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Latest polling thread - started May 22, 2012

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Boom Boom
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Kinsella is a prick. I don't get why anyone pays him any attention.


jerrym
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Northern - 54 wrote:

NDP 36%

Conservative 32%

Liberal 20%

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/28/ndp-making-huge-gains-as-canada-...

 

To me the key statistic in the article was the following: " Also, 45% of respondents said a low Canadian dollar that supports manufacturing was better for the country than a high dollar bolstered by resource exports, compared to 35% who disagreed."

Even on the most divisive issue raised by Mulcair, he is supported by more people than those who disagree, and other than Alberta, it appears to have little negative effect on preferences for the NDP. On the Prairies we are virtually tied with the CONs 38% NDP 37%. In BC, we are substantially ahead (NDP 41% CONS 31%). So the West is not of one mind with regard to fossil fuels and natural resource exports as porttrayed in the media. Furthermore, this issue seems to be benefitting us in Ontario where we have climbed into a statistical tie [CONS 35% (-3) NDP 34% (+3)], and helped us gain a big lead in Quebec (NDP 40% BQ 21% CONS 18%) and Atlantic Canada (NDP 51% LIB 24% CON 22%). The impact of the EI cutbacks on seasonal workers in Atlantic Canada probably helps account for the 10% increase in vote there for the NDP. 



Sean in Ottawa
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There's that guy mentioned upthread who is clearly trying to get attention. He seems to be trying to "macho up" to be more like prince Trudeau talking about beating people up and all. It's rather sad to see someone become so desperate. Like gawking at an auto wreck. Makes you feel almost guilty to watch. But you can console yourself that he does want watching -- that it is all about the ad revenue. BTW I think he doesn't get that some New Democrats might be sending him letters because they think he is lonely and kinda sad.

I admit I find the garage comment funny though as it is played out in so many places today. Someone even wrote to the National Post criticizing them for stretching out the image to make Mulcair's small house and two car garage look like a large house with a 4-car garage. Stretching out a photo to make Mulcair's house to be bigger is one heck of a mark of their desperation.

Here is the photo the National Post ran-- note what appears to be a pair of double car garage doors:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/28/ndps-nathan-cullen-defends-thoma...

Here is what the house actually look like:

http://goo.gl/maps/1Cyr

Two single car garage doors.

And as for that poor ex-important little man trying to find a story he could next write, maybe he will turn to what "Angry Tom" actually puts in his garage. Most Canadians use their garage to store stuff. Surely someone can let the little man know what most people put in their garages.  I'm betting "Angry Tom" has one wall with boxes-- one for cardboard and paper, another for plastics...

Some people on the other hand might use it to store video games they are not currently playing with. I mean I want that sad little man to know that there is something he could relate to possibly there in that garage. Maybe Mulcair has some memorabilia from the ex-important party he used to belong to although I suspect that it  has already all been recycled or painted orange.


Arthur Cramer
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I know that this is immature, and things could easily change at any time, but in the meantime, I may as well enjoy it. At that website:

Snip says: May 28, 2012 at 12:54 pm

... and you politicos wonder why we the great unwashed masses increasingly don't participate in your charade of democracy. "Step on your throat". Really?

Reply

 

Lol! 

 


alan smithee
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Seems to me that it's the NDP 'stepping on the throats' of people like Kinsella..Not the other way around.

**Reality check**


Arthur Cramer
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Alan, sorry, I don't see it. How about explaining it. He has spent years handing it out. What goes around comes around. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Where Kinsella is concerned, there isn't a more deserving guy.


Brachina
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alan smithee wrote:

Seems to me that it's the NDP 'stepping on the throats' of people like Kinsella..Not the other way around.

**Reality check**

Most New Democrats wouldn't put it that way, but in essence true. If Dalton loses the next election and the liberals end up third, what becomes of Warren's political career? I assume his job at the sun, Sun is safe, its one of the few right wing rags not imploding,unfortunately.

