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Syria #6

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CDN_FORCES
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kropotkin1951 wrote:

CDN Forces I trust the UN on very few issues.

Really? 

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The Duty to Protect is the antithesis of the idea that sovereign nations should not have their affairs interfered with by other countries. It leads to war mongers being able to say we had to or we would have been damned for inaction.  You effectively highlighted this dynamic in your post above.  The idea of war making as a good is immoral, illogical and either hypocritical or naive.  There can be no peace when there is war.  Starting wars always breaks the peace.  Going to war to bring peace is like fucking for virginity.

Total gibberish. The duty to protect those who can't defend themselves is rooted in thousands of years of human history. It's one of the things that differentiates us from the animals. Your way is the law of the jungle, where the Kosovo Muslims are exterminated.

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I wish that instead of firing environmental scientists our government would give people like you your pink slips and send you out to get a real job.

I'm sure you feel like that right now, today. But someday when you or your family are in peril and require help that the military is best positioned to provide I'm sure you'll change your mind. No athiests in foxholes and all that.


Fidel
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CDN_FORCES wrote:
Your way is the law of the jungle, where the Kosovo Muslims are exterminated.

Yeah and NO THANKS to Gladio ringleaders, either. They were moderate Muslims in Eastern Europe and edge of Europe until NATO sword operators intervened in the 1990s. From terrorists and war crims to drug dealing mafia and partners in crime.

CDN_FORCES wrote:
I'm sure you feel like that right now, today. But someday when you or your family are in peril and require help that the military is best positioned to provide I'm sure you'll change your mind. No athiests in foxholes and all that.

False flag terror is preventable. We just have to be vigilant is all.


kropotkin1951
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CDN_FORCES wrote:

Total gibberish. The duty to protect those who can't defend themselves is rooted in thousands of years of human history. It's one of the things that differentiates us from the animals. Your way is the law of the jungle, where the Kosovo Muslims are exterminated.

Unlike me it seems that your areas of expertise are neither law nor political studies. Once again your use of language like "total gibberish" shows you have no facts and do not want to actually debate the essence of the issues. You are here to spew venomous propaganda.

My way is the way of international law and treaties that say interfering in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation is not allowed.  It is not a centuries old doctrine but rather one from the last century. The impetus for the change to that model were the endless wars that plagued Europe in the 18th, 19th and first half of the 20th century.  Most empires and wanna be empires in those centuries used the excuse of protecting minorities to go to war.  Your postings above remind me of the infamous WWI propaganda showing German soldiers bayoneting babies.

As to needing your protection could you please tell me who is going to invade Canada? It occurs to me that the more we extend the range of Canadian military might in conjunction with NATO the more people in the world hate us.  We need coast guard and a small standing army trained to deal with natural disasters and an air force capable of operating in our north and other isolated areas to ensure those communities have security from natural disasters as well.  We don't need to project ourselves into civil wars on the other side of the planet.


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CDN_FORCES wrote:
kropotkin1951 wrote:
CDN Forces I trust the UN on very few issues.
Really? 
kropotkin1951 wrote:

The Duty to Protect is the antithesis of the idea that sovereign nations should not have their affairs interfered with by other countries. It leads to war mongers being able to say we had to or we would have been damned for inaction.  You effectively highlighted this dynamic in your post above.  The idea of war making as a good is immoral, illogical and either hypocritical or naive.  There can be no peace when there is war.  Starting wars always breaks the peace.  Going to war to bring peace is like fucking for virginity.

Total gibberish. The duty to protect those who can't defend themselves is rooted in thousands of years of human history. It's one of the things that differentiates us from the animals. Your way is the law of the jungle, where the Kosovo Muslims are exterminated.

na not so gibberish unlike yours. could ya give some examples of the 1000's of years of protection? 'cause  i don't believe it for a NY minute. i won't wait for a response to my  examples question as you have 2 outstanding to answer already...and there just aren't any (nor are Kosovo Muslims).

war is the way of the jungle. tipping truth on it's head  must pay well.

kropotkin1951 wrote:
I wish that instead of firing environmental scientists our government would give people like you your pink slips and send you out to get a real job.

