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Ford Desecration Pt IV - the march to Detroit continues

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RevolutionPlease
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These guys are trying to play, good cop, bad cop, beware.

Caissa
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Maysie
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For the love of sweet fuck all.

Bring back the death penalty in Canada: Mammoliti

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"I think it is time for us to talk about how we deal with individuals who just don't have any morals at all and just don't care about the majority of society," he said.

Yeah, George, how should we deal with you, I mean, them?


mark_alfred
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Mammoliti's just looking for attention again.


Maysie
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Sweet jumping Moses.

Doug Ford apologizes for using "Polack" to describe Rob Ford's wife.

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Councillor Doug Ford used an anti-Polish slur on Sunday to refer to the wife of his brother, Mayor Rob Ford, then apologized.

Doug Ford made the comment during a discussion of the European soccer championship at the beginning of their weekly NewsTalk 1010 radio show.

"There's always so much action during the Euro Cup in Toronto, because we come from such diverse communities. That's what makes Toronto," Doug Ford said.

"They're so many great teams, I wouldn't want to pick one over the other. I guess (in the) Euro, you go back to the ancestors - boy, we go back quite a ways, but I'm not too sure - is there any WASPy teams on there? We're just Canadian," he said with a laugh. "Anyways - well, you're married to the Polack, so you gotta cheer for the Polish team."

 

 


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RevolutionPlease
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The contract with GFL is expected to save the city $11 million per year, and Ford views the deal as one of his key accomplishments. GFL’s long-term performance will affect both his political fortunes and the fate of his push for more outsourcing.
Isn't this 0.1% of the City's budget? That's what people are voting for?

RevolutionPlease
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His office budget cut was even more pathetic. This is really sad??? Where's the Gravy, ROB?


RevolutionPlease
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Why do folks so begrudge others? Why do we allow the media to create false narratives? What do we do about it?

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Subway fans dream in Scarborough, thanks to province delaying Sheppard East LRT – again.

Opponents of the Sheppard East LRT project greeted the news with delight, with Scarborough-Agincourt Councillor Norm Kelly this week saying it gives subway extension supporters a chance for “one last clash between the forces of good and evil.”

Nice to see Kelly isn't hyperbolizing too much (sarcasm). He shouldn't get his hopes up, though. Unless there is either a pot of gold that McGuinty has stashed away for a Sheppard extension, or there is a credible private-sector case put forward (unlikely, given Ford couldn't pull one out of the hat last time around), a subway remains in the realms of fantasy.

Kelly's over-the-top rhetoric is of a piece with his last contribution to the Sheppard transit debate, though. I (and a few others, I'm guessing) still remember his disgusting little flyer, where he used the deaths on the Edmonton LRT for political gain, and a picture purportedly of Sheppard Avenue East. Except, it wasn't.


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Rob Ford as metaphor: The real culture of entitlement

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The reality is that much of the white, male working and middle-class voted for Ford because they liked what he said and did. They liked his views of gays and women, and they liked his total unwillingness to try to understand the points-of-view of those outside of his narrow reality. They liked that his narrative was simple, claimed to be on the "outside", and was old-fashioned and angry, as that is how they perceive themselves. They liked that he presented himself as a bulwark against modernity and inclusion because these voters do not like modernity and inclusion.

Modernity and inclusion, regardless of class, does not really work out for the group who has historically benefited, no matter what their class, educational or income background, from knowing that they had a predominance socially due to the simple fact that they were born white or male. And this predominance is not ancient history; it still exists.

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On the issues of the rights of women, our policies and histories are different from the US in only incidental ways. And, given our federal government, these become more incidental as you read this article.

Whites generally, and white men more specifically, benefited from this way of doing things, and are largely in denial of the fact that they did. For the entirety of our history, and until very recently, the overwhelming bulk of our business, political, media and even union leaders were male and white, as were those in every industrial or other profession that made a real income. This is a demonstrable and historic fact.

And this was not true due to any effort on their part. It was due to the simple fact that they were white and male. They had to do nothing else to have a greater social status than those who were not. Equality of opportunity, in so far as it existed, existed only within this context. It existed only for white men.

This has, of course, finally begun to change. And nowhere, nominally, more than in Toronto. But these very changes have led whites and men to vote as a block, even when these votes run counter to their own apparent class interests. While it is true that many non-whites and women also voted for Ford, or for Romney or Harper, they did not do so as a block.

White males, of all classes, in both Canada and the United States do increasingly vote as a block. And they vote for reaction. They are the ultimate special interest group. They have a special interest in preserving the centuries of power that they have been granted.

This, if you are wondering, is why the comment pages of the Sun and National Post, as well as the internet at large, are so full of seething white male anger and hate. They see the possibility of eclipse on the horizon, of actually having to fend for themselves on equal footing for the first time in Canadian history, and they are terrified.

That is fundamentally why Rob Ford won, and may yet win again, despite his obvious failure as a mayor.