Arthur Cramer
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Brachina:

I am serious, I don't understand what point is being made regarding "stepping on Warren Kinsella's throat". Could you please explain to me the point being made. I don't get it at all. And I will admit, I feel no sympathy for them. They were dismissive of the NDP for generations. Now that the shoe is on the other foot they are lashing out and saying we are to blame for Harper and that the NDP agenda is no differnet from the Harper Tories. What am I missing here?


alan smithee
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Arthur Cramer wrote:

Alan, sorry, I don't see it. How about explaining it. He has spent years handing it out. What goes around comes around. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Where Kinsella is concerned, there isn't a more deserving guy.

I meant it as the NDP is in the driver's seat now..The Liberals are in the trunk...I wouldn't normally use the term 'step on their throats' but I was alluding to Kinsella's comment and the fact that his dear Liberal Party are the ones flat on their backs.


Arthur Cramer
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Alan:

Okay, thanks. I thought you meant I should be apologizing for my feelings. I realize tomorrow is another day, but seeing that post I embedded above really made my day.

I am pretty much certain the irony remains lost on him.


Uncle John
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I suppose it is fair to say Stephane Dion is gettiing his wish come true that the Liberals should be with the Green Party.

I guess he didn't wish that would be in the basement...


Brachina
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Arthur Cramer wrote:

Brachina:

I am serious, I don't understand what point is being made regarding "stepping on Warren Kinsella's throat". Could you please explain to me the point being made. I don't get it at all. And I will admit, I feel no sympathy for them. They were dismissive of the NDP for generations. Now that the shoe is on the other foot they are lashing out and saying we are to blame for Harper and that the NDP agenda is no differnet from the Harper Tories. What am I missing here?

Alan summed it up really well. We're "kicking ass" as it were so Warren's attempts at intimidation are laughable at best. Especially when he was made to look the fool over the garage photo.


mark_alfred
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I checked out threehundredeight.com and it seems that Mulcair discussing Dutch disease has not negatively affected the NDP's polling numbers.  This is quite good given how virulent the main-stream-media has been in their attacks on Mulcair (IE, the Globe, or the CBC with Rex Murphy).


wage zombie
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I find it hilarious that Kinsella thinks Dippers are humourless.  At this point half his readership are dippers looking to get a laugh at his clownish posts.  Funny stuff.

I am waiting to see him challenge Mulcair to a fist fight.

Just keep siding with Harper, Warren, as we point at you and laugh.


howeird beale
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Who's Warren?

wikipedia wrote:

In January 2009, Kinsella was revealed as the head of the Liberal Party's election war room.

A total fuck-up, that's who.


wage zombie
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Stockholm wrote:

I'm not sure what your issue is with this. I read the column by Paul Wells and i thought it was actually very complementary to Mulcair and to the NDP. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth!

Yeah I agree, it's favourable press.


KenS
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All a matter of taste I guess. I find Kinsella entertaining, including when he is dumb.

When Warren worked the backrooms, he would spin anything to get an impression he wanted to convey. It was often pointed at the NDP, since that competition is what he knew best.

He doesnt care any more. Still a Liberal, but now he mostly just says what he thinks. Doesnt hold back on what hurts what is still his party. He seems to know he is in the entertainment business now. I find it entrtaining, and often enough useful on its merits as well.

There is a point to being put off by choruses of people expecting adulation for the leader.


Steve_Shutt
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wage zombie wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

I'm not sure what your issue is with this. I read the column by Paul Wells and i thought it was actually very complementary

to Mulcair and to the NDP. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth!

Yeah I agree, it's favourable press.

Paul Wells turned me on to Arcade Fire about a year before they were getting any airplay so I have a soft spot for him.

 

I also think his principle criticism of Mulcair, not in this blog post but in others, is one that was shared by many of us on this blog -

a fear that he can be a stubborn, vendictive SOB who doesn't suffer fools gladly and finds many as he knows he's smarter than most

everyone around him.

