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Syria #7: Russia readies marines for Syria mission

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BEIRUT—Syrian forces shelled the central city of Homs on Monday during a fierce offensive to root out rebels as the country's most important ally, Russia, appeared to show growing concern over President Bashar Assad's future.

Russia's Interfax news agency reported that two Russian navy ships are prepared to head to Syria to protect Russian citizens and a naval base there.

“We must protect our citizens,” Maj.-Gen. Vladimir Gradusov was quoted as saying. “We won't abandon the Russians and will evacuate them from the conflict zone, if necessary.”

Each ship is capable of carrying up to 300 marines and a dozen tanks, according to Russian media reports. That would make it the largest known Russian troop deployment to Syria, signalling that Moscow is becoming increasingly uneasy about Syria's slide toward civil war.

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1212893--russia-readies-marine...


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Washington Arming Syria Insurgents  - by Stephen Lendman

http://warisacrime.org/content/washington-arming-syria-insurgents

"Rhetorically supporting peace while waging war exposes Washington's transparent hypocrisy.."

 

Russian Warships 'Ready' to Sail for Syria

http://www.rt.com/news/russia-ships-syria-089/

"It is being reported that large Russian amphibious naval ships are steaming toward the Syrian port of Tarturus, where Russian civilians and naval infrastructure are under threat from ongoing civil disorder. But according to an officer stationed with the Black Sea Fleet, the Nikolay Filchenkov and Ceasar Kunikov are still sitting in dock in Sevastopol. Moreover, the crew is said to be on 'regular service duty' and are under no emergency orders.."

 

Syria Strategy Looks Like A Bloody Repeat  - by Scott Taylor

http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/syria-strategy-looks-like-a-b...

"Since the outset, the western powers, led by USA and cheerleading Canada, have declared their objective to be regime change in Syria..."


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Meetings with senior National Security Council officials were also held. FSA members want heavy weapons. They include anti-tank missiles and heavy machine guns.

 

"(T)he Daily Telegraph has learned that advanced contingency plans are already in place to supply heavy weapons to the rebels, including sophisticated anti-tank weapons and surface to-air-missiles."

 

Plans may crystallize at the upcoming June 30 Geneva Friends of Syria meeting. The June 18-19 Los Cabos, Mexico summit will focus more on Eurozone economic crisis conditions. 

 

Syria discussions won't change Russian and Chinese opposition to military intervention.

 

Nonetheless, Obama and Putin will hold bilateral talks. It'll be their first meeting since Putin's reelection. Obama will also meet privately with Chinese President Hu Jintao. Expect no Syrian breakthroughs.

 

Unnamed "(s)enior Middle East diplomatic sources" said large insurgent weapons supplies are already stockpiled. "(I)nevitable" intervention is coming. At issue is toppling Assad. One unnamed source said:

 

It "will happen. It is not a question of 'if,' but 'when.' "

 

"Middle Eastern diplomatic sources said that the Obama administration was fully aware of the preparations being made to arm Syrian opposition groups."

 

"The US has also agreed to be part of a group of countries that coordinates assistance to the rebels, the sources said, but was still deliberating over the time frame for escalation."

 

On June 16, DEBKAfile said Washington "is very near a decision on the types of weapons to be shipped to the Syrian rebels and when."

 

Most supplied are bought and paid for. Saudi Arabia and Qatar funds were used. "The White House is also close to deciding on the format of its military operation in Syria."

 

 

http://warisacrime.org/content/washington-arming-syria-insurgents

 


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This is no big deal; the Russian Marines are to be used to secure Russian personnel in Syria and the naval base they operate on the Syrian coast should the regime start to fall apart.

 

This is nothing the USA wouldn't do if the roles were reversed so I don't see us making a very big deal out of this in the end.


Fidel
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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

 

This is no big deal; the Russian Marines are to be used to secure Russian personnel in Syria and the naval base they operate on the Syrian coast should the regime start to fall apart.

 

This is nothing the USA wouldn't do if the roles were reversed so I don't see us making a very big deal out of this in the end.

 

lol! Since when have the Russians ever aided and abetted Al-Qa'eda and Qa'eda affiliates similarly to attack a single one of the dozens of repressive U.S. client states around the world? Ever notice where 'er the US Military and NATO are, there go Al-CIA'da and other right wing extremists? 


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Ship carrying arms for Syria returning to Russia

 

Seriously? National policy is now vetoed by insurance companies? Weren't these helicoptors being refurbished and returned to Syria per the purchase agreement between Syria and Russia? Sounds like Putin had a really good "talk" with Obama.