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I would be interested in seeing the demographic breakdown of voters who voted for Ford.  I always assumed it was mostly white men who voted for him as well, but I was always surprised when I saw person in the street interviews in his old ward (especially around the time he was trying to cut libraries) of the "I voted for him but I didn't think he'd do this" flavour - so many of them were people of colour.  But anecdotes =/= data, so it would have been interesting to see vote breakdowns at the time.  In Rob Ford's old ward, for instance, where he won landslides and where his brother has now won a landslide (72% of the vote), so-called "visible minorities" are actually the majority, according to census data.

I agree with Laxer that white men and middle-class to upper-middle-class whites benefit most from Ford's brand of politics, but I think it's too easy to say his win was due to white men of all classes voting for him, and I also don't buy the argument that white men voted as a bloc.  When we fall into easy stereotypes (not only of how white men vote - and let's not forget, the Toronto left is filled with white men - but also about how people of colour vote, assuming that they don't vote for Ford, when many likely do), then it becomes hard to strategize and reach out to voters that could be wooed away from voting for Ford.


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One of the stereotypes about cities is that whites dominate the suburbs, and visible minorities are "ghettoized" into the core. But as you might know, that doesn't really apply to Toronto. It takes some affluence to be able to live closer to the core. And the burbs are filled with far more working people, not to mention visible minorities: Scarborough, Rexdale, Jane+Finch, to name a few.

So when you hear that Ford did well with the burbs, that would mean that he HAD to do well with visible minorities.

The cynical person would remind you that people don't vote their interest. But what do they vote for? Values. For better or for worse. Voters aren't reading policy platforms (and some candidates don't even have a real policy platform). Voters are looking at a candidate and asking "do they share the same worldview as me?"

Ford had a clear value-based message: "stop the gravy train". When it came time to translate that into policy, Ford pissed a lot of his own voters off: reducing transit service, closing arenas and rec centers, reducing waste management services. But as a statement of values, "stop the gravy train" has appeal beyond race and class. No one hates the idea of wasting money more than people who are struggling to get by. It was a good campaign for a bad policy. (In an alternate reality, it could even be a campaign about corrupt companies, executive bonuses, and taxes on the wealthy.)

And in terms of a clear statement of values, Ford had no competition. Pretty sure Smitherman ran on "well, yeah, Ford is right, and I'll make cuts too, but..."

Ford won't win again. Thank God.


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Big day for Ford on Monday.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cityhallpolitics/article/1291672--rob-fo...

Rob Ford might not be mayor of Toronto by this time next week.

Ford’s fate in a conflict of interest hearing will be revealed at 10 a.m. Monday.

Among the possible scenarios, Justice Charles Hackland could decide Ford has breached the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act and must be removed from office. Hackland also has the option of banning Ford from running in the next election.


mark_alfred
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ctrl190 wrote:

Big day for Ford on Monday.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cityhallpolitics/article/1291672--rob-fo...

Rob Ford might not be mayor of Toronto by this time next week.

Ford’s fate in a conflict of interest hearing will be revealed at 10 a.m. Monday.

Among the possible scenarios, Justice Charles Hackland could decide Ford has breached the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act and must be removed from office. Hackland also has the option of banning Ford from running in the next election.

 

That might be a good thing if he were turfed by Hackland.  But Ford's just a lame-duck figurehead anyway, who really isn't running the show.  It might be better if he were beaten in the next election by Chow or Vaughan or someone, rather than being turfed out by a judge (IE, turfed by the electorate rather than by a judge).


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Well I have to say that if Ford is not sanctioned in some way, this will go to his head and he will con't to act like he is king. Judges have removed trustees in Ontario who breached conflict of interest guidelines but they were small potatoes in comparison to removing the mayor of the biggest city.

However, judges are not suppose to play politics and use "law" to inform their decision, as well as past legal court decisions to inform their present decisions.

Thus he will rule that Ford breached conflict of interest and be sanctioned in some way that is meaningful but not sure if he will be removed from office.

Mark, this mayor is a complete disaster.


Michelle
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I'm going to make a bold prediction right now: nothing is going to happen to Ford.  He'll get a slap on the wrist, scolded, told he's a bad boy, and he will still be mayor on Tuesday.


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Great article in the Star about false populism:

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In part, a vote for the populist politician (Ralph Klein as mayor of Calgary, then premier of Alberta; former wrestler Jesse “The Body” Ventura as governor of Minnesota; Sarah Palin as VP candidate) is a vote against politics itself. Especially in a political arena that is perceived to be dominated by insiders. Those who sit in taverns and complain about city hall finally get a chance to elect one of their own. And suddenly Homer Simpson is mayor.

The central conceit is that Homer will bring to city hall a refreshing honesty and a deep understanding of the average voter, two qualities that are often missing in politics.

Yet the populist rarely delivers either of these qualities. Ford is an insider, and while he may look and sound like the average voter, he shares few of their actual concerns, and none of their economic worries (his family company, DECO Labels and Tags, has estimated annual sales of $100 million).

