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Student Strike, Social Struggle #11

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Boom Boom
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Wed, May 30 - Casseroles Night in Canada  :applause 
 

  Where:  Across Canada

 

  We're inspired by the Quebec student strike and the popular uprising in Quebec against Law 78 and the Charest government, so ...

On Wednesday, May 30, starting at 8pm, people from coast to coast to coast all over Canada are showing solidarity by banging pots and pans everywhere!

This will be the first of many casseroles nights across Canada. Once Quebec student students stop the tuition hike and Law 78, we're all going to Stop Harper together!      (more)

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Should we have a new thread dedcated to May 30th listing the events? Smile


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Je t’adore Montreal (day 105 of student strike & day 34 of nighttime demos)

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And here’s why I’m having an especially hard time focusing, whether to do my paid work or concentrate on an essay about this exceptional moment that’s far outstripped the government’s emergency law: the city is both “ungovernable,” to repeat Mostafa Henaway’s tweet last night, and also spontaneously self-governing with its feet, bodies, voices, and casseroles. It was difficult to fully take in what was happening last night, as some 50,000 or more (or who can tell, given the multiple demos, big and small, merging and converging, as well as the thousands and perhaps tens of thousands perched all over the city on their balconies, front steps, rooftops, and so on, banging pots or flicking on/off their porch lights or waving red flags. Well, not difficult. Simply beautiful. Overwhelming in the best of ways. I wish I could have taken a photo of nearly each and every one of the tens of thousands, since nearly each and every one was “self-determining” how they wanted to add to the noise. I noticed many posts this morning of proud photos of dented metal objects, made into impromptu street instruments. Last night was this manifestation of imagination–bringing alive the “all power to the imagination” phrase in a new way for me. People appreciated each other’s imaginative ways of making noise–a “simple” pot & ladle wasn’t enough for most! At the same time, that very imagination, that it’s possible to change the world, is bringing people into the streets, and in the streets, people really have the power in a way I’ve never experienced. This happens elsewhere, in my revolutionary imagination, but not in North America. In Greece, say, anarchists have forged a police no-go neighborhood....

https://cbmilstein.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/je-tadore-montreal-day-105-o...


epaulo13
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Boom Boom wrote:

Should we have a new thread dedcated to May 30th listing the events? Smile

..go ahead start one boom boom


epaulo13
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Colourful characters abound at (mostly) peaceful march

Reported on May 27, 2012

If once is a fluke and twice is a coincidence, then three times may be a trend. For the third night in a row, the roving demonstration that wound its way through Montreal was almost entirely peaceful, with few arrests.

In fact, the protest seemed destined to end without a single arrest until late in the night, when Montreal police arrested two people for allegedly hitting a police horse. The SPVM Twitter account reported another arrest was made for armed assault when a motorist allegedly hit a demonstrator with his car.

The detention of a young woman who wore nothing but the running shoes on her feet all night temporarily raised tensions near the back of the march, when bicycle and mounted police pushed through the crowd to get to her around midnight. The woman was then led away from the march by police at Lafontaine Park. Naked, she was one of the most attention-grabbing protesters, drawing a cheering crowd when she posed with the de facto mascot, a man in a panda suit known as Anarchopanda....

http://montreal.openfile.ca/montreal/text/colourful-characters-abound-mo...


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http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/chroniques/michele-ouimet/201205/25/01-452...?

there's a lot of interest in that article, but the part about the referendum is particularly interesting.  on the one hand, it seems that everyone has a pretty strong opinion on the students' movement, on the other hand, it seems that the distribution of this opinion conforms eerily to the distribution of support for sovereignty in various subgroups.  anglophones are monolithically with the government, with the quebec region not far behind, montreal is a divided ground zero, the regions turn out along income and aspirational lines, the ncc/gatineau region votes more like a quebec suburb of ottawa.  and whereas some in the media (chantal hébert, for example) have surmised that the students may have unwittingly put the province on the path to independence, i look at these numbers and read the opposite - that the students may have actually be reinforcing int he minds of quebec region and other voters a wariness for the social project.  i'll have to look more into it.  in quebec, it's a common refrain that it wasn't money or the ethnic vote that won the independence vote for the pro-canada side, it was quebec city and her regions.


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This isn't about seperatism, notice that the PQ hasn't gained this at all. In fact groups like unions from outside Quebec and others have reached out in support. I hope that this movement doesn't get hijack by the seperatist, federalist should be allowed to join in and participate too.


Freedom 55
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Brachina wrote:

federalist should be allowed to join in and participate too.

 

I don't think anyone's suggesting that federalists would ever be unwelcome within the movement. In fact, I'm sure it's quite the opposite.


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epaulo13 wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

Should we have a new thread dedcated to May 30th listing the events? Smile

..go ahead start one boom boom

I was just about going to do just that, but then I saw the Bang your pots thread, and thought it would do well there. Smile

Anyone else see CTV's Question Period today?


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Quebec Students, Government To Resume Talks

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/05/27/quebec-student-p...

"Quebec's university student federation has confirmed negotiations between student leaders and the provinial government will resume Monday afternoon..."

 


KenS
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Brachina wrote:

This isn't about seperatism, notice that the PQ hasn't gained this at all. In fact groups like unions from outside Quebec and others have reached out in support. I hope that this movement doesn't get hijack by the seperatist, federalist should be allowed to join in and participate too.

