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there's this really weird media fixation on trudeau that belies how incredibly unqualified this guy is to be pm and how deeply unpopular it seems that he is. like, i can't think of a more unpopular plc leader choice in quebec, aside from a unilingual anglophone like gerard kennedy. he just seems goofy. i say let these idiots elect the clown, the perfect move to finish the party off.
In the Huff Post he's quoted as saying that he is now thinking about running. He's running for sure. People are posting comments like "for the good of the country, please run". Trudeaumania. He's running and he'll be elected leader. Mark my words. I don't know what that'll actually meanm, but I am convinced this guy things he has some kind of messianic duty.
I still think Amanda Lang would be the ideal leader for the LPC. She'd be able to get those fiscally conservative/socially progressive Lib/Con swing voters to vote Liberal instead of Conservative, while giving the NDP the best opportunity to win the votes of moderate centre-left Lib/NDP swing voters.
Trudeau would probably be as wise a choice as Iggy or Dion, sadly. Maybe best for all would be a merger and then let Mulcair run the new party, he seems to be doing well so far.
I was wrong about Rae. I thought for sure he'd be the next leader.
I suspect that the Liberal braintrust is tired of having leaders that don't listen to advice and instead follow their own misguided directions. They're also likely tired of leaders who aren't good with the media. So Trudeau will be chosen, since he's saleable. He's good with the soundbites, and he'll be a good marionette for the Liberal backroom organizers.
Denis Coderre said last August "I think that it would be a valid discussion to continue what Mr. Chrétien, Mr. Broadbent and Mr. Romanow did in the past."
Other than Trudeau, only a handful are considering a leadership bid: Montreal MP and former astronaut Marc Garneau, Ottawa MP David McGuinty, Montreal MP Denis Coderre, Vancouver MP Joyce Murray and New Brunswick MP Dominic LeBlanc.
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Outside of caucus, a host of defeated MPs and failed candidates are testing the waters, including Gerard Kennedy, Martha Hall Findlay, Mark Holland, Borys Wrzesnewskyj, Martin Cauchon, Taleeb Noormohamed, David Bertschi and Deborah Coyne.
Of all the candidates in a weak field, Joyce Murray is the weakest. She was a provincial Liberal MLA in New Westminster so loathed after one term she was easily she turned a 18% vote victory in 2001 into a 14% vote defeat in 2005. She supported every provincial cut with extreme enthusiasm. The wealthy Vancouver Quadra riding suits her conservative outlook. Fortunately she has the personality of a wet noodle and will go nowhere in the leadership campaign if she decides to run.
Apparently many of the right-leaning Martinite hack organizers are getting behind a leadership bid by some Bay St. Lawyer named George Takach. Prepare for "Takach-mania"!
I can't remember where I heard, but I think somebody said that the leadership race itself wasn't starting until October. So that's plenty of time for him to make up his mind. I suspect it's his for the taking if he wants it.
Apparently many of the right-leaning Martinite hack organizers are getting behind a leadership bid by some Bay St. Lawyer named George Takach. Prepare for "Takach-mania"!
He joined Facebook Jan. 22, and looks to have begun his leadership campaign around April 15.
If they adhere to their tradition, then it's a French-Canadian's turn as leader. LeBlanc presents an interesting possibility, by fitting that bill, and being outside Quebec. I think he would enjoy considerable support in francophone communities in regions that were once Liberal strongholds. Also, there is much support for bilingualism among non-francophones in those regions. Being of the same generation as Trudeau, LeBlanc's bid may force Trudeau's hand.
Apparently many of the right-leaning Martinite hack organizers are getting behind a leadership bid by some Bay St. Lawyer named George Takach. Prepare for "Takach-mania"!
Takach sounds ideal.
George brings significant value to clients in their tech company M&A/financing deals, their sophisticated tech licensing, IT procurement and other tech commercial transactions, and their more challenging e-commerce activities.
http://www.mccarthy.ca/lawyer_detail.aspx?id=1688
A real "man of the people."
Trudeau was on Tout le monde en parle a few months back saying in no uncertain terms that he wanted to be there for his family and would not have enough time if he were a party leader.
He's an interesting man. I have heard talk (including a first-hand account) about details of his personal life that a lot of people know but tacitly don't talk about. Nothing I have a problem with myself - but if he were party leader it would invite a lot of scrutiny that he may not want or be ready for.
