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I can't imagine Jack Layton being so silent on the issue of the Quebec students. I think he would have stood amongst them and challenged Charest straight out. But Mulcair ain't Layton. He has strengths which we will come to appreciate in due course.
The (token) neutrality has absolutely nothing to do with staying on Charest's good sign, which has practically no value to the NDP in Quebec or Federally, and everything to do with the incredibly delicate tight rope this party is going to have to walk on the issue of Federalism. This is indisputably a provincial issue and a lot of dippers are going to have to get used to the notion that we can't be a Quebec party if our knee jerk reaction is to cast aside the seperation of powers when we decide that we know best.
I too have been impressed with Mulcair's performance, although I'd like to hear a clear statement of support from him for the student protests in Montreal. He and the party, in general, have had little to say, so far.
There will be no such statement. Yes the NDP doesn't have any strong interest in lining up beside a Charest government, but it's all about the PQ right now. Mulcair does not want to help the PQ (which he could well do with a message of support for the students) because a Marois victory could destroy all the momentum the federal NDP has built up. He also does not want to have the public semblance of attacking the PQ, because he can't afford to lose their voters.
I disagree that a PQ win in Quebec would destroy the NDP momentum there. It would create a lot of uncertainty and it would lead us into uncharted terrirory - but its hard to say whether by 2015 having the PQ in power under Marois would help or hurt the NDP federally. I can see a scenario where Marois as Premier HELPS the NDP. For one thing she would probably become very very very unpopular very quickly and typically when you have a toxic PQ provincial government - it tends to make people even more reluctant to want to vote for the the BQ sister party federally. Also, if Marois succeeds in provoking a national unity crisis - Mulcair would quickly emerge as the one and only credible voice for federalism in Quebec. Harper is toxic in Quebec and would be seen as putting fuel on the fire. A lot of Canadians might then see the NDP as the only party capable of uniting the country and defending Canada against Marois and her xenophobic ethnic nationalism.
I really dont think that the reluctance to say anything has to do with provincial jurisdiction. It could be stated as referring to aspirations and other generalities.
I'm not jumping up and down about it, but lets at least admit that the reluctance is simply over association with radicalism.
So who are the Western Premiers going to be listing to: the Western-based Pembina Institute who suggest we do indeed have a strain of "Dutch Disease" involved here, or the right-wing Eastern-based Macdonald Laurier Institute which of course is in denial about any problems whatsoever to do with our tar sands?
Great article Karl and thank you.
Mulcair’s Dutch Disease comment may put the environment back on the front burner
Some business leaders are sharp as a tack. Maybe Mulcair's Western Canada tar sands trip hosts are one of these, and they have already seen the writing on the wall about a change in our federal government coming down the pipes a few years from now.
There are three noteworthy elements to New Democratic Party leader Tom Mulcair’s critique of the oilsands. The first is that he’s right — more or less. The second is that the Western premiers know he’s right.
The third is that, for the NDP, criticizing the Alberta tar sands is good politics.
Mulcair has been savaged by Stephen Harper’s ruling Conservatives — and the premiers of Alberta, Saskatchewan and British Columbia — for suggesting there is a downside to the oilsands.
In fact, Mulcair’s argument is neither new nor odd. He says the high loonie, by making Canadian exports pricier in foreign markets, has hurt Ontario manufacturers. And he says the dollar is high, in large part, because Canada’s booming oil economy has boosted worldwide demand for this country’s currency.
Most analysts would agree on both counts. The real debate is over the degree of hurt.
Mulcair has been attacked for comparing Canada’s situation to that of the Netherlands in the 1970s, when a similar petroleum boom sandbagged that country’s manufacturing exports.
The obvious question is whether Canada is currently suffering some version of this so-called Dutch disease. The answer is a qualified yes.
Bob Rae's pathetic in that WP artical. The Liberals really are being squeezed out, thier desperate or something meaningful to say, but they have nothing.
I can't imagine Jack Layton being so silent on the issue of the Quebec students. I think he would have stood amongst them and challenged Charest straight out. But Mulcair ain't Layton. He has strengths which we will come to appreciate in due course.
The (token) neutrality has absolutely nothing to do with staying on Charest's good sign, which has practically no value to the NDP in Quebec or Federally, and everything to do with the incredibly delicate tight rope this party is going to have to walk on the issue of Federalism. This is indisputably a provincial issue and a lot of dippers are going to have to get used to the notion that we can't be a Quebec party if our knee jerk reaction is to cast aside the seperation of powers when we decide that we know best.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1202578--tim-harper-ndp-leader-tom-mulcair-invades-enemy-territory#.T8VsH0imzus.twitter
BC has a long history of essentially running against the federal government in every election cycle.
There will be no such statement. Yes the NDP doesn't have any strong interest in lining up beside a Charest government, but it's all about the PQ right now. Mulcair does not want to help the PQ (which he could well do with a message of support for the students) because a Marois victory could destroy all the momentum the federal NDP has built up. He also does not want to have the public semblance of attacking the PQ, because he can't afford to lose their voters.
mulcair should can get NPDQ back in Quebec, is it dissolved in recently? how NDPQ back?
I disagree that a PQ win in Quebec would destroy the NDP momentum there. It would create a lot of uncertainty and it would lead us into uncharted terrirory - but its hard to say whether by 2015 having the PQ in power under Marois would help or hurt the NDP federally. I can see a scenario where Marois as Premier HELPS the NDP. For one thing she would probably become very very very unpopular very quickly and typically when you have a toxic PQ provincial government - it tends to make people even more reluctant to want to vote for the the BQ sister party federally. Also, if Marois succeeds in provoking a national unity crisis - Mulcair would quickly emerge as the one and only credible voice for federalism in Quebec. Harper is toxic in Quebec and would be seen as putting fuel on the fire. A lot of Canadians might then see the NDP as the only party capable of uniting the country and defending Canada against Marois and her xenophobic ethnic nationalism.
I really dont think that the reluctance to say anything has to do with provincial jurisdiction. It could be stated as referring to aspirations and other generalities.
I'm not jumping up and down about it, but lets at least admit that the reluctance is simply over association with radicalism.
Joe Oliver is on CBC accusing Mulcair of putting ideology ahead of the oil sands. I'm splitting my sides laughing at this ignoramus.
And then there is this inconvenient truth:
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/new-report-backs-up-mulcairs-cla...
Yeah, Evan Solomon last night on P&P said that report was coming today, and it will be discussed on P&P tonight.
Joe Oliver is trying to blunt it.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/30/was-thomas-mulcair-right-new-report-supports-dutch-disease-claims/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
same article but better headline and fantastic mulcair grin
Yes pictures do say a lot mtm.
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So who are the Western Premiers going to be listing to: the Western-based Pembina Institute who suggest we do indeed have a strain of "Dutch Disease" involved here, or the right-wing Eastern-based Macdonald Laurier Institute which of course is in denial about any problems whatsoever to do with our tar sands?
Great article Karl and thank you.
Mulcair’s Dutch Disease comment may put the environment back on the front burnerhttp://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/karl-nerenberg/2012/05/mulcair’s-dutch...
What in the world is going on at the National Post?
Tories’ CP Rail back-to-work bill plays into NDP’s hands
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/28/john-ivison-tories-back-t...
The National Post published some blatant propaganda today to make up for that...
I thought all the NP published was right-wing propaganda since their inception.
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Tory politics exclusive, not inclusive
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/tory-politics-exclus...
Some business leaders are sharp as a tack. Maybe Mulcair's Western Canada tar sands trip hosts are one of these, and they have already seen the writing on the wall about a change in our federal government coming down the pipes a few years from now.
Con MP from Calgary-Centre steps down.
Brachina
I first heard about it from Don Martin on CTV.
With the Cons losing a Caucus member in Calgary today, I could not think of a better time for Mulcair to be visiting Alberta.
To work for the Premier instead.
Now that some of the noise has died down.
Mulcair’s politically deft oilsands critique is right (sort of)http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1203040--walkom-mulc...
There are three noteworthy elements to New Democratic Party leader Tom Mulcair’s critique of the oilsands. The first is that he’s right — more or less. The second is that the Western premiers know he’s right.
The third is that, for the NDP, criticizing the Alberta tar sands is good politics.
Mulcair has been savaged by Stephen Harper’s ruling Conservatives — and the premiers of Alberta, Saskatchewan and British Columbia — for suggesting there is a downside to the oilsands.
In fact, Mulcair’s argument is neither new nor odd. He says the high loonie, by making Canadian exports pricier in foreign markets, has hurt Ontario manufacturers. And he says the dollar is high, in large part, because Canada’s booming oil economy has boosted worldwide demand for this country’s currency.
Most analysts would agree on both counts. The real debate is over the degree of hurt.
Mulcair has been attacked for comparing Canada’s situation to that of the Netherlands in the 1970s, when a similar petroleum boom sandbagged that country’s manufacturing exports.
The obvious question is whether Canada is currently suffering some version of this so-called Dutch disease. The answer is a qualified yes.
So Redford is snubbing Mulcair for this crap. The least she could have done was to wait one day, as she is going to be there until June 4th.
But she knows the game - money rules!
Alberta Premier Alison Redford to attend private Bilderberg world issues meetinghttp://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/agriculture/alberta-premier-al...
How convenient!
NDP questions plan to merge Fisheries financial services to minister's ridinghttp://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/ndp-questions-plan-to-merge-fish...
Red and orange ridings feel Tories’ EI blues
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1203151--hebert-red-...
CBC poll: Is it appropriate for Mulcair to comment on the oilsands?
'Yes' side is currently at 86%.Is it appropriate for the CBC to run an asinine poll like that?
No side is currently at 100%
And why not?
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/mulcair-confident-of-warm-recept...
That's not what I see, and I just refreshed the page. "Yes" is still at 86%. CBC runs a poll every day.