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Mulcair-led NDP (thread #12)

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Polunatic2
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"Rainbow coalition"? Perhaps Kinsella is colour-blind. Mulcair's western critics are dark blue, light blue and reddish-blue. Why pander to the right-wing western premiers? They will never send votes the NDP's way. Let them discredit themselves as Big Oil shills.

Pandering (not that I'm saying anyone in this thread is saying Mulcair should pander) would be a much bigger mistake (if indeed he has made a "mistake". The more the NDP are attacked by the Cons and the right-wing media, the better they seem to do in the polls even creeping toward phony majority territory. 


janfromthebruce
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I find it interesting in reading the comment section to Topps' article that most support his writing and critque. That's a good beginning point - this is what we are talking about and setting the frame. He who has worked in lived in the West understands the frame and how to set it.


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westerners responding didn't think so. i don't know wth NEP is and am goin to survey friends my age to see if they know. some even work in the oil patch. i'm betting none do. a golden oldie thing?

some of the responders are brain washed beyond belief. taxpayers can bailout corporations and banks but the minute we want some of our own money back in services they scream "socialism". wankers.


JeffWells
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Mulcair says he's putting together an 'extraordinary' team for 2015

 

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"They're already coming to us. The names would surprise you," Mulcair said in an exclusive interview in his Parliament Hill office.

"We've got extraordinary people who are talking to us now, people who share our values, share our goals, but who have never expressed the desire to go into politics."

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He confirmed that prominent Montreal lawyer Julius Grey already has committed to run, and said the prospect of "safe" NDP seats is enticing other prospective politicians.

"That's the type of people — senior businesspeople, well-known names, and people with backgrounds in diplomacy, the highest government level — this is for us new territory and it's exciting."

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"We don't like being lectured to by folks who haven't even been to the oilsands," [James] Moore said. "It smacks of astonishing arrogance and I think the NDP is going to pay for it."

Political analysts aren't so sure, given that the NDP only has 15 seats in the West — a dozen in B.C., where there is a large constituency for anti-oilsands rhetoric, and only a single seat in Alberta-Saskatchewan.

"Last time I checked, there were a lot of voters living east of Winnipeg, many of them with an axe to grind against Harper," said Antonia Maioni, of McGill University's Institute for the Study of Canada.

"Maybe Mulcair's doing the math as he throws his grenades."

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And University of B.C. academic Michael Byers, Mulcair's leadership campaign co-chairman on the West Coast, said the oilsands gambit is a very intentional step early in his mandate to set markers on a key policy issue.

"It's three years before the next election and if you want to change the channel and force a serious discussion on sustainable development, now's the time to do it," said Byers of Mulcair's proposals to toughen enforcement of environmental laws and introduce a cap-and-trade system to put a price on carbon emissions.

"He doesn't want to leave this discussion to the election campaign, as Stephane Dion (the Liberal leader who unsuccessfully pitched a "Green Shift" plan in 2008) had to, or as previous politicians in other countries have had to.

"He wants to have the discussion now."

 

 


KenS
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I could be persuaded that it works as a very long term strategy.

I'm still very skeptical about Dutch Disease / economics as the entry point [taking on the Premeirs obvioulsy wasnt part of the plan, so in many ways it isnt part of the strategic questioning].

But even if it isnt the best entry point, there is a lot to be said for it being the one Mulcair wanted- he is the one that has to make this work and lead the way.

And given a long time, you could be [net] losing on this in the West for a year if need be... and there only has to be an outline of how you are going to turn it around. If it has momentum in the rest of the country- that's a start.

The NDP has had all the elements of a politicaly as well as policy astute climate change package of 5 years. And Jack never really figured out how to crack the whip on it. [People with good memories might remember me noting that periodically.] It wasn't easy- still isn't. And the NDP has more resources and credibility than Jack ever had for putting into play. Still, Jack never even made a start on breaking out of just floating the easy bits and pieces.