I'm sure you feel like that right now, today. But someday when you or your family are in peril and require help that the military is best positioned to provide I'm sure you'll change your mind. No athiests in foxholes and all that.

families in peril????? YGTFK...


CDN_FORCES
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As to needing your protection could you please tell me who is going to invade Canada?

 I never claimed Canada was at risk of being invaded; you inferred that all by yourself. What I said was "peril".

Let's suppose you're in northern Ontario during fire season and need immediate evacuation:

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/v2/nr-sp/index-eng.asp?id=11974

July 22, 2011

OTTAWA - Since Wednesday evening, the Canadian Forces have evacuated over 500 more Canadians from northern Ontario communities, which continue to be threatened by wildfires. Five Canadian Forces CC-130 Hercules transport aircraft began flying at first light this morning from Winnipeg, Manitoba, picking up people from Sandy Lake, Kingfisher Lake and Deer Lake First Nations communities and delivering them to Thunder Bay, Ontario.

Or let's say you're in peril from flooding:

Canadian military rush to Manitoba flood zone

http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/environment/extreme-weather/red-ri...

At the height of the battle, over 8000 soldiers - one-tenth of the Canadian military - are on duty in the Manitoba flood zone. They come from all over - Canadian Forces Bases Petawawa, Kingston, Gagetown and Edmonton - to help in all sorts of ways. Engineers help the highways department. Other personnel build and patrol dikes and evacuate communities, police empty towns and provide medical assistance and, once it's all over, help thousands of people return home. CBC TV's Robert Enright was there to watch Canadian heroes at work.

Or your fishing boat is sinking:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2011/10/31/north-igloolik-survivor.html

Igloolik survivor calls rescuers 'heroes'

One of the survivors of last week's fatal rescue mission near Igloolik, Nunavut, describes his rescuers as heroes.

"The one who came to us truly saved our lives, bailing water from the raft. We were helpless and he saved us," said David Aqqiaruq.

 

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Back to foreign intervention. I don't agree with the idea that a government can do whatever it wants to the people living with the borders of a sovereign country.I believe that if civilians are being massacred by their government, that government is longer legitimate. I can't see any justification for shelling any unarmed civilians.

That also applies to Israel by the way, not only Syria.

 

 

 

 

 


NDPP
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I'm sold. But keep them at home, enhance their search and rescue capabilities and no more international hired gun lap-dogging for imperialist US/NATO interests.


Fidel
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NDPP wrote:

"... and no more international hired gun lap-dogging for imperialist US/NATO interests."

 

Pfffff!  Laughing Who's an errand boy sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill? 


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UK, US Spying for Syrian Rebels: Report

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/18/246736/uk-us-spying-for-syrian-rebels/

"British and American spy satellites have been listening in on Syrian government forces and passing the intelligence to rebels through spies on the ground, British media reports.."


kropotkin1951
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For those of you that don't trust Press TV here is its source. This is an act of war.  NATO is actively involved in a civil war taking place within Syria. So much for people who try to deny that regime change is the game being played out in Syria.

Daily Star wrote:

A SPY-IN-THE-SKY is listening in on President Assad’s ruthless killers to save the lives of ­innocent men, women and children. The British and US ­satellites pick up their plans then pass them on to dissident leaders through MI6 and CIA ­officers who have ­infiltrated Syria.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/257143/Satellites-target-Syrian-leader/

 


CDN_FORCES
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kropotkin1951 wrote:

For those of you that don't trust Press TV here is its source. This is an act of war.  NATO is actively involved in a civil war taking place within Syria. So much for people who try to deny that regime change is the game being played out in Syria.

