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Time for a new NDP Leader in Alberta

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kropotkin1951
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They have been stagnant for 20 years. Alberta is unlike the other three provinces in the West.  Everywhere else in the West the NDP for the last forty years has either governed or been the largest opposition party.  In Alberta it is more of a fringe party.


Winston
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Sorry...NEAR 20%, in the high teens.  You got any other pedantic nitpicking up yor sleeve?

Stockholm wrote:

I was responding to a line in a earlier post that said the Alberta NDP had been polling at 20% for most of THE PAST YEAR - that is what i was disputing. i am well aware that the Alberta NDP was in the 20s or higher 25 years ago. But that was definietly not the case in the past year. 


Wilf Day
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kropotkin1951 wrote:
1986 and 1989 and 1944 for the CCF were over 20%.  As well in 1949, 1978 and 1982 they polled over 15%.

http://www.electionalmanac.com/ea/alberta-popular-vote-results/

Compare the federal results in Alberta:

2004 federal 9.5%

2004 provincial 10.2%

2006 federal 11.7%

2008 provincial 8.5%

2008 federal 12.7%

2011 federal 16.8%

2012 provincial 8.5%

Apparently the Alberta NDP could do better. How much is due to the leader, I cannot say.


Howard
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Lest anyone think I've conceded, I'll repost what I put in an earlier thread:

Howard wrote:
 Here is my advice: 1) Get a new leader. Brian Mason is a great man. I have enormous respect for him. When he came in to the job of NDP leader he had a decade of experience on Edmonton city council under his belt. He is and was a man of substance and electoral means (it is not easy to stay on council that long, especially as a left-winger). One of Mason's first campaigns as leader they put up billboards in Edmonton that read, "Want to send Klein a message? Here is your messenger." These billboards carried a picture of Brian Mason. It is time for a new messenger. <snip>

I want an NDP leader that's finally willing to confront the mainstream of Alberta politics, adapt and respond to it, rather than preferring to live in a cloister in the inner city, university, and left-leaning (blue collar) neighbourhoods of Edmonton, being "in this province but not of it."


wage zombie
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I have never been to Alberta but from way outside looking in it looks like a change could be productive.

When calls were being made for Carole James to step down a common response was "but there's no one else".  And now Dix seems like a good choice.


Aristotleded24
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As long as we're throwing around names, how about Shannon Phillips? She came close to winning in Lethbridge, which is well outside of where the NDP traditionally wins in Alberta. The profile would certainly raise not only her profile but also in the entire southeastern region of Alberta. Being outside the Caucus, she's free to meet with groups and activists throughout the province while the Caucus can focus on holding the PCs to account in the Legsilature. Finally, what better way to get people excited about moving past the "old boy's club" in politics than with a bright, dynamic young woman with new energy and enthusiasm, especially since the top 2 parties are already led by women already?


felixr
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Aristotleded24 wrote:

As long as we're throwing around names, how about Shannon Phillips? She came close to winning in Lethbridge, which is well outside of where the NDP traditionally wins in Alberta. The profile would certainly raise not only her profile but also in the entire southeastern region of Alberta. Being outside the Caucus, she's free to meet with groups and activists throughout the province while the Caucus can focus on holding the PCs to account in the Legsilature. Finally, what better way to get people excited about moving past the "old boy's club" in politics than with a bright, dynamic young woman with new energy and enthusiasm, especially since the top 2 parties are already led by women already?

That would be great. It would break the "Edmonton mould" of the Alberta NDP, and if Shannon really wanted the job, I bet she could convince a lot of membership to go for her.


jjuares
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Another good candidate would be David Eggens. He used to be president of the Friends of medicare group. He is back as a MLA. I even have a campaign slogan for him:

 "Vote for Dave, he is a good Eggen.


Brachina
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Is there even the slightest hint Brian's even concidering stepping down?

felixr
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jjuares wrote:

Another good candidate would be David Eggens. He used to be president of the Friends of medicare group. He is back as a MLA. I even have a campaign slogan for him:

 "Vote for Dave, he is a good Eggen.

