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Western Allies Make Life Difficult for Syrian People in Canada (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/07/244954/western-life-difficult-sy...

"...Since the initiation of the Western based destabilization of Syria, Syrian ex-pats have found themselves increasingly inconvenienced because of their peaceful aspirations for Syria.."

 

 

Western States Pounce on Massacre Mayhem in Syria - Interview with Pepe Escobar, Asia Times (and vid)

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/06/western-states-pounce-massacre-mayhe...

"The Syrian rebels appear to have stepped up their attacks, and now the newly elected leader of the Syrian National Council is saying the group will be the political brains behind the opposition. The civil war until a few months ago could be theoretically restricted to northern Syria. Now it is spreading all over. Now we are going to have more suicide bomber attacks in Damascus itself, which is the Lebanonization scenario, the Vietnamization scenario: total civil war..."


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Russia Prepares Army for Syrian Deployment  - by Clara Weiss

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/rusy-j12.shtml

"...The units being prepared for an intervention are the 76th Division of Airborne Forces (and especially experienced unit of the Russian Army), the 15th Army Division, as well as special forces from a brigade of the Black Sea fleet, which has a base in the Syrian port of Tarturus.."

Houla Massacre Carried Out By Free Syrian Army, According to Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung  - by Chris Marsden

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/syri-j13.shtml

"The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung on June 7 published a report from Damascus by Rainer Hermann, who based his article on investigations by oppositionists who visited the area and took eye-witness testimony. They largely confirm the account of the events in Houla given by the Assad government..."


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Gladio Gang arming the region says Lavrov Putin sends attack helicopters to crush uprising/armed insurgency

NY Times on the new proxy war in the Middle East.

Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote:
According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahideen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, [on] 24 December 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise. Indeed, it was July 3, 1979, that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the President in which I explained to him that in my opinion, this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

NATO preparing vast disinformation campaign

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In a few days, perhaps as early as Friday, June 15, at noon, the Syrians wanting to watch their national TV stations will see them replaced on their screens by TV programs created by the CIA. Studio-shot images will show massacres that are blamed on the Syrian Government, people demonstrating, ministers and generals resigning from their posts, President Al-Assad fleeing, the rebels gathering in the big city centers, and a new government installing itself in the presidential palace.


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Fidel wrote:

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In a few days, perhaps as early as Friday, June 15, at noon, the Syrians wanting to watch their national TV stations will see them replaced on their screens by TV programs created by the CIA. Studio-shot images will show massacres that are blamed on the Syrian Government, people demonstrating, ministers and generals resigning from their posts, President Al-Assad fleeing, the rebels gathering in the big city centers, and a new government installing itself in the presidential palace.

Great article Fidel thanks.  To bad that this stuff sucks in most people including Canada's Official Opposition.  I trust that you have sent that to all the NDP officials you can think of to make sure they won't get fooled again.


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The NDP officials weren't 'sucked in' or 'fooled'. If you and I and millions of others worldwide can figure out the geopolitics, do you seriously imagine the NDP can't? Furthermore, if they had been 'fooled', wouldn't they have declared this to be the case once they realized the dreadful regime-change/poli-cide they were 'fooled' into unanimously supporting? At no point since has the NDP indicated any regret or interest in Libya's fate. Despite it laying in smoking, looted ruins, ruled by NATO-rat militias, pirates and thieves the NDP has said nothing critical of NATO or Canada's role. On the contrary party spokespeople congratulated the military on a job well done. The truth is absolutely irrelevent to the NDP. The power relations and realpolitic are all that matter. The only ones 'fooled' are the NDP's useful idiots here and elsewhere that time and time again let them off the hook for their crimes of complicity and collaboration.

As to which way the No Difference Party will lean in the latest imperial adventure in Syria and the next in Iran, it looks to me like they've already decided..

"New Democrats strongly condemn the latest brutal massacre by the Syrian government against its own citizens, including children, in the city of Houla. It was a brutal crime in clear violation of earlier commitments by the Syrian government to cease the use of violence against civilians.." Paul Dewar NDP

 The  USraeli organ-grinders have already demanded regime change. Their monkeys will obey accordingly..

'I am an ardent supporter of Israel in all circumstances and instances - Thomas Mulcair


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What I find funny is the great lengths to which some people will go to defend the Syrian government. It is after all a goverment of a an ethnic minority ruling over everyone else*, similar to the old South Africa. Oh, and the fact that its army is deliberately targeting civilians and the UN observers.

 

*As of 2012, the Alawis comprise the entirety of the top military and intelligence offices. Government employees from lower bureaucratic ranks are largely from the popular majority of the Sunni Muslim faith, who represent about 74% of Syria's population. The Alawis are currently the politically most powerful religious affiliation in Syria and the only one in direct governmental control.