I still can't buy taking the most risky way in- and despite what many here have said, with no greater benefits for those greater risks. But here we are.


KenS
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What is the expected time or time ranges for the election in BC?


NorthReport
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We have fixed election dates: Tues, May 14, 2013

http://www.elections.bc.ca/


wage zombie
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I'm really liking what I'm seeing from Mulcair.


NorthReport
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Keep those comments and those letters to the editor coming as people actually do read them. They do make a difference. And I know it's painful but if you can even call into the talk shows as there is always somebody listening.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/18/what-the-is-the-dutch-disease-ex...

Fact is oil makes more profit for corporations, which is why Harper had to cheat to win. he never had a plan for us, only for his business partners. I was apprehensive about Mulcair at first I thought he was a wack job till he explained what he was talking about. now, well He's our last hope to stop this. The Lib's are just as bad as Harper when it comes to this. the only difference they know how to balance a budget. Mulcair and the Ndp haven't had the chance to. I think they should have at least a chance to put up or shut up. couldn't get any worse. Windsor was the first victim because we had Unions to protect us. people thought we were just being greedy and self serving. some have but that's just a small percentage. (no ones perfect) now that they are trying to remove all our rights (Quebec protests) people are starting to wake up to it. Please Everyone Don't listen to the lies anymore! Harper, the Con's, the Lib's. why do you think the Ndp doesn't want to merge, they know! This is much bigger and worse then people realize, and when the people find out at first most won''t believe it. (I didn't) but when they do..............Well!

 


KenS
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So, if Christy Clark had pulled the plug as expected last year, she would have been doing the same thing as Harper: earlier than the fixed date if you feel like it. (?)

If nothing else we get out of fixed dates: governments can obviously get away with going a year early, but with the date fixed no one could survive going 3 months early because there is an advantage in it.


NorthReport
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It was pretty obvious why Harper was letting this creep back into Canada, although this will only help Mulcair and the NDP. Laughing

Screw the CBC though for even thinking of giving this guy an audience - but he just wanted to bash the NDP, and so, of course, that's kosher for them.

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/conrad-black-blasts-mulcair...


NorthReport
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Visions of elections future: a nightmare for the Liberals?

 

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/news/story.html?id=6655870


JeffWells
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A lot of the commentary I'm reading now suggests Mulcair has not only weathered the storm but won the day. Even among those who disagree with the Dutch Disease premise, there's a respect that he's stood up and stood his ground, while sounding like someone who knows what he's talking about. (Unlike the hyperbolic Conservative/Liberal attacks.) These are always attractive traits in a leader. Mulcair's displayed remarkable poise, even when making missteps (the "Harper's messengers" comment), and has shown he's not a Dion or Ignatieff, or anyone Harper has yet faced. The anti-Conservative voters will like this, and even some Conservative voters will respect this. And respect can be translated into support.


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I'm waiting for Harper or one of his cabinet thugs to do something really, really dumb that boosts the NDP higher in the polls.  Another bad misstep from Oda would be nice. Why is she still in cabinet, again???


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There's something to be said to sticking to your guns. Especially when your critics haven't really proven you wrong, and they're just using cheap attacks to distract from your real argument. Mulcair called bullshit on his critics (maybe a little too brazenly), and so people aren't *really* buying that he hates the West. Even in just trying to persevere, he comes off as courageous, strong, and smart. Contrast with Dalton McGuinty.

Not that he's succeeded yet, or even that he's recognizable to the whole of Canada. But I feel cautiously optimistic.


David Young
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Boom Boom wrote:

I'm waiting for Harper or one of his cabinet thugs to do something really, really dumb that boosts the NDP higher in the polls.  Another bad misstep from Oda would be nice. Why is she still in cabinet, again???

