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UFO Amnesty: Ex-Army Colonel John Alexander Seeks Amnesty For Military Who Witness UFOs
Ret. Army Colonel says there is no U.S. Government cover-up of UFO's - says UFO disclosure already happening on many levels.
Odds of finding alien life boosted by billions of habitable worlds
Who knows what has come from the galaxy? Who knows what lurks in the sky? Beyond God. Watch those around you. For who knows what today, tonight, or tomorrow will bring. - VO narration from John Carpenter's, "The Thing"
Yeah something like that, BB. Basically I think belief in Alien landings has become akin to a new age religion, where those who may pishaw the idea of GOD have absolutely no compunction ridiculing you for not seeing the "evidence" of aliens among us.
Personally I am agnostic/athiest with regard to EVERYTHING, meaning I agree the possibility exists but without proof I think your full of shit.
Ha! Good one, Boom Boom. So why did Darwin not leave something more behind for his Galapagos hosts to eventually decipher and learn and evolve from? Why did Darwin not try to communicate something profound to the wild life on islands he visited? I mean why bother making such dangerous voyages just to eyeball some turtles and birds, and then leave never to return? It makes no sense for me. Was Darwin just another cold and uncaring zoologist? A jokester who played tricks on birds and lizards, and then abandoned them to figure it all out for themselves some day? I don't think so. I think Darwin's purpose was far more important than that.
And I think that babblers were to consider intervening in some developing world country to introduce them to democracy, beads and trinkets and high technology, I think the consensus would be that it would wrong to do so. In James Cameron's film, Avatar, the main character concluded that there was nothing humans had to offer Na'vis that they needed. Not coca cola nor beer and blue jeans, nothing.
Perhaps advanced civilizations are not predatory imperialists. It could be that technically advanced civilizations possess ethics and morals as advanced as their technology. It could well be.
You must be a fan of Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
I've seen that movie, Slaughterhouse Five. Good one. Sadly I don't know much about Kurt Vonnegut Junior, tho. Surely the bombing of Dresden was a war crime. It must have had a profound effect on him the rest of his life. How could human beings do that to other human beings and vice versa? And just as importantly, will similar atrocities continue happening? It doesn't look good. Carl Sagan, I think, was an optimist compared to some of his colleagues. I think the good news is that even though atomic weaponry is still around, we haven't bombed each other to smithereens yet. That has to count for something. Perhaps mankind will survive technological adolescence and aspire to something far greater than colder warriors are capable of imagining. And the truth is that most people I know are capable of imagining a brighter future than the handful few monopolizing power.
I'd suggest reading some of his work - even though you've seen the movie version of Slaughterhouse Five, the book gives a much larger impression of Vonnegut himself. I used to have all of his books, I sold them all when I couldn't take his cynical, pessimistic world view any longer - but he was brilliant, nevertheless, and funny as hell.
Sounds good, Boom Boom. I will.
Chaos and Meaning: Vonnegut on Free Will Halstead
I'm out of my depth here, but I'd like to think there is free will. Darwin said that randomness is key to evolution, and so surely randomness is universal. And so if the universe evolves randomly, then surely free will exists in spite of or in parallel with deterministic forces. I think therefore I am. And if some elections are rigged, then it must be due to someone imposing a certain amount of will to affect an outcome. And because of scientific developments since the overthrow of Newtonian atomic theory, I believe I am something more than Bertrand Russell's 'accidental collocation of atoms.' Surely we are more than just sacks of neurons abiding by as yet unknown laws of a pre-determined universe. And we know from statistics that NATO countries tend to act against the will of the large majority of their citizens. Why would a relative handful few do so unless by some free will of their own? I believe in neither invisible hands of economic theory nor in predetermined outcomes. That is unless, of course, that all possible outcomes occur in parallel universes. And at which point I would then start believing in Alice and rabbit holes that run deep beneath our feet.
The cat: We're all mad here.
The Hatter: Why is a raven like a writing desk?
You seem to know Darwin well. Of the historical greats, I guess Freud is the one whose writings I am most familiar with, although it's been a while.
I dabble, and I think you are more the expert. Vonnegut eh? Sounds like hard work. I should make an effort, though. I'm trying like hell to catch up with tech developments that I've ignored for too long. I've never been an avid reader, and these issues are only become relevant to me now as I've matured somewhat. Not a lot but somewhat. Wrong side of 21 and noticing mortality tagging along in the rear view mirror.