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CDN_FORCES wrote:

What I find funny is the great lengths to which some people will go to defend the Syrian government.

What I find funny is the lengths to which you and your masters went to overthrow the Libyan government. At least the rest of us confine our views about foreign regimes to words on the Internet. 


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Unionist wrote:

CDN_FORCES wrote:

What I find funny is the great lengths to which some people will go to defend the Syrian government.

the rest of us confine our views about foreign regimes to words on the Internet. 

 

Exactly. Some people spout words, strong words even, then turn off the computer and go sleep in peace and comfort. Even in Montreal from what I hear. Others actually go out there and make the world a better place.


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Rah rah rah! Kill and bomb for Liberty!

 


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Rah rah rah! Kill and bomb for Liberty!

 

Nope. It's about stopping the killing and bombing.


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Here ya go, bud - hang on to this, it'll come in handy, and no, don't thank me, that's what comrades are for:

1-800-817-1106

 

 


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Unionist wrote:

Here ya go, bud - hang on to this, it'll come in handy, and no, don't thank me, that's what comrades are for:

1-800-817-1106

 

I think you may have more need for a 1-800 number of some sort than me.


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What I find funny is the great lengths to which some people will go to defend the Syrian government. It is after all a goverment of a an ethnic minority ruling over everyone else*, similar to the old South Africa. Oh, and the fact that its army is deliberately targeting civilians and the UN observers.

 

*As of 2012, the Alawis comprise the entirety of the top military and intelligence offices. Government employees from lower bureaucratic ranks are largely from the popular majority of the Sunni Muslim faith, who represent about 74% of Syria's population. The Alawis are currently the politically most powerful religious affiliation in Syria and the only one in direct governmental control.

NDPP

This is all quite irrelevent to the geopolitical 'hitlist' on which Syria sits. It has nothing to do with what the Syrian government does or doesn't do and everything to do with imperial designs.

http://youtu.be/9RC1Mepk_Sw


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NDPP wrote:

This is all quite irrelevent to the geopolitical 'hitlist' on which Syria sits. It has nothing to do with what the Syrian government does or doesn't do and everything to do with imperial designs.

What are you trying to tell us, man - that Hillary Clinton and Stephen Harper don't actually give a flying fuck about women and children being slaughtered in Syria? What is it with you extremist radicals anyways??


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"..Muammar Gadhafi's scandalous and widespread repression has outraged and shocked us all: indiscriminate attacks against civilians, massacres in a number of Libya's cities, massive offensive attacks against unarmed protesters, rape as a weapon of war and extrajudicial killings..We are proud of the work done by our soldiers. We are proud of their actions. I would like to personally thank them for their excellent work and I know that all of my colleagues,of all political stripes,join me in thanking them.' Christine Moore NDP

"Gadhafi's death means he'll never be able to terrorize his own people or the world again. The Libyan people can finally turn the page on 42 years of vicious oppression and continue their journey toward a better future..' Stephen Harper CON.

"I came, I saw, he died" - Hillary Clinton

 stay tuned for more of the above.


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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Fidel wrote:

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In a few days, perhaps as early as Friday, June 15, at noon, the Syrians wanting to watch their national TV stations will see them replaced on their screens by TV programs created by the CIA. Studio-shot images will show massacres that are blamed on the Syrian Government, people demonstrating, ministers and generals resigning from their posts, President Al-Assad fleeing, the rebels gathering in the big city centers, and a new government installing itself in the presidential palace.

Great article Fidel thanks.  To bad that this stuff sucks in most people including Canada's Official Opposition.  I trust that you have sent that to all the NDP officials you can think of to make sure they won't get fooled again.

 

You're asking the NDP to take sides? With which side, that state capitalist government in Moscow? Does anyone think the FSB and spetsnaz have not perpetrated false flag terror on their own citizens in the recent past? Bad as you want.

I don't believe this is a black and white issue of good guys versus bad guys It's more like grey and black, or rotten versus terrible. The NDP should probably go with the flow until next election instead of chowing down on the colder war baloney. Who wants to challenge the propaganda machine? Bad move imo. This is FPTP, and, yes, it's dirty. Oh so dirty. No points will be awarded for pursuit of truth in this one. I want the NDP to cede no FPTP political ground to the Harpers. Nothing. Scorched earth from here to 2015.


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Or Assad could just, you know, stop shelling civilians. Seriously though, my own opinion is that there won't be any Libya style Western intervention in Syria. Assad will be condemned and all that but in the end overwhelming force will quell the rebellion in much the same way his father dealt with a rebellion decades ago. I think in that case 20,000 people were killed. Terrible time to be a non-Alawi Syrian right now.


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CDN_FORCES wrote:

Or Assad could just, you know, stop shelling civilians. Seriously though, my own opinion is that there won't be any Libya style Western intervention in Syria. Assad will be condemned and all that but in the end overwhelming force will quell the rebellion in much the same way his father dealt with a rebellion decades ago. I think in that case 20,000 people were killed. Terrible time to be a non-Alawi Syrian right now.