Harper is waiting untill the summer recess, when he'll either dump (Oda) or re-assign (MacKay) ministers who haven't performed up to Harper's standards.  That way their successors have all summer to get up to speed on their new portfolios, without the bother of Question Period to show how badly they've been doing their jobs.

We should expect no more than 10 cabinet members dropped or re-assigned.  Anything more than that would be an admission by Harper that those he picked after the 2011 election weren't worthy, and Harper's ego won't ever let something like that happen.

Now, how many Senate vacancies are there???

Wink


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NorthReport wrote:

 

I was apprehensive about Mulcair at first I thought he was a wack job till he explained what he was talking about.

 

You were apprehensive about Mulcair at some point?  You?  Really?  Must have been a very long time ago.


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socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

There's something to be said to sticking to your guns. Especially when your critics haven't really proven you wrong, and they're just using cheap attacks to distract from your real argument. Mulcair called bullshit on his critics (maybe a little too brazenly), and so people aren't *really* buying that he hates the West. Even in just trying to persevere, he comes off as courageous, strong, and smart. Contrast with Dalton McGuinty.

Not that he's succeeded yet, or even that he's recognizable to the whole of Canada. But I feel cautiously optimistic.

Agreed.  Also, I feel it's a good way to frame the argument for having a stronger approach to environmental regulation (IE, rather than merely framing it as a responsibility or burden that must be undertaken to save the planet for future generations, but also pointing out that it now helps the economy as a whole too).  It'll be interesting to see if this is saleable, given that most past efforts by leaders running on environmental platforms fell flat (Dion in particular).

<later edit>  PS, admittedly, Mulcair as yet has not rolled out an actual environmental platform as Dion had.  Rather, from what I've heard, he's simply said the current gov't has not lived up to current regulations regarding resource extraction which has inflated the dollar hurting the manufacturing industry.  Still, this possibly sets the stage for rolling out some new policy toward the environment in the future.


NorthReport
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Now that the noise has died down.

 

Thank Mulcair for vital debate

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Thank+Mulcair+vital+debate/66570...

As an environmental engineer who has been involved in reviewing and approving oilsands projects, and also in developing policy, I know first-hand that oilsands companies should be doing much more to protect and manage the environment.

What we all want is to maximize the oilsands benefits for Albertans and Canadians.

So let's get on with developing the Canadian energy strategy that Premier Redford advocates and ensure the oilsands are developed in an orderly and responsible way.

This will allow the oilsands sector to shed its currently deserved "dirtyoil" reputation.

David Spink, St. Albert


Brachina
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http://sixthestate.net/?p=5022 The right is so threatened by Quebec's reengagement with the rest of Canada that they're become seperatists. Two key elements threaten them the most, the student protests whose influence is spreading beyond Quebec boarders and the NDP lead be Thomas Mulcair who can defeat Harper and put an end to his nightmare. So thier willing to kick Quebec out to cut off the "leftwing infection" before it spreads. Yet they attack Tom on National Unity, how laughable.

JeffWells
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Brachina wrote:
The right is so threatened by Quebec's reengagement with the rest of Canada that they're become seperatists.

Yes. It was the tragedy of election night, IMO. Quebec said yes to Canada and Canada said meh

Harper leading the "No" side will be a wonder of passive aggressiveness. Quebec out of Canada is the Reform Party long-game. 

 


JeffWells
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dupe.


NorthReport
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Rookie Tory MP backtracks on opposition to budget bill

 

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rookie-tory-mp-backtracks-o...

 

The Revelstoke Times Review reported on the meeting, stating that the MP vowed to vote against the budget bill if - a “big if” he stressed - 12 other government MPs vote with him.

“I will stand up and say the Harper government should get rid of Bill C-38,” he was quoted as saying.

The report also quotes the MP saying that he’s hearing a lot of concern about the proposed Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline that would link the Alberta oil sands to the Pacific Coast.

“We're getting it from all sides on Enbridge. I'm not as convinced as some people are that Enbridge will go ahead,” Mr. Wilks is quoted as saying.

