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http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/28/ndp-making-huge-gains-as-canada-...
NDP 36%
Conservative 32%
Liberal 20%
Best was 61% disagreed that Conrad Black should get his Canadian citizenship back, 21% agreed
I was just going to post the numbers and N54 beat me to it. Just think what NDP numbers would be like if the MSM wasn't doing NDP bashing on a daily basis and money loaded right unthinking tanks weren't putting out bogus memes. That said, perhaps it works for the NDP in a different way.
And the forum poll was big and paid for by the National Post, so any bias in the survey questions didn't work although we don't know what the questions were in how they asked for which party they support. Who knows, maybe it would have been higher.
If You read full story headline
News NDP making huge gains as Canada tilts leftward: pollThis is all a very beautiful news report for a Monday Morning.
Last month I presented the proposition that Harper was so nuts he would not succeed in staying in power until 2015.
We need to be ready to govern.
1) Since then we have had large scale MSM attacks on mulcair and he seems to be staying strong at a plus 10 rating in the forum poll as well as leading the NDP to top spot in the poll
2) The Start of backbencher unrest or prodding beginning to take shape as friction comes to Con MP'S in droves. This will grow as it becomes impossible to drive around their hometown without being hassled bye unhappy citizens and voters
3) Civil UNREST such as in quebec may only be beginning to grow against mean spirited government
4) Harper is really trying to rip up our social contracts between citizens. Most of the public now realiz that the hidden agenda was in fact true. They feel Deceived by his underselling of his plans and lack of consultations. his list of Political adversaries grows bye the day. I see it in my own friends and family
5) Harpers negatives are -26 far below other national leaders. I see this only growing as the unaware portion of the public begins to feel the trend and jump on board
Get Ready as Harper has started this and The Blow Back may be far stronger than he realized. it is going to get interesting.
Change of leader or election before term.
Yes, that Alberta number was higher I believe than the provinces's Conservative support. And I like hearing this from a pollster: “I think this suggests a longterm trend and the Conservatives are at the wrong end of that long-term trend.”
And agreed, there's no hidden agenda anymore. It's out there, and most Canadians hate it and want to be rid of him. IMO, however, it's still a question whether the country can survive until the next election.
I hope les casseroles becomes a country-wide phenomena and keeps up the pressure.
NDP been decrease in West i guess that reason Mulcair aganist Tarsands
NDP 36% (same)
CON 32% (-1)
LIB 20% (-2)
GRN 6% (+4)
BQ 5% (-1)
Atlantic
NDP 51% (+10)
LIB 24% (-3)
CON 22% (-7)
GRN 3% (+1)
Quebec
NDP 40% (-2)
BQ 21% (-2)
CON 18% (+1)
LIB 14% (-2)
GRN 5% (+4)
Ontario
CON 35% (-3)
NDP 34% (+3)
LIB 25% (-3)
GRN 5% (+2)
Prairies
CON 38% (same)
NDP 37% (-3)
LIB 17% (-4)
GRN 7% (+6)
Alberta
CON 61% (+7)
NDP 16% (-8)
LIB 15% (-5)
GRN 6% (+5)
BC
NDP 40% (-4)
CON 31% (-1)
LIB 18% (same)
GRN 10% (+5)
I believe the last Harris-Decima also had a 4-point NDP lead. What I really like about this Forum poll that must make everyone at Sun Media start bouncing off the walls is that even after several weeks of sustained attacks of Mulcair for supposedly "attacking" the west etc...this poll actually shows NDP support as high as ever in BC and in Man/Sask and down just a teeny bit in Alberta. There were some slight NDP drops in those regions that are well within the margin of error and that didn't benefit the Tories at all - they only benefitted the Green party!
Its also interesting that in the poll they ask people how they voted in the last election and crosstabulate that with how people would vote today...interresting that about 25% of people who voted Liberal, BQ or Green in 2011 would now vote NDP while the NDP only loses tiny numbers of people from last time....the Tories must be shitting bricks. What happens if in 2015 the Liberal vote erodes further to 14 or 15% and the NDP picks up another 5% of soft Liberal/NDP switchers and on top of that the BQ tumbles into the mid teens in Quebec and the Greens stay stick at 3% and essentially become a one riding party?
This is good news overall. Alberata, who cares?
The numbers are very encouraging...But for now,they're only numbers...If the trend is true,my faith in Canada may be restored.
Looking forward to the day when these polling numbers start showing the NDP in the 40 per cent range.
Interestingly enough Harper all along has been hoping for a 2-way fight between the Cons and the NDP, assuming of course that would ensure the Cons would stay in office for some time. I guess the message here is be careful what you wish for.