Daily Star wrote:

A SPY-IN-THE-SKY is listening in on President Assad’s ruthless killers to save the lives of ­innocent men, women and children. The British and US ­satellites pick up their plans then pass them on to dissident leaders through MI6 and CIA ­officers who have ­infiltrated Syria.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/257143/Satellites-target-Syrian-leader/

 

 

Truly a fantastic source that Daily Star. Not sexist or tabloid-y at all...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/babes/ (Not safe for work.)


Fidel
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Jordanian MP: US Equipping Al-Qaeda in Syria, Region

Quote:
Many senior analysts and political experts in the Middle-East are concerned about the growing alliance between the US and the Al Qaeda terrorist group, cautioning that Washington is reviving the group to target security of the region.

Speaking to FNA, Director of the Arab and International Strategic Studies Center Qaleb Qandil said that Washington has freed hundreds of al-Qaeda prisoners in Iraq before withdrawing its forces from the war-torn country and infiltrated these terrorists into Syria to carry out attacks against the Syrian people.

He pointed to the recent terrorist bombings in Damascus that killed dozens of people, and stated, "The incident reminds us of those cases in which the US and its allies provoked the al-Qaeda elements in the region."

Al-Qa'eda = Al-CIA'da

The glasnost is half full.


NDPP
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Syria #6 Closes - Syria #7 here:

http://rabble.ca/comment/1353316


kropotkin1951
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CDN_FORCES wrote:

Truly a fantastic source that Daily Star. Not sexist or tabloid-y at all...

 

No denying the facts so you attack the source of the report.

Do you disagree that having intelligence agencies actively supporting an armed insurrection in another country is an act of war?  Or do you prefer to do an imitation of the three monkeys every time you are presented with facts.

 


CDN_FORCES
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kropotkin1951 wrote:

No denying the facts so you attack the source of the report.

Do you disagree that having intelligence agencies actively supporting an armed insurrection in another country is an act of war?  Or do you prefer to do an imitation of the three monkeys every time you are presented with facts.

 

 

There aren't any "facts" to deny...nothing reliable anyway considering the source is equal to National Enquirer or The Onion. A T&A rag is not a credible source. (I'm also sure you shouldn't be posting links to sexist and misogynist sites.)

There will be some credibility when the NYTimes or the UN reports it.


kropotkin1951
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CDN-Forces your willful blindness is certainly unrelenting. I hope you get paid well for your efforts at obfuscation. One MSM rag says the British and American are currently doing it and the mouthpiece of the 1% says they are contemplating it.  Even the WJ describes active intervention in Syria by NATO that is a breach of international law.  So your point is what?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230341040457746476355114904...


CDN_FORCES
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It's a week old article, most of which is behind a paywall, that makes no mention of weapons.

What was your point?


thorin_bane
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willful ignorance is not an excuse


Fidel
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thorin_bane wrote:

willful ignorance is not an excuse

 

Careful, Thorin. I can say for sure that a new unwritten policy for tolerating pro imperialist points of view on babble is in place and for some time. 


kropotkin1951
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I guess that means that peace is not a feminist issue on babble.  War mongering has nothing to do with patriarchy and misogyny.  It is totally not a issue of fundamental principles. The war games are not a male construct that oppresses people all over the planet. None of CDN-Forces posts enhance the debate from a progressive viewpoint but he does use women as a shield for his views. I find that the icing on the cake.


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CDN_FORCES wrote:

There aren't any "facts" to deny...nothing reliable anyway considering the source is equal to National Enquirer or The Onion. A T&A rag is not a credible source. (I'm also sure you shouldn't be posting links to sexist and misogynist sites.)

That's a really thin charge, CDN_FORCES. How about sticking to the foundation of the article? You could just as easily go picking through the ads or the classifieds in the WSJ.

Come on....


Catchfire
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Yeah, I think I've had enough of CDN_FORCES. Thanks for the memories.

And closing for length.


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