Apparently many of the right-leaning Martinite hack organizers are getting behind a leadership bid by some Bay St. Lawyer named George Takach. Prepare for "Takach-mania"!
Takach sounds ideal. George brings significant value to clients in their tech company M&A/financing deals, their sophisticated tech licensing, IT procurement and other tech commercial transactions, and their more challenging e-commerce activities. http://www.mccarthy.ca/lawyer_detail.aspx?id=1688 A real "man of the people."
But can he maximize value added benefits for the Liberal Party? Can he leverage his procurement skills to forge a lasting connecting with electoral shareholders? If he can accomplish these goals within the time frame set for the next IPO offering, approximately eight quarters after the Liberal leadership warps up, which should be in the first fiscal quarter of 2015, then its possible he could grow the Liberal Party share of the electorate by the requisite 100% needed to elect a Liberal CEO of Canada.
I would think their best choice would be Dalton McGuinty but the Liberal party seems so far from power, I`m not sure he'd want to do it. Same with other Liberals premiers or former premiers (Ghiz, McKenna, etc.)
I wouldn't be surprised to see former Ontario cabinet minister and failed candidate for Toronto mayor make a run. He's got the ego and the bug to get back. He's close to Trudeau though.
I have a certain, very specific, reaction to endless speculation about any individual being touted for a leadership position when it is based largely on the basis of the cachet attached to their surname. Be it Trudeau, Kennedy, Manning, Bush or Lewis, the reaction is pretty similar. It isn't a terribly positive reaction though.
I would think their best choice would be Dalton McGuinty but the Liberal party seems so far from power, I`m not sure he'd want to do it. Same with other Liberals premiers or former premiers (Ghiz, McKenna, etc.)
The Ontario LIberals have such a tenuous grasp on their pseudo majority that I don't think Dalton McGuinty can resign the leadership and his seat. The situation with the Ontario govt. would change too rapidly and the Liberals would likely lose power.
I have a certain, very specific, reaction to endless speculation about any individual being touted for a leadership position when it is based largely on the basis of the cachet attached to their surname.
You're right. This Liberal MP didn't have the right surname cachet - and look what happened to him!
Is this an appropriate time to mention that the correct spelling of 11 character surnames is easier to remember if you chant them out using the Mickey Mouse club jingle?
I've never heard anything out of Trudeau's mouth that indicates he's got a vision for the country.
He sounds nice, but not strong enough to run a country or take on Harper.
Can anyone point to anything that make make me change my mind?
there's this really weird media fixation on trudeau that belies how incredibly unqualified this guy is to be pm and how deeply unpopular it seems that he is. like, i can't think of a more unpopular plc leader choice in quebec, aside from a unilingual anglophone like gerard kennedy. he just seems goofy. i say let these idiots elect the clown, the perfect move to finish the party off.
In the Huff Post he's quoted as saying that he is now thinking about running. He's running for sure. People are posting comments like "for the good of the country, please run". Trudeaumania. He's running and he'll be elected leader. Mark my words. I don't know what that'll actually meanm, but I am convinced this guy things he has some kind of messianic duty.
I still think Amanda Lang would be the ideal leader for the LPC. She'd be able to get those fiscally conservative/socially progressive Lib/Con swing voters to vote Liberal instead of Conservative, while giving the NDP the best opportunity to win the votes of moderate centre-left Lib/NDP swing voters.
Trudeau seems too flaky. If I were a Liberal I'd probably be rooting for Wayne Gretzky to join the race.
Does Gretzky actually support the Liberals? Wouldn't he be more likely to support the Conservatives?
Trudeau would probably be as wise a choice as Iggy or Dion, sadly. Maybe best for all would be a merger and then let Mulcair run the new party, he seems to be doing well so far.
Since I'd thought Dion's leadership victory was the worst possible outcome for the NDP, I'm going to reserve judgement.
I was wrong about Rae. I thought for sure he'd be the next leader.
I suspect that the Liberal braintrust is tired of having leaders that don't listen to advice and instead follow their own misguided directions. They're also likely tired of leaders who aren't good with the media. So Trudeau will be chosen, since he's saleable. He's good with the soundbites, and he'll be a good marionette for the Liberal backroom organizers.