I was mad with reading when I was younger. Hardly do so nowadays, burned out, maybe.
So you recommend Vonnegut junior. Check. Anyone else? They say that in the future we/they will be uploading books and volume sets to physical memory by machine-human interface at some point. That's what I need. I want to be able to learn a language in the time it takes to fly to where they speak it. And then after I master English language, I could learn a foreign one, too. lol! Or they might learn the history of a country while napping on the way to. Sounds good to me.
I'm very wary of making any recommendations other than Vonnegut. Go where your interest takes you, is all I can say. For me, very early on, it was to Freud....
Vonnegut it is then. Suddenly Vonnegut stands out from the rest. And I will be thinking of this thread when half-way through one of his works.
Without reading through too much of this thread let me just say that hyper dimensional travel probably will not entirely be a physical thing.
Ha! If it was even possible, we are perhaps millions of evolutionary years from achieving that capability. Okay maybe only a few thousand years according to Nikolai Kardashev, Freeman Dyson et al. A few thousand years given an annual economic growth rate of one percent or so. But it's a fantastic thing to ponder. Surely we would be the first in the universe to do it. Okay, ha! We would surely be the first in this dimension to do it. Wouldn't we?
A poem about Chris "wrongway" ColumbusWell fidel I'm talking about mentalistic forms of traveling that are very much real experiences, in terms of physical ships, we have to get off the current scientific paradigm to star getting ducks in order, you could say I tend to be into the new age sort of method. The speed of light if you think about it is a subjective experience, it is not physical or crudely material in anyway, in practice it would mimic the mind and those high level dmt trips, I'm not sure what the formula will be, but it will come down to getting back on a more psychedelic mentalistic track.
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I think special relativity is displaced by only Einstein's General Relativity of 1915. In that case faster than light travel is feasible but only under certain few conditions. It would require the energy of a star and some maneuvering around known laws of thermodynamics, and we are thousands of years away from harnessing the the power of our own sun. Theoretically there can be civilizations with technical capabilities for harnessing not just the energy of their own star but of multiple stars. A type IV? or V? civilization might be capable of hyperdimensional travel from one universe to another. Perhaps the one percent of so far unexplained UFO sightings are Columbian ships from not thousands of light years away but travelers from hyperdimensional space. Perhaps HG Wells is an interdimensional time traveler from a companion universe relatively nearby. Perhaps the act of observing a UFO causes it to collapse into its dual nature wave form. Perhaps they are skipping across hyperdimensional boundaries as thin a few millimetres or as a fish might jump from water to the air above(Michio Kaku). Who knows for sure? Not anyone I know.
Famed Roswell UFO crash involved 2 alien spacecraft, not one, as long believed After 65 years, a new witness has stepped forward claiming that the first flying saucer that landed in the desert was actually shot down by the U.S. military. The second crashed while on a recovery mission, lieutenant colonel says.
I'm not making this stuff up just reporting what I read with my own eyes. Roswell 1947. Did it happen? Why four completely different stories from U.S. Government? Were they crashed saucers as so many eye witnesses and former government officials have stated over the last 65 years?
Journalists who shun UFO reports fail readers
Would lapdog newz media neglect to report the biggest story of the millenium? Since when does lapdog newz media neglect to inform us of the important stuff? It's inconceivable!
9/11 was likely an alien attack designed to get humans killing each other in preparation for the big invasion.
Like Wikersham says, that is a comment line worthy of tabloid news. "The invasion" has already happened with Wall Street bankers having sucked out Obama's brain and are pretty much running the western world into the ground in preparation for the big takeover from Mars. ... Ha! And I bet you'd have no trouble believing the NDP are aliens from Mars. lol!
Meanwhile there have been interesting stories not reported by lapdog newz media while Obama goes down as the president jailing more whistleblowers than all other U.S. prezidents in U.S. history combined. Woof!
I tend to be more interested in what ordinary Americans and Canadians have to say on the matter not their lying-liar governments who couldn't keep their stories straight about Roswell or very much of anything else after 1947.
The real question is easily explained away by so-called skeptics, and that is: How could a government keep a lid on a secret this big?
Where is there any evidence that governments might be able to maintain such a secret, you might ask in your usual bashful manner?