In spite of his present unpopularity though it would be a mistake to write Harper off.
Also a mistake to write the Liberals off.
I know I have said this several times but many here have stated that the Liberals and Conservatives are not that far apart on many things. It would not be much of a transformation to see the Liberal part move to the hands of a more right wing leader and come back as the main challenger to the NDP on the right with the Cons right out of it.
Or the Cons could as you say recover.
The next election is going to be a huge and very difficult fight. This time they will take us seriously-- both the Liberals and the Cons.
It is also possible that in this light the people may decide to go with us. An NDP majority is certainly one outcome that is possible-- indeed more likely I think than a Conservative one.
Yes, but I can wait. I'd rather the party build gradually and consolidate its support than spike too early. (And there's no assurance that Harper will keep to the promise of a fixed eletion date if 2015 looks like a crushing defeat.) For 2012, and the firestorm Mulcair has just traversed, I think this is a good pace and trajectory.
If the Liberals look too weak the cons might want to give them a life preserver. As much as they hate them, they like power more and if the Liberals look like they could fall to much below where they were in the last election that would be unexpected for the Cons who had hoped that the process of Liberal decline and NDP rise would take a lot longer and give them several worry-free elections. As things look now, the process could be complete by 2015 with the Cons facing a fairly united opposition that they cannot win against. I can certainly see them wanting to breathe life into a Liberal party. They might even welcome it being more to the right effectively giving them a dance partner if the next election produces a minority. They will run the risk of potentially losing to that party but it is less of a risk than letting the Liberals decline to new lows allowing the NDP to open a double-digit lead on them.
You can expect that the Cons and Liberals have been thinking about what happens next and the NDP could have some nasty surprises coming.
I agree Jeff but as well there are advantages to positive polling numbers which include better fund-raising opportunities and obtaining committments from strong candidates - Julius Gray being a case in point.
If nothing else, the poll must have been what sent Kinsella over the edge. Again.
http://warrenkinsella.com/2012/05/we-get-letters-3/
You know, it wasn't so long ago that the Libs crowed about how they were Canada's Natural Governing Party and didn't need the NDP.
"[I]diot leader turned his back, categorically, on a partnership with Liberals"
Serioulsy Warren? Seriously?
What a cry baby.
Conveniently forgetful isn't Kinsella, as it was the Liberals who refused to work with the NDP a few years ago to dislodge Harper when they had a chance. Ignatieff has to have been the dumbest political leader the Liberals have had in some time.
The good news is that the brilliant Martinites, who basically dislodged Chretien in a putsch, have had control of the LPC ever since.
The WEST is not a political jurisdiction, not constitutionally or in any other sense. It is merely a Central Canadian term to lump together the Other.
The numbers show the NDP dropping and the Greens rising. So is Mulcair losing support to the Greens because of his tar sands stand?
Like in the free trade debate the only provinces in the country where this poll shows the Conservatives increasing are in Alberta and Quebec. The paramountcy for provincial rights idea plays better in some provinces than others.
If Mulcair is dropping in support to the Greens over the Tar Sands, what does that tell you about the Greens? When are they going to be called out for the Corporatist party that they are?
I'm sort of embarrassed to ask,but who the fuck is this idiot?
He's a back-room, war-room campaigner for Liberals federally and Ontario provincially.
Keep those letters nad emails coming girls and boys, as they are obviously paying off.
funny i find some liberals and cons supporters are usually hate each other and now liberals and dippers are hate each other.
what about cons and dippers?
Latest right-wing tack - the NDP are sort-of, well you know what the buzz-words mean, according to PPW, that's Pathetic Paul Wells. I was wondering how long we would have to wait before this nonsense kicked in.
Welcome to Canada! Home of glorious workers’ revolution!http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/05/28/welcome-to-canada-home-of-glorious-wo...
The NDP make Paul Wells sound like Borat?
If you read the comments, they are full of so called "former New Dems" who voted NDP, but now because of Mulcair, are voting Lib because Mulcair made "stupid comments" about the tar sands. Do these guys really expect us to believe they were ever truly committed New Dems? And how the hell do you equate the NDP and Harper Neo Cons as the same? Pathetic.
I never pay attention to Maclean's..It's a right wing snot rag not even worthy of wiping my ass with.
Forum Research Leadership Poll Today:
Leader / Approval, Change / Net Approval
Mulcair / 41%, No change / + 10
Harper / 33%, Down 1% / - 26
I'm not sure what your issue is with this. I read the column by Paul Wells and i thought it was actually very complementary to Mulcair and to the NDP. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth!