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Even if there are no damages there can still be a finding of slander and then the NDP would get to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to the corporate law firms that support Harper. Pat's initial statement was not sufficiently nuanced enough to keep him our of trouble. I worked on a case for a union that proved slander had been published and they were awarded $1. The judge also ordered that the slanderer pay the full legal bill of the union. That was almost 20 years ago and the bill was well over a hundred grand then. Pat is a big mouthed idiot and his comments may yet cost the parties donors a lot.
As an aside I have no use for the man because he has always been a supporter of Doug McCarron and I have always supported the BC Carpenters Union in its battle against his dictatorial rule.
There is this thing called "Guilt by association"....
It means you were hanging out with someone who was committing a crime....
Look at the rcmp Alberta shootings how they prosecuted those innocent people just because they were associated with Rosco...saying if it wasn't for them Rosco wouldn't of been able to kill mounties...well if it wasn't for the "Political super weapon" and the use of it ..the election fraud wouldn't of been so widespread..whats good for the goose is good for the gander..and this country has deteriated under Harper where crimes are allowed to be committed as long as they serve the Harper regime , so be it.
It'll just be a matter of time before people that are just half as pissed off as I am with weapons take the law into their own hands anyways.
I don't think the government realizes the seriousness of what they done...there is a reason people aren't placing targets on conservative foreheads like the republicans do and firing away ..and that is because they have the power of a vote and anything that threatens that power people will be justified in reacting to it, just like the rest of the world..the only save and grace here is we are among the whimpiest and most cowardly nations on earth...real chicken shits..we actually believe some one will kiss it and make it better.
Oh good God almighty, look at the NDP website. It now features Pat Martin's apology twice on the front page - even though it's dated April 16, and there is at least one more recent release dated April 17.
Can anyone hazard a guess as to what is going on here? If this isn't an agreed item of settlement (which it doesn't seem to be, because they don't have a settlement), is the party really just that worried about the outcome of a lawsuit??
I think the NDP should have the apology printed in ads across the country, over and over until 2015. Something like: We apologize for accusing the Harpers and Rack9 of election rigging and generally corrupting the course of democracy in Canada.
Do I think that prosecution was overzealous because cops were murdered? Yes. But they didn't have tea with him. They gave him a weapon, they drove him back to his place, and they did not warn the police.
Not the same as guilt by association.
His name was James Roszko. Attention to detail please, people.
I'm guessing there is no Boss Hogg or Daisy Duke in Wild Rose County, either?
That show was set in Georgia, right? About as far away from Alberta as one can get on this continent. other than Florida and Mexico.
Vrrroom!
Actuall the Mayerthorpe related incident is in the news today..
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/04/17/edmonton-mayerthorpe-rcmp-hennessey-parole-board.html
"Hennessey and his brother-in-law Dennis Cheesman pleaded guilty to manslaughter for giving Roszko a gun and a ride back to his farm"
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There you go guilty because they supplied the weapon and the means to transport the weapon...doesn't say anywhere they had tea, nor does it show facebook pictures of the weapon or the means to transport it nor the big fat cheque received for providing the service.
Regarding the rack nein ..you have to ask why they aren't sueing the Conservative party of Canada? That's actually one where they would win in spades ..something real fishy going on there...unless they know how criminal the CPC is and are afraid of them.
You've hit the nail on the head there. If they were truly lily-white and pure it would be the Conservatives who destroyed their reputation, not the NDP. But we know they are politically close to the Conservatives, and they don't want to do do anything to harm them politically.
They work for the Conservatives. Suing them would literally be biting the hand that feeds. All the parties including the NDP use various communication businesses founded by supporters. They are all partisan actors, including Rack Nine.
Every single time anyone visits the NDP website, the first thing they see - in large type - is Pat Martin and the party's apology to RackNine.
Harper has survived this flash-in-a-pan crisis, as he has every single other one.
No one - at all - is still puffing themselves up indignantly about "robo-calls". It's yesterday's scandal.
Yet, the stupidity of Pat Martin lives on, on the party's front page. I strongly suspect that the lawsuit settlement included a juicy unpublished cash settlement. Otherwise, how do you explain such self-abasement on the part of the party as a whole?
Mind you, I haven't heard a word from Robo-Mouth in weeks. Does the party finally have a leader that knows how to muzzle this character?
Time will tell.
Its not like "Robo-Mouth" is regularly in the news. But I would think there will be a period of time in which everyone's roles are adjusting, especially the party's own 'see what he turns up' mouth in action.
I didn't know you were THAT dissapointed that there is no cash settlement for you to crow about. It's making you silly.
The explanation of why it is still on the front page.... applying Occam's Razor turns up two:
1.] The NDP is less than dilligent about the site. [though I doubt they are THAT sloppy]
2.] Since there was no settlement, and the NDP decided to go ahead and issue the apology as preventative action [which is the most likely explanation].... then you want to make sure you leave it up there prominent on the site long enough not to leave any opening for accusations it was being soft peddled.
And most people that go the site are more or less normal. So they'll just be puzzled by it.
And actually, Harper has not at all "survived this crisis."
It is part of the accumulating damage of the scandals that are keeping support for the government suppressed... and which will still be out there effecting the brand even in the unlikely event that F-35s, robocalls, and that Oda, all dissapear from sight.
Plus the fact that robocalls will keep coming back. Its not the one shot deal you have always pronounced it to be.
I never once pronounced it a "one-shot deal". Perhaps you can check back and find a reference.