Whoever takes the Liberal leadership will likely hold the party's diminishing fort until attrition leads to a merger with the NDP.
Denis Coderre said last August "I think that it would be a valid discussion to continue what Mr. Chrétien, Mr. Broadbent and Mr. Romanow did in the past."
Other than Trudeau, only a handful are considering a leadership bid: Montreal MP and former astronaut Marc Garneau, Ottawa MP David McGuinty, Montreal MP Denis Coderre, Vancouver MP Joyce Murray and New Brunswick MP Dominic LeBlanc.
LeBlanc gave the strongest signal of his intent to run, saying he did it in 2009, so why not do it again?
As for Dion, he's only 56. Don't rule him out.
Of all the candidates in a weak field, Joyce Murray is the weakest. She was a provincial Liberal MLA in New Westminster so loathed after one term she was easily she turned a 18% vote victory in 2001 into a 14% vote defeat in 2005. She supported every provincial cut with extreme enthusiasm. The wealthy Vancouver Quadra riding suits her conservative outlook. Fortunately she has the personality of a wet noodle and will go nowhere in the leadership campaign if she decides to run.
Apparently many of the right-leaning Martinite hack organizers are getting behind a leadership bid by some Bay St. Lawyer named George Takach. Prepare for "Takach-mania"!
I can't remember where I heard, but I think somebody said that the leadership race itself wasn't starting until October. So that's plenty of time for him to make up his mind. I suspect it's his for the taking if he wants it.
He joined Facebook Jan. 22, and looks to have begun his leadership campaign around April 15.
If they adhere to their tradition, then it's a French-Canadian's turn as leader. LeBlanc presents an interesting possibility, by fitting that bill, and being outside Quebec. I think he would enjoy considerable support in francophone communities in regions that were once Liberal strongholds. Also, there is much support for bilingualism among non-francophones in those regions. Being of the same generation as Trudeau, LeBlanc's bid may force Trudeau's hand.
Ironically, the fact Trudeau seems to understand he isn't ready to be leader is the best argument for his leadership skills.
The two are best friends, and have an implicit agreement that if one decides to run for leadership, the other one won't.
Wasn't that supposed to be the story between Bob Rae and Michael Ignatieff once upon a time?
Trudeau was on Tout le monde en parle a few months back saying in no uncertain terms that he wanted to be there for his family and would not have enough time if he were a party leader.
He's an interesting man. I have heard talk (including a first-hand account) about details of his personal life that a lot of people know but tacitly don't talk about. Nothing I have a problem with myself - but if he were party leader it would invite a lot of scrutiny that he may not want or be ready for.
Yeah, I've posted several times that Trudeau wants to spend more time with his family.
Q: How well known is LeBlanc? I assume Atlantic Canada is familiar with him, but what about out west and further north?
But can he maximize value added benefits for the Liberal Party? Can he leverage his procurement skills to forge a lasting connecting with electoral shareholders? If he can accomplish these goals within the time frame set for the next IPO offering, approximately eight quarters after the Liberal leadership warps up, which should be in the first fiscal quarter of 2015, then its possible he could grow the Liberal Party share of the electorate by the requisite 100% needed to elect a Liberal CEO of Canada.
I would think their best choice would be Dalton McGuinty but the Liberal party seems so far from power, I`m not sure he'd want to do it. Same with other Liberals premiers or former premiers (Ghiz, McKenna, etc.)
I wouldn't be surprised to see former Ontario cabinet minister and failed candidate for Toronto mayor make a run. He's got the ego and the bug to get back. He's close to Trudeau though.
I have a certain, very specific, reaction to endless speculation about any individual being touted for a leadership position when it is based largely on the basis of the cachet attached to their surname. Be it Trudeau, Kennedy, Manning, Bush or Lewis, the reaction is pretty similar. It isn't a terribly positive reaction though.
The Ontario LIberals have such a tenuous grasp on their pseudo majority that I don't think Dalton McGuinty can resign the leadership and his seat. The situation with the Ontario govt. would change too rapidly and the Liberals would likely lose power.
You're right. This Liberal MP didn't have the right surname cachet - and look what happened to him!
No clue who that is
Is this an appropriate time to mention that the correct spelling of 11 character surnames is easier to remember if you chant them out using the Mickey Mouse club jingle?
I thought not.