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It appears you have come here with your vision of what those things mean. We believe in those concepts but define them differently. I don't get the impression, at least so far, that you are that interested in learning about what we think and why.
But here is a clue: rights are not absolutes they are relative and conflict often. You have to rank them. One person's right to not be harassed may trump another's right to say what they feel like. You seem to view rights as if they are all in separate bubbles.
I'll give you another clue-- I was a book publisher for 14 years. I believe in freedom of expression and suspect that I have invested in it as much as you have-- and I say that without knowing anything more about you other than your rather simplistic linear grasp of the meaning of rights.
Now this is a feminist forum. If you are truly interested in a discussion about these things we should take it somewhere else as this is a place that assumes rather than debates womens' rights. Ok?
I think if you want to you might be able to learn about people with a different outlook than your own but if you are here just to provoke I suspect you will be gone within hours so I think you may only have a little window to establish your intentions.
If you want you can start a thread elsewhere than this section.
Bye Gerry.
i've phoned and still waiting for a call back. been too busy to follow up. maybe next week after all the Grads and exams are done.
This country is becoming more backwards everyday..I suppose Harper's dream of changing social norms and opinions is becoming reality.
As for this asshole losing his job for his political convictions,if say he was of a political stripe like the student uprising in Quebec,you have to ask yourselves if he'd be at the very least 'muzzled' by his employer.
I can only hope that this degenerate finds himself a target of incessant booing next season..Unfortunately,right wing extermism is becoming quite mainstream in this country so I highly doubt anyone will give a damn.
I think they should trade Donnelly for a snow cone machine. He's so shitty a player that I can't find his stats anywhere.
This is the feminism forum. Stop it.
Rates of abortion have been found to be the same or lower in those places that provide easy and legal access. Restricting access to abortion only increases the number of unsafe abortions that either kill women, or maim them, sometimes destroying their reproductive potential. So if the anti-choice people really want to reduce the number of abortions, they should fight against restrictive abortion legislation everywhere.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(11)61786-8/fulltext
From "Induced abortion: incidence and trends worldwide from 1995 to 2008 (The Lancet 18 Feb 2012 pp. 625-32):"
Edited to add: I can't seem to make the link work. If you cut and paste the whole text of the line ending in "fulltext" into your browser, you can see the abstract of this article.
Yes keep in mind everyone that this is a feminism forum!
Thanks Sineed.
Here's your link.
I also don't believe that he should be fired for political activism even though I disagree with it. That opens the door to people on both sides of the political spectrum being fired from their jobs for political activism, and you can bet that it would backfire on our allies as well as our enemies. Unfortunately, I think my left-wing viewpoints are seen as just as extreme by the mainstream as this guy's right-wing viewpoints are.
And I also don't think that because one guy who happens to be an anthem-singer for a hockey team is also an anti-choice activist, that it means "Hockey = anti-human rights", any more than I would assume that if some anthem-singer decided to volunteer to escort women into abortion clinics that it would mean "Hockey = feminism".
And I'm a female feminist.
Sure, give the guy a hard time - he's putting himself out there in public with his political views and should be denounced thoroughly by feminists. But I certainly don't lay his political viewpoints at the feet of "hockey", and I share milo's discomfort with campaigning to get someone fired for their political activism.
NHL stars working to rid hockey of homophobia
Considering that this story I linked to above involves more than 30 hockey players speaking out against homophobia, supported by and organized by officials within the NHL, does that prove that actually Hockey = pro-human rights?
My answer would actually be, no, no more than the story in the beginning of the thread proves that Hockey = anti-human rights.
There is a lot of racism, sexism, and homophobia within hockey, as within greater society. I don't assume that hockey as a whole is promoting anti-choice values because one moron who sings before the games for one of the teams has decided this is his pet political project on the side. Especially when the hockey team itself has publicly distanced themselves from his political viewpoints.
quick question:
would you feel the same way if he was out there advocating homosexuality needed to criminalized or slavery legalized with a convoy filled with graphic pictures of how horrible homosexuality is or how wonderful slavery could be?
yup the same as if he was proclaiming prochoice or equals rights for all
huh?
Here's a working link to your abstract:
http://goo.gl/E7ZjW
Thanks, Michelle. I agree.
For those in the Ottawa area: MANIF PRO-CHOIX - PRO-CHOICE DEMO RESPONDING TO THE ANTI-ABORTION CARAVAN!!!