Same as the thinking about how people view the NDP. As if the world of people thinking about [small p] politics is a non-existant 2 dimensional universe where 'if X, then A' etc.

It isnt about separatism. But that does not mean that the roots of sovereignty and the current movement do not have everything in common. And big surprise if this revivifies aspirations for sovereignty, but the PQ is pretty much uneffected.

The fact that Quebecers of all ages are tired of 'official sovereignty' says nothing about what aspirations they do have. You are making the same mistake as people seeing the May 2011 Orange Wave as a rejection of aspirations for sovereignty. That was definitely a rejection of 'official sovereignty', and a willingness to put everything on the table. Included as going on the table were aspirations for sovereignty; but a rejection of that, no.


6079_Smith_W
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@ epaulo #19

Actually that goes both ways. 

It was interesting to hear the CBC Radio report yesterday that talks were back on, and the student leader quoted said that the government may be willing to compromise. 

In fact, the government has already offered compromise on several things, including a revised tentative agreement.

I guess compromise in this case means caving in completely to their demands.

I'm not making a value judgment here, just pointing out that not all the errors and assumptions go one way.

 


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6079_Smith_W wrote:

@ epaulo #19

Actually that goes both ways. 

It was interesting to hear the CBC Radio report yesterday that talks were back on, and the student leader quoted said that the government may be willing to compromise. 

In fact, the government has already offered compromise on several things, including a revised tentative agreement.

I guess compromise in this case means caving in completely to their demands.

I'm not making a value judgment here, just pointing out that not all the errors and assumptions go one way.

..i believe this needs context. bill 78 changed the goal posts. it forced the students to make choices that are not easy to set aside. the bill, imo, has to go. tuition has to be frozen. then there's all those people who face fines and maybe jail time. and charest is close to losing his job for the disasterous handling of the whole situation. the situation where a limited deal re tuition could be struck has long past.


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i haven't read everything here.  i agree bill 78 has to go, and that tuition be frozen at least.  provinces and everyone ought to get the federal government to increase transfers for universal public services and to create more full-time jobs with good pay.


6079_Smith_W
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@ epaulo

As I said, I wasn't making a value judgment. I am just saying that the way CBC ran that quote implied that Charest has not offered any compromise, and it is not true. 

Again.... unless one has to cave in completely in order to compromise.

I am not trying to defend him, but it is a reporting error that is just as bad as those made about the students' position. 


epaulo13
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smith

..i understand what you're saying. i was trying to point out that the offers by government need to be relevant to the student issues.


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CLAC Montreal: 7 June @ 5 PM:  Disrupt the Grand Prix Opening Cocktail

http://www.clac-montreal.net/en/grandsoir

 


Boom Boom
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CBC Newsworld at noon today had someone talking about Montreal F1 hotel cancellations already.


cco
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Boom Boom: yes, I watched Question Period yesterday, though it's not good for my blood pressure. I very nearly turned off the TV when I saw that their guest for Québec "analysis" was William Johnson. Howard Galganov will be next week, I'm sure... 6079, the idea that Charest has "compromised" relies upon taking the Liberal position that tuition hikes are off the table. The government refuses to negotiate on the actual issues of tuition and Bill 78. It's like the Israeli government offering a "peace plan" that leaves them in control of the West Bank and Gaza, but provides financial aid for Palestinian refugees in camps in Jordan. The "concessions" Charest has offered have been solely targeted at improving its position in the media and the sphere of public opinion.

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Student strike talks: Who's who at the tuition negotiation table?

Talks between the government and student organizations will begin again this afternoon, a little more than a month since the last discussions broke off. The negotiations should last over several days with both parties looking for a way to resolve the crisis.

Here’s a look at the crucial people involved in the negotiations and what’s been said about them in the past.....

http://montreal.openfile.ca/blog/montreal/2012/student-strike-talks-whos...


Bärlüer
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Actually, Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois and Jeanne Reynolds won't be representing the CLASSE at the negotiation table, contrary to what that article says. CLASSE has a negotiation team of 4 persons (although only one will be allowed to be present at any given time).


epaulo13
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..txs bärlüer


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It's a lovely sight this developing social solidarity, especially as compared to the deathlike political coma of the ROC.  Of course if Charest were to settle with the students and withdraw bill 78, it all comes to a grinding halt right? Pity this isn't  a revolutionary movement and prepared to keep going the whole nine yards because they're unlikely to be able to mount this kind of momentum again..


Boom Boom
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Les Casseroles will likely continue in protest of Harper, no? Smile


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I hope you're right Boom Boom but if a settlement is reached it's more likely simply back to business as usual..unless there is a conscious effort and mobilization to broaden and deepen the struggle.


RevolutionPlease
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C'mon ROC, we can do it.

Boom Boom
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The casseroles facebook page suggests to me that something will go on regardless of a settlement with tuition fees, and, also, as many have already indicated, these protests have gone beyond being just about tuition fees.


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Police arrested more than 70 demonstrators last night outside the building where negotiations were taking place. The demonstration was peaceful throughout, but of course illegal. Among those arrested was at least one member of the CLASSE negotiating committee, Philippe Lapointe. Apparently he joined the demo as he left the building, declining an opportunity to go back inside, but preferring to remain outside in solidarity. I'll provide links to stories if and when available.

ETA UPDATE: It was in fact 84 demonstrators who were arrested as well as a second member of the CLASSE negotiating team, Justin Arcand.

Mass arrests


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