 

In this post, however, he's being very positive in his comments and observations:

 

"Two weeks of disdainful coverage about how Tom Mulcair just doesn't understand how much he's blundering into a powderkeg are

followed by today's National Post poll, featuring the largest NDP margin over other parties that I have seen since things got weird

for a minute in 1988, or maybe the best poll ever for the NDP."

 

Sounds like a fairly accurate description of the last few weeks, IMO.

 

" In the meantime, we're pretty happy here at Maclean's, because last week we decided to write about Mulcair's energy/environment

discourse from the novel perspective that perhaps the NDP leader is not a vandal or an idiot."

 

Sure it's self-promoting, but given that Maclean's chose to offer an opinion counter to the MSM I think they can take a bow.


NorthReport
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Mulcair doesn't care what the Rex Murphys, the Mansbridges, and the rest of the msp say. Thank goodness enough NDP members decided they wanted to form government during the recent leadership race, and the results so far speak for themselves. 

NDP making ‘huge gains’ under Mulcair, says new poll

 

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/05/29/ndp-making-huge-gains-under-mulcair-s...

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As far as Wells is concerned I was referring more to the tile of his article than anything else.


alan smithee
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What's up with Angus Reid?...Right biased,perhaps?


NorthReport
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Here's an interesting article about a typical rich person, and who does not pay taxes by-the-way, admonishing poor people to pay their taxes.

This unfairness, and governments who promote this kind of inequality between the rich and the poor (read the Harper-Cons), I believe is what is driving Mulcair's strong polling results.

 

Christine Lagarde, scourge of tax evaders, pays no tax

IMF boss who caused international outrage when she suggested that Greeks should pay their taxes earns a tax-free salary

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/may/29/christine-lagarde-pays-no...


Ippurigakko
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Angus Reid, Ipsos, Abacus Data and another few pollster are right biased.

 

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Polling Analysis – The left is uniting around the NDP by Kayle Hatt

http://kaylehatt.ca/polling-analysis-the-left-is-uniting-around-the-ndp/


adma
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If you pardon the expression, there's something akin to Rob Ford in 2010 about how the more "over-the-top" and "embarrassing" Mulcair gets, the more support he gets...


Arthur Cramer
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Adma, I know you didn't mean it that way and I don't take it that way either, but Thomas doesn't embarass me at all. Its good to see a NDP leader pushing back hard and giving Canadians a chance to see what sets the NDP apart from the thugs.


Brachina
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adma wrote:

If you pardon the expression, there's something akin to Rob Ford in 2010 about how the more "over-the-top" and "embarrassing" Mulcair gets, the more support he gets...

Are you seriously comparing Tom Mulcair to Rob Ford? 8o I'm Dumbfounded.

janfromthebruce
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Ford provides the "cringe factor" while Mulcair does not.


kropotkin1951
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I'll wait until I see Tom go after Marg Delahunty in anger before I compare him to Ford.


Brachina
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The Warrior Princess vs. The Grizzly, that should be fun :D I get what your saying thier both not afraid to court contervesy, both can be stubborn, but,the diffence is Mulcair is a talented capable social democract while Ford's the opposite. I think the idea that a leader has to be some mushy weak middle man centrist is a myth, you can stand for what you believe in and win, you just have to have the strength to back it up. Not like the cowardly Harper who hides everything in camera.

alan smithee
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'and they can appear to themselves everyday on closed circuit TV to make sure they're still real...it's the only connection they feel'


JeffWells
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adma wrote:

If you pardon the expression, there's something akin to Rob Ford in 2010 about how the more "over-the-top" and "embarrassing" Mulcair gets, the more support he gets...

I get that.

It's a populist appeal beyond ideology. "Ford Nation" included voters who were simply drawn to his "plain talk," and defended him against the pile on by the "media elites."

Mulcair sounds like he knows what he's talking about, and as though he believes it. Those are tremendously attractive and rare qualities in a politician, and not only to those who also understand and believe his argument.

 


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