 

And on the other side of the coin the CIA, Brits, Saudis, Pakistan and western taxpayers in general have been funding terrorist training schools in Central Asia since the 1980's. IED's, car bombs, hijackings, it's all good. Saudis and West fomenting sectarian violence in Syria.  

Al-Qa'eda = Al-CIA'da


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I think the tensions between the Alawis and the non-Alawis are such that these violent flare ups don't require any outside interference. We're not talking about two different groups that have lived together for centuries with no real issues (Mormons and Protestants in the USA, for example). I'm also not assigning blame to any side.


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CDN_FORCES wrote:

I think the tensions between the Alawis and the non-Alawis are such that these violent flare ups don't require any outside interference. We're not talking about two different groups that have lived together for centuries with no real issues (Mormons and Protestants in the USA, for example). I'm also not assigning blame to any side.

 

The west has a history for choosing to support the most extreme right wing fundamentalists over religious moderates. Our right wing extremists are most comfortable when dealing with other right wing fundamentalists like themselves. And there is a reason for it.


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Fidel wrote:

The NDP should probably go with the flow until next election instead of chowing down on the colder war baloney. Who wants to challenge the propaganda machine? Bad move imo. This is FPTP, and, yes, it's dirty. Oh so dirty. No points will be awarded for pursuit of truth in this one.

Well said Fidel.  A perfect description of the NDP, spineless in the face of the MSM.  Societal change comes from citizens discussing issues and politicians enacting the citizens will. The MSM is dedicated to stifling any debate on the real issues.  The MSM's elite probably loves the idea that the elected politicians don't even dare raise issues because they stand in fear, trembling at the thought of risking the medias wrath.

Fidel maybe you missed the memo.  It doesn't matter what platform the NDP runs on they will be the subject of an all out filthy and negative disinformation campaign from all the MSM outlets.  IMO given that reality they might as well have the discussions on all the major issues because the MSM will damn them if they do and damn if they don't.


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The Saudis and Emirates (for example) say they're religiously conservative but they're not. I've spent a lot of time in the UAE and Qatar. Open displays of sexuality, drunkeness, and immorality are cruelly punished, but behind closed doors anything goes for anyone. The truly fortunate can always jet away to Europe for fun and games.

The only truly religious, extreme far right government that has ever existed in the area is Afghanistan under the Taliban. The Taliban were true believers, and in that sense not too far removed from certain individual US politicians. It would be a stretch though to claim that the US government is anywhere near to the Taliban. There are hundreds of examples of right wing politicians who claim to be nearer to God than anyone else who nevertheless get caught in sex scandals (wide stance, anyone?).

The point all that is that governments choose allies on the needs of the day, not religious compatibility. When the needs change they get a bus any throw their former "friends" under it. I don't see any big conspiracy in that approach to international relations.


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The only truly religious, extreme far right government that has ever existed in the area is Afghanistan under the Taliban

And the Taliban were proxies for the US from 1996 to 2001. In 1992 Tajiki warlord Ahmed Shah Massoud declared war on the Taliban. The US ambassador to Kabul advised Massoud to simply surrrender to the Taliban. Massoud's US funding was promptly cut off. 

It's said that the recipient of the largest dollar amount of US aid in the 1980s was warlord and drug baron Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. Hekmatyar became infamous for throwing acid in the faces of female university students in the 1980s. They chose to back ruthless mofos like Hekmatyard and Rabanni partly because those warlords actually have/had little support among ordinary Afghans. Without US funding they knew they were nothing and held no power over anyone. They were controlled more easily by Washington and Langley and by Saudi princes. And then the first doublecross in Pakistan occurred, only it wasn't the ISI crossing their CIA partners but the other way around when after 1989 the CIA began funding the most vicious warlords directly. NATO turned their backs on the carnage that ensued.

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The point all that is that governments choose allies on the needs of the day, not religious compatibility. When the needs change they get a bus any throw their former "friends" under it. I don't see any big conspiracy in that approach to international relations.
 

The whole point of the proxy war in Afghanistan for the west, their Saudis friends and Pakistani elite was to extirpate secular socialist thought from the region. Military dictator General Zia basically transformed Pakistan into a lawless militia state used as a staging country to launch attacks against the PDPA governnment in Kabul, Jalalabad etc. The Talibanization of Pakistan and Afghanistan since the latter half of the 1980s was deliberate and methodical according to Tariq Ali, Khalid Ahmed, British and Pakistani journalists who've written extensively on that part of Central Asia's recent history.

 


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Syria Now in State of Civil War - UN (and vid)

http://www.rt.com/news/syria-civil-war-un-669/

"Following 15 months of violence the Syrian conflict has now been described as a 'civl war' by the UN peacekeeping chief. Coming as it does amid repeated attacks on UN observers the statment may endanger the whole peace plan in Syria..."