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Fidel wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

This is no big deal; the Russian Marines are to be used to secure Russian personnel in Syria and the naval base they operate on the Syrian coast should the regime start to fall apart.

 This is nothing the USA wouldn't do if the roles were reversed so I don't see us making a very big deal out of this in the end.

 

lol! Since when have the Russians ever aided and abetted Al-Qa'eda and Qa'eda affiliates similarly to attack a single one of the dozens of repressive U.S. client states around the world? Ever notice where 'er the US Military and NATO are, there go Al-CIA'da and other right wing extremists? 

Please explain how you twisted what I posted into Russia using its Marines to help Al-Qaeda and Qaeda affiliates when I clearly said they are going to be used to safe guard Russian citizens and the Russian naval base in Syria.

Honestly Fidel sometimes it seems like you're out there posting stuff not even related to what you're responding to as long as it insists al-Qaida is the CIA or whatever. We know you think that; we get it and nobody is going to waste their time trying to convince you otherwise.  

 

 


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I love the CBC's balanced reporting.  The final line is their reporting on  the Syrian governments view, "The Syrian government regularly refers to the rebels as terrorists."

 


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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Please explain how you twisted what I posted into Russia using its Marines to help Al-Qaeda and Qaeda affiliates when I clearly said they are going to be used to safe guard Russian citizens and the Russian naval base in Syria.

Well if you read what you actually wrote, you suggest that the USA would do the same if roles are reversed. Okay, then, all I did was reverse the roles. No need to get upset about my doing exactly what you proposed we do, is there?

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
Honestly Fidel sometimes it seems like you're out there posting stuff not even related to what you're responding to as long as it insists al-Qaida is the CIA or whatever. We know you think that; we get it and nobody is going to waste their time trying to convince you otherwise.  

 

I don't think you've ever tried to convince us otherwise. And it's not very likely that you would succeed and especially not when you have congressmen asking why the US Government is propping-up Al-Qa'eda in Syria and on the border in Turkey. In fact, there have been whistleblowers in and out of US Government since 9/11 revealing that your government has been cozy with Qa'eda for some time. Al-Qa'eda plus US Government is nothing new, Bec. They've been training Mujahideen -e-Khalq terrorists in Nevada since 2005.  Don't you think it strange when M.E.K. is listed as a terrorist group along with LIFG which is literally a wing of Al-Qa'eda? Your bipartisan war governments heart militant Islam for a long time, Bec, and since at least the overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran. The Sovs stabbed them in the back when the Berlin Wall came down. They need a bogeyman to justify the massive corporate welfare programs for about 8000 private military contractors lobbying both war parties with kick-back, graft and perpetuating the long-time corruption in US Government. What you should be demanding as a citizen of the USSA is a new period of transparency and accountablity to the public. The glasnost is half full.

Proxy War With Iran and Russia: Intervention in Syria Has Nothing to do with Humanitarian Concerns Foundation for Defence of Democracy's Clifford May admits Syria is a proxy war with Iran and Russia, Neo-Cons in bed with Al Qaeda. Human rights merely a pretense.

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Clifford May begins by playing the "humanitarian card" but ends admitting the entire conflict is a proxy war with Iran, and by implication, Russia. Amid a myriad of lies directed at Iran, May proposes worldwide occupation is necessary to maintain American "influence in the long run," a notion that sounds suspiciously a lot like Empire.
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May also makes mention of "strange bedfellows" in the current conflict, by quoting a fellow commentator who stated, "the McCain wing of the Republican party, and the rest of Washington's progressive, Islamophilic clerisy" are aligning with "al-Qaeda emir Ayman al-Zawahiri and Muslim Brotherhood icon Yusuf al-Qaradawi."

It's not Elvis bin Laden anymore. Qa'eda's number one fake leader is now Ayman al-Zawahiri. (See USA.-Al-Qa'eda alliance in Kosovo by Canadian Peter Dale Scott) 


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Fidel in the last thread I was implying that our friend in the forces was showing willful ignorance, and No that isn't an excuse for killing kids amoung other so called justified crimes our thugs commit.


NDPP
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speaking of which, is everybody cool with how CDN_FORCES was dispatched? If it can happen to him it can happen to us - and as easily, and presumably with nary a notice or objection taken to the manner of his taking out. It was not necessary. It could easily be our friend Bec next. This is not good nor the acquiesence to it.

Armed Gangs in Syria Receive Weapons from Israel: Reports

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/19/246992/syrian-gangs-receiving-is...

 


Fidel
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Roger that, Thorin.


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NDPP wrote:

speaking of which, is everybody cool with how CDN_FORCES was dispatched?

I don't want to derail this thread, and I see your one in reactions is gone, so I hope no one minds a brief response.