The Conservative government is a strong supporter of the Enbridge pipeline proposal and the budget bill contains extensive changes to environmental regulations that would speed up the regulatory approval process for such projects.

According to the news report, the audience at the Tuesday meeting included at least one member of the Occupy Revelstoke group and all of the roughly 30 participants were opposed to the sweeping nature of the budget bill.

In the video of the meeting posted online, the Conservative MP said he and his colleagues are concerned by the lack of internal debate and input that backbenchers have in government policy.

“Certainly it concerns some of us backbenchers [that] the decisions are made predominantly by the cabinet and then they come back to us informing us how this is going to move forward. Some backbenchers, including myself, can go meet with [Finance Minister Jim] Flaherty, or [Natural Resources Minister Joe] Oliver or [Environment Minister Peter] Kent or whomever it may be that you want to meet with, but at the end of the day, in my opinion, they’ve made up their mind and this is how it’s going to move forward and one person is not going to make a difference. One MP is not going to make a difference.”

Also in the video, Mr. Wilks is asked how he can approve a bill that contains so many different measures.

“I think you’ll find a barrage of Conservatives that do hold your concerns, and I am one of them,” he said. “I do believe that some could be separated out.”


Brachina
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NorthReport wrote:

Rookie Tory MP backtracks on opposition to budget bill

 

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rookie-tory-mp-backtracks-o...

 

The Revelstoke Times Review reported on the meeting, stating that the MP vowed to vote against the budget bill if - a “big if” he stressed - 12 other government MPs vote with him.

“I will stand up and say the Harper government should get rid of Bill C-38,” he was quoted as saying.

The report also quotes the MP saying that he’s hearing a lot of concern about the proposed Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline that would link the Alberta oil sands to the Pacific Coast.

“We're getting it from all sides on Enbridge. I'm not as convinced as some people are that Enbridge will go ahead,” Mr. Wilks is quoted as saying.

The Conservative government is a strong supporter of the Enbridge pipeline proposal and the budget bill contains extensive changes to environmental regulations that would speed up the regulatory approval process for such projects.

According to the news report, the audience at the Tuesday meeting included at least one member of the Occupy Revelstoke group and all of the roughly 30 participants were opposed to the sweeping nature of the budget bill.

In the video of the meeting posted online, the Conservative MP said he and his colleagues are concerned by the lack of internal debate and input that backbenchers have in government policy.

“Certainly it concerns some of us backbenchers [that] the decisions are made predominantly by the cabinet and then they come back to us informing us how this is going to move forward. Some backbenchers, including myself, can go meet with [Finance Minister Jim] Flaherty, or [Natural Resources Minister Joe] Oliver or [Environment Minister Peter] Kent or whomever it may be that you want to meet with, but at the end of the day, in my opinion, they’ve made up their mind and this is how it’s going to move forward and one person is not going to make a difference. One MP is not going to make a difference.”

Also in the video, Mr. Wilks is asked how he can approve a bill that contains so many different measures.

“I think you’ll find a barrage of Conservatives that do hold your concerns, and I am one of them,” he said. “I do believe that some could be separated out.”

 

Imagine how fed up and worried about his job this guy must be for him to go public like this, I mean this is no Bruce Hyer who has a history of being a bit of a maverick.

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Have you ever seen rich people volunteer to share their resources? Just not gonna happen, so I wouldn't take the braying of Alberta and Sask leaders too seriously, as their whinning was to be expected. Trudeau did the right thing in the 80s with the NEP, and Mulcair is doing the right thing now. And I tend to agree with JKR that we need to reconsider our political structures in Canada and perhaps, apart from Quebec, eliminate our provincial governments are they are a colossal waste of money and time.

 


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Who is unhappy now?

Criticism by Conservative MP shows depth of unease over omnibus budget bill

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/23/john-ivison-criticism-by-...


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