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Yeah, I was responding to that, but I write slowly.
Apologies for my overly fast typing : )
Haha, no worries.
t'anks kevin. stand by what i wrote up thread. there's nothing good going on for the women at SFU. the lowest difficulty setting are up to their usual privileged BS.
As clarification I use the term frat boy to describe a certain type of right wing asshole that inhabits student politics. They almost all either play on the lowest difficulty setting or they were born with major bonus points in wealth and family power. These guys [there is a female version of these fungi] who become university educated go on to be in the face of anyone or anything the least bit progressive. They make up the majority of the Conservative MP's.
These guys are young fascists in training. They are merely trying out the classic moves. The funding for women is not being cut this budget. But in the next budget if they don't have the money, well it is only fair and just that the two centers get reduced equally.
IMO Here is the King of frat boys.
there's a thread about the "lowest difficulty setting" in life being white hetrosexual men. when their out control egos are checked then them women's is out to get 'em. Absolute power has corrupted 'em absolutely.
Indeed quizzical. I keep forgetting that not everyone has read past threads. Here is a link to the discussion.
http://rabble.ca/babble/anti-racism-news-and-initiatives/straight-white-...
I am late to this (thanks for the tip Catchfire) but the Charlatan, Carleton University's newspaper, just put out an article and the first couple of sentences talk about how men feel uncomfortable talking about certain things like alcoholism, drug addictive and abusive relationships, and then I felt really bad about myself for scoffing at the title.
Agree with quizzical (way back there) that how is this not manipulating the data and how is this centre going to actually provide anything hlepful besides the men v women debate that is happening right now.
I am all for anyone receiving the help they need, but I guess I don't understand why there needs to be a safe space for all men to talk about these issues? Safe space from what? Maybe they should create a centre for FN men as they are disproportionally affected by violence, drug addiction and alocholism or a queer centre for gay/trans men who are affected by violence disproportionally (re:hate crimes) -- but most universities have those, so what is the point of this centre again? Please tell me.
In my discussion with Kaitlin, rabble.ca's new books & blogging intern Theresa tipped us off to the "Boys Club" in University of King's College, Halifax:
No Girls Allowed
Men need a space where they feel free to belch, fart, and scratch themselves without fear of spilling beer or leaving crumbs and snack wrappers on the couch-- especially if they can't afford both beer and the sports channel.
Hi autoworker. Please note that you are in the feminism forum. As for your comment, as a man, I don't think men "need" such a space any more than women need it. I also don't think it that such a space needs to be gendered. Lastly, such a space exists in many places. It's called a "bar."
I don't think autoworker was being serious with that. Still, thanks for the reminder.
This proposal is so goofy that I had to look to see if it was made on April first. It wasn't.
Seems some men want to diminish women's gains by wasting resources to make a parody of them.
My fear is that it is a little longer term than that. it is the equality of cuts that they are looking for. When they attacked the Women's Center in the past there was an outcry. Next time it will be equal opportunity pain. Cuts to a frivolous men's centre being equated to cuts to the Women's Center that actually provides a needed service.
That is a scary but forceful point, kropotkin. If I was a volunteer at the women's centre, I'd be sick right now.
Maybe it is an indication of the success of programs intended to promote equality and sensitivity to social and cultural issues but it is getting to be pretty clear that white males are not really welcome anywhere. Was that the intended effect of all the social action? Is that what "inclusion" means?
dp
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Here, Mr. Story. I fixed it for you:
For example, this forum where it seems to be perfectly acceptable to make disparaging statements based on race and gender as long as you are making those statements about white males.
Hi Telmea Story, please don't post in this thread again. Thanks!
whooph...deep breath...na removed it. no point.
Wow.
Since he is not posting in this thread any more I'll just leave it at that.
But,...
Wow.
I know, It kinna stings when you realize you are a victim of your own conclusions.
I'm a white male alumnus of SFU. The women's centre is pro-women, but it isn't anti-male (or at least it wasn't when I was there, years ago). Actually, I have seen the inside of the women's centre. When I needed to give a seminar presentation on a book only the women's centre library possessed, I was allowed in their space in order to obtain it.So much for lack of welcome for the white male.
One of the more rewarding experiences I had in my time at SFU was my work-study position with the campus radio station where I helped to organize indy music nights at the campus pub. The position helped me meet many of my fellow students from many of the on-campus organizations, including Out on campus, the student society, The Peak newspaper, SFPIRG, the Canadianized Asian club and more.
The men's centre plan seems to me like a cynical ploy to undermine and demonize the women's centre and its mission. It simply strikes me as being created in bad faith. Why is it necessary? Because the women have one; is that it? Should we then have a straight alliance space, just because LGBT people have one now? It's really a shame this is being done, because it really only serves to needlessly antagonize and polarize groups on campus. If some people took the time to meet and get to know some of the individuals involved in some of the on-campus associations, rather than feel threatened and set up knee-jerk counter clubs for which there exists no need, they'd meet some truly wonderful fellow students and have a more enriched university experience.
Great post, Mr. Toast. Thanks for your perspective, and welcome to babble.
BTW. Telmea Story has been banned.
Geez, Catchfire. You never give us a troll to play with.
Telmea Story had been here for nearly a year
And still we never got to play with him.. Sic transit gloria.