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oh, I so have to watch that clip BB - thanks for the heads up - I rarely watch tv - can't figure out how to operate with 3 remotes!
She says she doesn't draw lines in the sand, and she thinks it's childish for McQuinty to have a knee-jerk reaction and threaten an election when he doesn't get his way.
I saw the interview at CBC. Solomon was actually pleasant with her. Andrea stuck to her guns and clearly stated that they previously stated when passing the budget motion that they supported it going to the finance committee for an indepth review and there have been over 200 amendments made, including many done by Liberals.
Also, the truth of what the NDP agreed to was reported in the MSM and can be googled. McGuinty and Duncan are looking like overthetop two-bit politicians and not leaders at all.
I'd much rather have an election and save Ontario Northland and Service Ontario (among others), and I think many NDP supporters are with me on that. I think Andrea might be giving in a little too much.
Toaster nobody in my neighbourhood is talking "election" - odd isn't that Joe and Jane public are probably totally unaware of all this. I wonder because of total lack of interest that perhaps they may not be happy with an election in the summer.
And this will only get worse as I'm sure public sector workers are about to find out.
Given their current third party status, the NDP are definitely punching above their weight and landing some good hits. Not only did they get some concessions from the government on fair taxation and social assistance, they stick-handled the Conservatives in committee to tone down some aspects of the bill. Great stuff. Kudos to Andrea, our next premier.
I would be greatly shocked if she ever became premier. I wonder what sort of book people are willing to offer on that question.
Her most notable characteristics are that she's perfectly capable of throwing the poor under the bus of a brutal austerity budget and she's afraid to go to the people - presumably for fear of losing. NDP = no difference party.
Just saw this - but can't download HuffPost on my slow dialup:
NDP Abstains As Ontario Budget Passes www.huffingtonpost.ca A summer election in Ontario was averted Wednesday with the passage of the minority Liberal government's budget.
Abstaining is an excellent way to show leadership.
Hard not to agree, seeing as how Andrea abstained on this critically important vote.
I think abstaining was the perfect message to send. The NDP promised not to defeat the budget and cause an election in exchange for a string of concessions. The NDP did NOT promise to jump up and down yelling "hip-hip hooray" while voting in favour of a budget that is still larded with a lot of things they object to.
They could have voted AGAINST the budget, Stock. Horwath looks like she's saying she doesn't want to be premier.
The NDP has shown that it's not a major player in Ontario.
She just stabbed Mulcair in the back! Losers. I hate these Provincial Premiers. They all act like Liberals. Better be carefull or we get the same thing again. I am fed up. They can all go to hell!
McGuinty acts like a Liberal because he is one. I'm not sure what Horwath's excuse is.
Okay, I'm not up to speed on this. How did Horwath stab Mulcair in the back? By making the NDP irrelevant in Ontario? (that's the only guess I have for now).
I agree. ;- The NDP is saying they don't want taxpayers to foot the bills for another election at $150,000,000 dollars a pop and just 9 months after the last one. It's summer and voter turnout would likely sink to a new low in old conservative and now nouveau Liberal Ontario. Ontario voters are a lot like British voters - they search high and low for reasons to vote Tory. They would most likely do it again for old time sake given the currently chaotic economic and political situation. I don't want another Mike the Knife Harris clone dictating things from Toronto, and I don't think other progressive people would, either. And the likelihood of it happening is pretty good given the nature of our dysfunctional electoral system. Listen not to seductive electoral sirens - they are prolly not so trustworthy.
How so? Probably the best thing for the federal NDP in Ontario is for the provincial party not to be in government and dealing with the pile of crap that is Ontario's financial situation (also the historical reality that Ontario tends to support different parties at each level) or for the provincial party to be blamed for putting Tim Hudak in power.
The best thing for the Ontario NDP and for the federal NDP is for McGuinty to turn away from Horwath and start making deals with Hudak instead. That would drive a wedge between the Liberals and the more progressive part of their base and create schism between the Liberals and the teachers and nurses unions and also a schism with environmental groups.
Those schisms don't exist already? Jesus, how long has McQuinty been Premier???
As a brand, the Liberals are now fighting for survival in their home market. With the ONDP neutered, they can now direct their attack on Hudak, who is also a weak leader, who's party would gladly throw him under the bus. By failing to indicate a lack of confidence in McGuinty's government, Horwath has highlighted her own lack of confidence in her party's prospects.
I respectfully disagree with autoworker re "neutered" - considering everything it is the Libs who took the lion's share of their faux - call a election if I don't get my way. And your reference to weak leader, as "another" you must mean McGuinty because his numbers are in the dumpster with Hudak and only Andrea is super high ratings.
That being the case, why is she afraid of an election?
I don't think BB it was "because she was afraid of an election" and I think that is the wrong question. How about that Ontarians were not eager for an election in anyway. I think that if one triggers an election one needs to do so having some idea of the outcome and if it will be more positive. Personally I don't think it would have been.
I doubt see'll ever be premier now. She had her chance and blew it.
After doing a Caspar Milquetoast by abstaining on something so crucial as a budget vote, I can't imagine the electorate ever trusting her with the reins of power. A black eye for the ONDP in my opinion.
Well at least she extracted some concessions for not voting against. When the federal Liberals kept abstaining on Conservative budgets, they did it because they were afraid to face the polls again, not because the Conservatives had done anything to deserve their support.
The OLP assailing the ONDP was a pressure tactic. It resulted in Horwath on the defensive, reducing her demands to prove that she was not going to force an election. And seeing as she has dropped a bit in the polls, it seems the OLP succeeded at least in the short term in "putting the ONDP in their place" - the knowledge that neither party would have any likely influence if they went to an election today is reason enough to hang on for dear life.