My accusation is somewhat different - that the phony "opposition" parties have been too clueless, stupid, infantile, hyper-partisan, unprincipled, and unconvinced of the intelligence and fighting ability of their own base (ordinary, everyday, insert other debasing adjectives, Canadians) to be able to take down Harper a single notch. My charge is that Harper could outwit and outmanoeuvre them with 99% of his brain cells tied behind his back. The amazing part is that he continues to do so now - when he has a majority and is 3 years away from an election - and doesn't even need to show his prowess. He's just doing it to stay in shape.
My real problem isn't with Muclair or the party generally. It's with progressive people - like those here - who don't beat down the party's doors every day saying, "Flush Pat Martin!" Instead, they defend this asshole, out of a misguided sense of ... I can't even think what it might be.
If the party isn't guided by its supporters and activists, it will continue to be guided by gangs of inept low-paid pseudo-intellectuals who are trying to drive it right past the centre and over to the right. The cowardice over Pat Martin and other cowboys is a prime example.
You are forgetting something.
Pat Martin is only defended against your witless fulminations on him.
And dont go overboard.
I'm only calling you witless on this.
He's a pro-Zionist, pro-Afghan "mission", Québec-bashing attack dog. You may not like my attacks on him, but by what right do you not join in with more brilliantly nuanced attacks of your own?
If the party is incapable of shutting the mouth of someone damaging its interest, out of pure trembling fear that someone might not approve, they're finished.
As to whether pragmatically speaking, Pat Martin can damage the NDP with his loose mouth... I've heard your opinion on that.
I think it is so stretched that I have good reason to think it is almost entirely driven by your dislike of what Pat Martin believes in and tells us all about.
I agree with you on the substance of all those opinions. And Pat Martin is far from that. I'm pretty close to you on those substantive matters.
Last I heard, you are not a member of the NDP. In fact, very far from it being some kind of remote possibility.
As such, why should I care whether you think he belongs in the tent that is the NDP? I'm fine with him being there. He belongs.
Are you lacking in reasons for despising this tent? Needed to have this one affirmed? ...?
Nevermind that Unionist. I think he belongs there too, and not only that, the party has given every indication that they think so as well. In the end, isn't that what really counts?
Right. We're all happy.
A lot of people like that shooting from the hip approach that Pat Martin pulls off, real good...At least when he spouts off people know he is serious..It's unfortunate he mentioned "THE NAME" ..
It's not that Harper is the all so witty one like some believe, it’s the media that creates that...the media can make Harper look like a buffoon clown if they so wish and they can make Pat Martin look like a loud mouth from hell. The media can have us all out with pitch forks and a hangman’s noose if they so chose and believe me if it was an NDP government that fixed an election with fraudulent "Go to the wrong location calls" that has now reached 200 ridings.... what do you think conservatives would be doing right now, if the tables were turned? What would their in the back pocket media be encouraging?
Look what happened when the talk of a coalition happened.the media were out of the gate giving the so called smart guy a platform of seperatist hate and feeding fear down the throats of Canadians...and then they rewarded the main media super star with an senate appointment.look how they rewarded the in/out schemers for pulling off an election fraud utilizing tv media commercials. Giving them an unfair advantage to beat Paul Martins liberals.
The NDP keeping their apology up keeps the story in the news where the media fails. What is Pat apologizing for? Oh yeah the conservative fraud that the country apparently doesn't care about cause the TV told them not too...200 ridings?
New http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zky2bn0Gtyg New
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-QvXax88J8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eQgUpkJ1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns8LD5Q8ecc
It's still there. The NDP's apology to RackNine. What a farce. If they keep this up, people will think Pat Martin is Deputy Leader.
Yes, I saw that yesterday, U. Didn't bother to read it, though.
Next week will be two straight months that the apology by Pat Martin and the NDP continues to receive top billing on the NDP web site's front page - right under the heading, "GET INVOLVED".
Despite this grovelling attempt to minimize damages, RackNine smells blood:
RackNine pursues defamation suit against NDP's Pat Martin
That's the first hint of intelligence in this sordid affair.
Mulcair should publicly disassociate the party from Martin's stupid defamatory comments and hold him solely responsible for the consequences of his actions. Of course, it would be very nice if they kicked him out of the caucus until this matter is settled, but I guess they'd rather just keep apologizing publicly every day for the next few months.
Can you imagine anything worse than NDP donors having to foot the bill (whether RackNine gets its $5 million or less) for Martin's assholery?
Keeping the apology front and center for two months merely enforces the opinion that the apology was sincere and will help to win this now riciulous lawsuit. I believe it was done for this reason. When I first heard that Rack9 rejected the apology I thought, "Yah, what a surprise, they never intended too". That's how CONS work.
Forcing Martin to resign would set an awkward precedent, the next time Mulcair makes a flippant remark. It's not as though the Opposition Leader, himself, is unfamiliar with defamation lawsuits.
9 facts about Pierre Poutine and the robocalls case Someone's looking guilty
And are there any other court cases involving robocalls? Yes, in the USA!
Civil penalty adds to fallout from Maryland robo-call case 1000's of automated calls intended to suppress African-American voter turnout
FYI, people routinely name totally outlandish amounts of money that they are "suing" for and even if they win the case, they never get awarded anywhere near the fantasy number they named. I have seen case where so and so says they are suing someone for millions of dollars for libel and then even if they win the award ends up being court osts plus a token $10,000.