I think you're right. Eggen probably wants the job if Mason is willing to open it up for him. Here's the latest on what his riding association is up to. While I'm glad to see Eggen back as an MLA (he did a great job before), I think the party needs someone new, and I mean new in the sense of new thinking, new perspective. Eggen and Mason are on a very similar wavelength. The party needs someone that can shake things up.


felixr
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Edmonton Journal wrote:
Party delegates also voted in favour of a more contentious policy to give organized labour 25 per cent of the ballots in a leadership race. Mason said he supports the measure, as it reflects the influence labour already has in the party.

With fairweather friends like Gil McGowan, Alberta Federation of Labour president who undermined the Alberta NDP with the union's money in the 2008 campaign, this is a mistake. If the goal of this resolution was to strengthen the Alberta NDP's relationship with labour I think it is a failure. It has strengthened the Alberta NDP's relationship with management (of a select number of unions representing a very small sliver of Alberta society), and cemented the gap between the Alberta NDP and the union membership.

The bosses of Alberta unions that have been affiliated with the Alberta NDP over the years have not been able to deliver the votes, except in rare and geographically limited circumstances.

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Asked when the party’s next leadership race might take place, Mason said: “I’m not going anywhere.”

Meanwhile, the party celebrated many long-retired MLAs who served in the 1980s and when the New Democrats, with 16 seats, were the official Opposition. They included former leader Ray Martin, former MLAs Derek Fox, Marie Laing, Bob Hawkesworth, Leo Piquette, Barry Chivers and Jim Gurnett.

I hope he's bluffing, otherwise, this very defensive, on-one's-heels, "glory days" approach to messaging is what we might expect over the next 4 years. Conservatives must be shaking in their boots.


Lou Arab
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An important part of the adopted constitutional changes that was not reported by the media is that delegates voted to give the Alberta NDP Council the ability to give affiliated organizations up to 25 percent of a leadership vote.  It can also give them zero, if it so desires.

 


Aristotleded24
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When I think about it, since Mason seems to be doing well enough with voters, I think he should stay on for one more election, if only so that the NDP can gain more seats and then the party will have an easier time finding potential leaders when he does throw in the towel.


Brachina
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Winston wrote:

I'm clearly a late-comer to this discussion, but I thought I'd contribute something.  It is true, as previous posters have noted, that AB NDs are very loathe to do in their leaders - an admirable trait they share with most other NDP sections in the country (BC being the notable exception).

That said, Alberta New Democrat leaders often also have this bad habit of staying on way past their best before date.  Ray Martin did make history by bringing the Party to 16 seats in 1986, however he did not succeed in building on that success.  Riding associations remained moribund, and little organization was done outside of Edmonton to expand the base.  In the 1989 election, the Party was caught completely unprepared, and while our seat count remained constant, our popular vote slid precipitously through the campaign.  We ended up getting fewer votes than the upstart Liberals under former Edmonton Mayor Laurence Decore.  Had that campaign lasted another week, we'd have lost Official Opposition status.

Rather than taking that scare as his cue to pass the torch on to someone else (perhaps Vegreville MLA Derek Fox?), Ray stayed on for another 4 years, leading us to 0 seats and 8% of the vote in 1993.  The party found itself stuck with a leadership race anyway, but with no elected MLAs to seek the job.

Given the fact that the Alberta NDs spent most of the last year around 20% in the polls and given the weakness of the Liberals, the result in this spring's provincial election was a disappointment.  The popular vote did not grow, and the additional 2 seats won were largely due to more beneficial vote splits.  It was certainly not an astounding result.  

I see very little indication of Alberta catching Mason-mania in the next four years.  Most of the progressives and enviros I know in the province are more than a bit ambivalent about his leadership.  It is instructive to note that this was not the first time that Brian Mason succeeded in doubling our seat count: in 2004, the Party succeeded under Mason in winning 4 seats, only to have the caucus re-halved in 2008.

The Party is fortunate to have other potential leaders in David Eggen and Deron Bilous (I'm not sure if Notley wants it right now); better to rejuvenate the Party under fresh leadership now, than risk not having that option in 4 years.

Show me anyone who could do better? There is not a huge pool to pick from, I mean its Alberta, and the whole battlefield is so insanely stacked against Mason in ways no NDP leader in the ROC has to deal with, not like Mason. The truth is Alberta will remain a bunch of lemmings running off the Cliff until thier oil wealth disappears and only then when Alberta realizes that they have nothing to show for it, will the NDP rise and become contenders. All Mason can be is try and soften the blow when that Mac Truck called reality hits Alberta dead on.

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