His honesty is open to debate. When confronted with his drunken actions at a Maple Leaf game in 2006, Ford’s initial response was to emphatically lie (“This is unbelievable, I wasn’t even at the game”), as it was when confronted with his Florida pot bust (“When I say no, I mean never . . . Now I’m getting offended. No means no.”).

Ford pledged to make government more accountable and transparent, though when faced with a complaint from the integrity commissioner about using campaign funds to support a football charity, he responded by trying to eliminate her job.

One of the ironies of populist politician is that he is often a triumph of image over truth, the very thing he was elected to counter.

http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/1291812--the-great-lie-of-th...

 


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Unfortunately, Michelle is probably right: Boss Hogg will likely recieve a tiny slap on the wrist (and even that might be more than we can reasonably hope for), and will still be Mayor come Tuesday morning. It's pretty clear he's lying through his teeth, as Enzo Di Matteo ably maps out in this article -

http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=189858

-but I doubt that's enough to get his fat ass shitcanned, as he so richly deserves. Basic political realities caution otherwise. And while I agree with Mark that there's a certain attraction in prefering to see the rotten bastard repudiated by the voters come next election time, I'm not nearly as confident as many of you seem to be about that being a foregone conclusion. There appears to still be a disturbingly high level of support for Ford out there, no matter how lazy, dishonest, incompetent, or out-and-out crooked or corrupt he's proving to be.

But then, that's the modern day right for you. I used to read the Toronto Sun back when I was a kid, and their politics were pure far right/Tea Party mouth frothing decades before the Tea "Party" even existed. If these people have a Number One rule in life, it can probably be summed up as "Do As I Say, Not As I Do," which really should be enshrined on a plaque above the Sun's editorial offices. It's tribalism, pure and simple; they're not going to turn on Ford, unless he really gets caught red handed in some major league law breaking. And even then, many of them will refuse to abandon him. He may not be re-elected, but he's not liable to be voted out to the crushing, humiliating extent that he deserves. Sadly enough.


Michelle
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WOOOO HOOOO!  I've never been so happy to be wrong!

He's guilty, and he's out!  WOOOOOOOOO!


Michelle
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Don't expect to see him gone too soon, though.  The judge has given the ruling 14 days to take effect, which is lots of time for Ford's lawyers to file an appeal and request that the ruling is stayed until the appeal is heard.  And the judge has not barred him from running again, so even if he loses the appeal, he can run again for re-election.  And unfortunately, it's possible that Toronto will be stupid enough to elect the dumbass again.  So it's not a complete victory, but it's pretty awesome!

WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


Caissa
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Yes, Yes, Yes!!!!!!!


Catchfire
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As a Vancouverite, I am outraged at this miscarriage of justice. Where will I look for my municipal politics comic relief? Where will I look to feel superior?


Mr.Tea
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Wow. This is crazy. Anyone know what happens next? Assuming he is actually removed from office, is a by-election immediately called? Does City Council appoint someone for the remainder of the term (like what happened in Montreal)? Does the deputy mayor take over?


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Michelle wrote:

WOOOO HOOOO!  I've never been so happy to be wrong!

He's guilty, and he's out!  WOOOOOOOOO!

la la la - yeah, the judge could only look at whether Ford was in "conflict", and also past "case law" to make his ruling. Now the 14 days is provide the municipal council to make decisions concerning voting to fill the vacancy through a by election or by appointment.

Incidently, Ford could appeal but he will still be removed and not be able to act in a mayor capacity until the appeal goes through the courts.

It was pretty cut and dry that he was in conflict  - ball is in Ford's court.

 


lagatta
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It is lovely news and warms the cockles of my evil cyclist heart, though I'm sure he will appeal. 

Catchfire, Montréal, Laval, Toronto ... any reason the mayor of Vancouver should be next? (not counting Mascouche, a much smaller place). 

I confess I never read this thread because I thought it was about the decline of the automotive industry in Ontario - a serious issue to be sure, but not one that I had been following closely. (We need an automotive industry to convert it to green public transport production jobs)... 


mark_alfred
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janfromthebruce wrote:

Incidently, Ford could appeal but he will still be removed and not be able to act in a mayor capacity until the appeal goes through the courts.

Really?  A CBC article on this story (quoted below) claims otherwise.

CBC article: Rob Ford ordered removed as Toronto mayor in conflict ruling wrote:

Ford can now apply to stay the judgment. If he is successful, he could remain as mayor until an appeal process is exhausted.

A three-judge panel in Ontario divisional court would hear the appeal if Ford chooses to file it.


Michelle
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Yeah, that's what I was saying - if he appeals, you can be sure he'll also file for an injunction to stay the decision until the appeal is heard.  He may not win that injunction, but on the other hand, he might.  So I wouldn't be expecting to see him carrying bankers boxes out quite yet.


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lagatta wrote:

Catchfire, Montréal, Laval, Toronto ... any reason the mayor of Vancouver should be next? (not counting Mascouche, a much smaller place). 

If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on London mayor Joe Fontana being the next to go...


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