 

Russia Will Confront Any US-Led Attack on Syria: Analyst (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/13/246066/powers-on-verge-of-conflict-...

"Israel is apparently laying the groundwork for a possible military attack on Syria by alleging that Damascus could be using chemical weapons against the Syrian people. Interview with Webster Tarpley.

 

Some UN Monitors Spying in Syria

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/13/245983/some-un-monitors-spying-in-s...

"A Jordanian member of the UN Observer team in Syria says some of his teammates are carrying out spy missions collecting information about Syria's military..."

 


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The Language of War 

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/americas/language-war

"...It is also unlikely that other diplomats will define the conflict as a civil war because labelling the conflict as such has repercussions under international law. For one, the laws of war would apply to both the Syrian government and opposition fighters.."

Syria Accused of Organised Attacks (and vid)

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/middle-east/syria-accused-organised-attacks

"Syria is commiting crimes against humanity.." Amnesty International

clearly AJ is again to play its accustomned role as chief cheerleader for the western warparty. (big hi to Tony Burman!)


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Harper Calls on Russia to End Opposition to UN Sanctions on Syria

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/harper-calls-on-russia-to-end-op...

"Prime Minister Stephen Harper urged Russia to stop blocking United Nations attempts to impose sanctions on the 'murderous' Syrian regime of Bashar Assad. 'We encourage Russia and others to join with us to apply binding sanctions against what is a murderous regime,' Harper said, calling the Syrian situation unacceptable to Canadians and the international community. Harper spoke in response to a question by NDP Leader Tom Mulcair, who asked the Prime Minister specifically about diplomatic attempts to sway Russia. 'We have all witnessed the horror in Syria with the Assad regime, where innocent children are now being targeted,' Mulcair said..."

'murderous regime, innocent children now being targeted'...

 

 

Hillary's Little Startup: How the US is Using Technology to Aid Syria's Rebels

http://world.time.com/2012/06/13/hillarys-little-startup-how-the-u-s-is-...

"..As US officials have revealed to TIME, the Obama administration has been providing media-technology, training and support to Syrian dissidents by way of some small nonprofits like the Institute For War & Peace Reporting and Freedom House..."

'dissidents' by way of some'small nonprofits' lol!


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It's hard to sweep this sort of thing under the rug. Assad deserves a visit to the ICC.

 

U.N. Monitors Find Vast Devastation in Syrian Village

United Nations monitors in Syria reported fiery devastation, the smell of death, vacated homes, looted stores and vestiges of heavy weapons on Thursday during a visit to what had been a Sunni-populated village besieged for days by Syrian forces and pro-government militiamen who said they had cleansed it of rebel fighters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/world/middleeast/monitors-report-vast-...


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CDN_FORCES wrote:

It's hard to sweep this sort of thing under the rug. Assad deserves a visit to the ICC.

 

All I read was a description of armed insurgents using civilian neighbourhoods as bases and civilians as human shields. Isn't that the way your bosses describe things when they're trying to demonize insurgents? Did you lose your speaking notes, or what?

 


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Unionist wrote:

CDN_FORCES wrote:

It's hard to sweep this sort of thing under the rug. Assad deserves a visit to the ICC.

 

All I read was a description of armed insurgents using civilian neighbourhoods as bases and civilians as human shields. Isn't that the way your bosses describe things when they're trying to demonize insurgents? Did you lose your speaking notes, or what?

 

 

Still the little thread stalker, aren't you? And why no denunciation of Assad? Hmmm? Oh, right...


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Syria: NATO Plans New Sykes-Picot, Middle East Chaos  - by MD Nalapat

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31586.htm

"...Since the 2003 invasion of Iraq by the US and Iraq's former colonial master, the UK, NATO has been transparent in its desire to once again exercise direct control over the countries in the region. The few regimes that are opposed to NATO hegemony are being faced with a concerted effort to overthrow them.

After Iraq, it was the turn of Libya, followed by Syria. Next will be Iran. Unlike Libya, Syria is not in an isolated corner. An intensification of the NATO-sponsored civil war in that country, which is pitting Salafists and Wahabis against Shia, Druze, moderate Sunnis and Christian, would set off sectarian unrest in the entire region.

If this has not happened so far, the credit must go to Russia and China.."

Israel May Use Military Force 'To Secure' Syria's Alleged Chemical Arsenal

http://www.rt.com/news/israel-syria-chemical-weapons-803/

"Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mafoz believes the world should unite to crush Assad's regime, the same as it did in Libya, where coalition forces overthrew Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. 'A crime against humanity, genocide is being conducted in Syria today. And the silence of the world powers is contrary to all human logic,' Mofaz announced."

That quote's a keeper!


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