we read L'étranger by Albert Camus.


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Here's what I remember reading in high school:

To Kill a Mockingbird, A Tale of Two Cities, Who Has Seen the Wind?, The Power and the Glory, The Pearl, The Moon is Down

The Taming of the Shrew, Romeo and Juliet, Hamlet, Macbeth, King Lear

Other than WHStW?, the only Cancon I read came by way of my French immersion Lit class, although I can't recall any of their titles.


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I took a Gr.12 advanced english course in 1977, and recall reading Atwood's Surfacing, Margaret Lawrence's Diviners, Orwell's 1984, Shakespeare's Othello and Robert Pirsig's Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. The last had a profound influence on me, though I quickly came to realize that it was lightweight, to say the least. Nevertheless, it led me into much more in-depth reading, developing my own understanding of several branches of philosophy.


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Why aren't we teaching more of these books?

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Never mind the acclaim of Canadian writers abroad and this fall's wealth of literary festivals and big book prizes. There's a shocking disconnect between the international success of Canadian writing and how Canadian literature is viewed in our schools.

For starters, few Canadian books are taught in our schools, and with one or two exceptions, no province has a mandatory course in Canadian literature.

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A second reason is harsh budget cuts to education. Few English departments have the money to buy new texts so they rely on old copies of novels by foreign authors, such as To Kill a Mocking Bird and Lord of the Flies. At many schools, the teacher librarian job has been phased out and replaced with technical staff who understand the Internet. E-books could offer a partial solution but chances are that many of the library staff haven't been exposed to books by Canadian writers.

And here's the third reason: Almost none of our teachers' training colleges make studying Canadian literature compulsory. So unless a teacher has taken a Canadian literature course at university, he or she may go through our school system without ever reading a single book by a Canadian author.

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The fifth reason is that it's up to teachers and school boards to pick books from suggested curriculum choices. And since these choices are merely recommended, Ms. Baird says there is no clear mandate for teachers. So what is taught varies from school to school, and often depends on whether the principal is more interested in funding the football team. And there are certainly many schools and teachers who teach CanLit with great enthusiasm, but it's hit and miss for students to end up in those classrooms. Parents also object to certain books as unsuitable, making it more difficult to get a consensus about teachable texts.


Kaitlin McNabb
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it all makes so much sense, even though I was hoping those weren't the reason (no $, parental involvement, lack of control).

I went to school in Ontario where everyone was pretty good at french, and if not, at least could read it pretty well -- I was always surprised at the complete lack of acknowledgement towards any French- Canadian writers, but I guess that is Ontario?

It just seems that with such a growing community of fantastic Canadian writers combined with teachers, community members, parents and media continually pissed off about school agendas, the govt would make way for change. grr, I guess those jets are expensive.

I just can't help but keep thinking how awesome it would have been in high-school if I were given the opportunity or choice to read not only what i wanted, but local writers -- and for kids to have that opportunity now, and to engage easily with social media, it could be so powerful and such a great point for getting kids engaged. I don't understand why govt/principals/etc haven't figured out yet that the way english is taught isn't all the productive.


Boom Boom
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If there's ever a thread on what I read in college and university, I'm rarin' to go.


Caissa
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Okay. What did you read in college Boom Boom? We can probably survive a little thread drift.


Boom Boom
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I'll get started on my list later today, but it includes more than half the titles in this thread. As I mentioned upthread, I was in tech during high school, and didn't read much other than tech manuals. But after smoking a lot of dope and dropping acid and going to a hell of a lot music concerts, my head got turned around - I dropped my interest in tech completely and applied myself to the applied and social sciences, and, to a lesser degree, to the arts.


Catchfire
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The worst book, by a mile, I ever had to read in University, I read in a graduate seminar: James Fenimore Cooper's The Deerslayer. I am in complete agreement with Mark Twain on Jack "Broken Twig" Coops.


Kaitlin McNabb
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Boom Boom I find it, er, interesting (?) that when you were in technical school or speaking about technical school you say they should take the english requirement away because nobody like it, but when you were in college and discovered more books you feel in love. I know acid makes us love things (!), but don't you think you're a case that supports the idea of keeping reading and books in any form of education?


Boom Boom
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That's an interesting argument, Kaitlin. I'll think on it a bit. One concern I guess I have is that more reading in tech courses might take away the drive to concentrate on tech subjects. Tech courses are very, very difficult, and require deep concentration.


Catchfire
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Unlike English courses? Draw your sword, scoundrel...


Caissa
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Part, fools!
Put up your swords; you know not what you do.


Boom Boom
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Ever read tech manuals, CF?

Catchfire
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You mean like an IKEA instruction booklet? Sure! Tongue out

Don't get me wrong, I know that tech courses are tough. In another life, I took some (I started University in Engineering). But it is my lot in life to defend English against the charge that it's simply designated light reading or something. Take a class with me and see how easy it is!


Kaitlin McNabb
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are you guys fighting with your anatomical swords too?

I will intervene to say that we all know that both English and Tech is difficult -- I have a degree in Psyc (among other things): The ultimate faculty with small person syndrome (it's a reall science too).

Don't you think the best education is a well-rounded education? Though there is lots of tech-related reading in tech school a balance of author reading and assignments + gym +math + art makes for not only a better person (seriously), but a more creative thinker.

Same goes for english people -- Mike you attempt to play soccer right?

I remember in my last year of high school I took every science course imaginable because I thought the only way to be successful was through science (I too wanted to go into engineering!), and then only anatomy/kinesology-related things in first and seond year university and grew super bored with not only the material, but the monotony in the way I learned. Labs, labs, labs -- rote memorization of EVERYTHING.

cutting out english in tech school could make for a drone like existence, just like taking art and PE out of school could.

you can't have english without soccer, right?


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