I disagree with CDN_FORCES more than I agree with him. On the other hand, I have made arguments with some similarities to his on occasion.

I did see a warning, though speaking generally, if some action is to be taken, I prefer to see a timeout before a suspension. 

Just my opinion.

 


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6079_Smith_W wrote:

I don't want to derail this thread, and I see your one in reactions is gone, so I hope no one minds a brief response.

 

Since you are pretending to ask for permission then I must say that I would prefer if you would just not derail the thread.  You haven't even made a post in this thread on the topic. You can take your complaining about the moderators to another thread. 

ETA My apologies for slipping into dominant language.


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I didn't ask for permission. 

As awkward as NDPP's question made me feel, I would have felt even more awkward if I had just let it be answered with stone silence.

If I have interrupted your thread, I apologize. Carry on.

 


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Thanks Smith.

Homs Rebels: Army Must Leave or We'll Start Killing Civilians

http://www.rt.com/news/homs-army-leave-civilians-311/

"Almost all towns are under the government control except for Homs, where rebels and 'terrorists' have asked the army to leave - otherwise they have threatened to kill civilians.."


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BREAKING: "Private Security Companies" in Syria, Supporting Rebels: Foreign Mercenaries Detained

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Sources say at least 200-300 private security company employees are captured beside hundreds of foreign military and service personnel during the last 14 months of foreign terror provocation. Among them are Portuguese nationals, who are paratroopers - and about whom Syria is asking itself how they entered the country. During interrogation they claimed to have retired from army duty, which somehow contradicts in some cases how old they look. Sources add, that some of those foreign officials somehow settled in the region at least months before they started their terror campaign

40-60 German Gladios caught red-handed by government troops. Is unemployment in democratic capitalist western Europe that bad?


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Fidel wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Please explain how you twisted what I posted into Russia using its Marines to help Al-Qaeda and Qaeda affiliates when I clearly said they are going to be used to safe guard Russian citizens and the Russian naval base in Syria.

Well if you read what you actually wrote, you suggest that the USA would do the same if roles are reversed. Okay, then, all I did was reverse the roles. No need to get upset about my doing exactly what you proposed we do, is there?

 

... YES, the USA would send in Marines to protect US personnel and the naval base if the country (an allied one not Syria) they were in was about to fall apart... where you get support al-Qaida is beyond me. Again I see nothing big in this (the Russian Marines going to Syria).

 

As for CDN_FORCES being banned (if it happened) who'd seen it coming? I just wish I could have bet money on it with someone; I could use the drinking money.Wink


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it was for allegedly defending imperialism so best take care, although the ndp does it constantly, you could be next..


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Catchfire wrote:

Hi CDN_FORCES, I'm reminding you that babble has an anti-imperialist mandate. Justifying killing civilians because the bomber promises to try really hard not to kill them falls rather outside its perimeter. For that matter, so does mocking people who "stay at home" rather than go kill people for freedom.

If you want to take NATO's side in this conflict, you need to find other rhetoric.

Winston Smith wrote:

so I hope no one minds a brief response.

Winston Smith wrote:

I didn't ask for permission.

Whatever 6079.  Please PM trhe moderators if you have a problem with their rulings. You claim that you agree they should have the power to ban so if you want to debate a ruling I think that is the proper avenue.


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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

As for CDN_FORCES being banned (if it happened) who'd seen it coming? I just wish I could have bet money on it with someone; I could use the drinking money.Wink

I apologize for other posters comparing you with CDN_Forces.  You are fun to discuss military issues with, he was here to troll.  That is my take.


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Hey, I was just answering a question posed by NDPP. I'm not really interested getting into that greater issue or causing a big stink, and I did look for somewhere else to post it. But it was a question that to my mind demanded at least a response.

But again, if it's a distraction to whomever owns the thread now (seeing as that position is now up for grabs) then perhaps those who are so interested should get back to that more important issue.

And you can, really. Because I'm done.

 


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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
... YES, the USA would send in Marines to protect US personnel and the naval base if the country (an allied one not Syria) they were in was about to fall apart... where you get support al-Qaida is beyond me. Again I see nothing big in this (the Russian Marines going to Syria).

You can cover your eyes and plug your ears, but it doesn't make the world go away.

Clinton: Qaeda, USA on same side again, this time in Syria  

Hillary "I'm a Liberal Democrat and corrupt as you want" Clinton wrote:
"We have a very dangerous set of actors in the region, Al-Qaeda, Hamas, and those who are on our terrorist list, to be sure, supporting - claiming to support the opposition [in Syria]."

Clinton's admission that Al-Qaeda is aiding the armed insurrection in Syria dovetails the news that Qatar and Turkey airlifted weapons and supplies to anti-Syrian terrorists.

London Telegraph reported that terrorist commander Abdulhakim Belhadj, previously head of the Tripoli Military Council, 

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"...met with Free Syrian Army leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey," after being sent there by Mustafa Abdul Jalil, the interim Libyan president.

Abdul Hakim Belhadj, NATO's terrorist commander of Tripoli, tookover command of LIFG from former top Qaeda leader in Afghanistan, Abu Laith al-Libi.

Of course, I'm being very generous with pointing this out to you. You seem to be oblivious as to what your government and its Middle Eastern imperialist friendly nations have been up to recently. In fact, you seem to know very little of the topic of discussion at hand merely pop-in here once in a while to make comments of a combative and confrontational nature and demanding that I bring you up to speed. And I find it's difficult to keep up with how little you know about what's going in Syria in general. You might want to try reading the New York Times or Washington Post to clue yourself in once in a while, though. They aren't perfect sources of info by any means, but you should try to make the effort anyway. You might find yourself with something to contribute in discussion threads, like this one for instance. The goal in posting, imo, is to try to leave thread participants with the feeling that they are smarter for what you've bothered to take the time to post and not wondering why you bothered. It's not good enough to plunk yourself down and say in typical Sergeant Schultzian defense, I know nothing. Noth-ing of what you are talking about. That's just willful ignorance imo. 


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kropotkin1951 wrote:

You can take your bitching about the moderators to another thread. 

For full disclosure, I've flagged this post for oppressive, anti-feminist language.


MegB
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Duly noted A_J.

Kropotkin, as a self-proclaimed feminist man, I would've thought you'd be more sensitive to these kinds of language issues. 

But, then again, looking at the content of this thread, with its complete lack of diversely gendered participation, I'm not at all surprised.


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A_J wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

You can take your bitching about the moderators to another thread. 

For full disclosure, I've flagged this post for oppressive, anti-feminist language.

Any thoughts on Syria while you're here?

Nah. Din't think so.


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Syrian pilot defects to Jordan with plane

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A Syrian fighter pilot on a training mission flew his MiG-21 warplane to Jordan on Thursday and asked for political asylum, the first defection of an air force pilot with his plane during the 15-month uprising against President Bashar Assad.

The defection was a triumph for the rebels who are fighting to overthrow Assad. The air force is considered fiercely loyal to the government, and the defection suggests some of Syria's most ironclad allegiances are fraying. A spokesman for the rebel Free Syrian Army, Ahmad Kassem, said the group had encouraged the pilot to defect and monitored his activity until the jet landed safely in Jordan. He said the pilot was based in southern Syria.

This is to be expected (some defections) and while not huge in its self I agree with the articles assessment this could indicate that cracks are starting to form in the upper echelons of the regimes military.

The MIG-21 while no longer a top of the line fighter is still the workhorse of many national air forces.


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Last week I saw on various networks that Assad was supposed to run to Russia taking $6billlion with him to deposit in Russian banks. Since he's apparently still in power, I guess that's another bogus news story from the MSM.


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Who is the opposition in Syria, Bec? Why is your government and their vicious toadies in Ottawa, Baird and Harper, ignoring Syria's democratic opposition in Damascus while supporting a group of fractious right wing religious fundamentalists criss-crossing in and out of Syria as if borders since independence from France and Arab Republic are non-existent? We know you don't support militant Islam, but why do the U.S. Government and its NATO lackies?

Since 9/11 all of us are supposed to believe that militant Islam is the enemy. See what they make you give?

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And, where are the feminists in this thread? How do feminist babblers feel about militant Islam, theocratic feudalism, and what amounts to western world support for violent misogynists and religious fundamentalists and this time in Syria?

The silence is deafening. 


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A_J wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

You can take your "complaining" about the moderators to another thread. 

For full disclosure, I've flagged this post for oppressive, anti-feminist language.

So AJ what to you think about peace as a feminist issue.  I am sure your commitment to feminist discourse must be more than just correcting your allies on inadvertent language slips.  You could have PM'ed me and I would have changed it as soon as I realized my stupid comment.  But no on babble public shaming and pillorying is the preferred method of correcting allies.  Of course if you don't think I am a ally then I would deserve your very pointed comment.

But really what do you think about the male war games being played out in Syria.  Do you think that the NATO driven civil war will help or hurt the cause of women in Syria?

http://rabble.ca/babble/feminism/peace-feminist-issue


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Fidel wrote:

Who is the opposition in Syria, Bec? ---

Is this a trick question?...Laughing

 

 


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