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The Race for the US Presidency 2012 & Why Obama Must Be Defeated

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Ken Burch
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Glad to help.


Jacob Two-Two
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wage zombie wrote:

 But what concenssions are you prepared to accept?  For a Mulcair minority govt to stay in power?

I don't have a list. I expect an NDP government and myself to be perpetually at odds. My rationale in supporting them is that they are vulnerable politically to pressure from the left. Of course, at the same time, they will be attempting to appease the mainstream. My best case scenario is that the party will find ongoing compromise between my own progressive politics and the mushy middle. Fortunately the mushy middle has been drifting left these days, and with focused advocacy it can be pushed further.

So there's no one issue that would turn me away. Rather it would be a sustained pattern of ignoring the left in favour of the mainstream, or worse, allowing substantial rightward changes behind a screen of cosmetic lefty initiatives (like environmental legislation that doesn't actually do anything). Basically, if they turned into the Liberals.

I would rather be allied with the NDP than not, even knowing that they will never be all the things I'd like them to, but there has to be some sense that supporting them is a strategic advantage for my own politics, if only slightly. It might be anything that breaks the camel's back, but when that advantage disappears I'll know it.

In terms of the US, I think that advantage hasn't been in evidence for a very, very long time. Sure, if I lived there I'd probably still vote for the Dems, just because voting is such a small effort, and there aren't any better choices, but I would never give them one ounce of my time or energy like I do the NDP. I would spend that trying to get something positive done.


alan smithee
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I almost fell off my chair today when I read that the USSC upheld 'Obamacare'


Fidel
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Do Americans have an alternative, really?

Is it a subliminal campaign plug for Romney? Am-R-CIA

 Is Mitt trying to say that he's CIA? Even more power to the shadow gov if Romney is elected?


kropotkin1951
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Strangely the act in being passed might be Romney's best shot at winning.  The Supreme Court was very clear that what Obama has insisted is not a tax on poor people is in fact only constitutional because it is a tax.  That is the hammer they are going to go on and on about until November.  If that framing takes hold then Obama is in trouble.


Bec.De.Corbin
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Ken Burch wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:
Voting for Romney - or abstaining from voting altogether - to spite Obama - is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
More like cutting off your head to spite your neck, actually.
Please don't complicate things like that here: heads will explode; not that there isn't already a few nose bleeds going on here. I'm glad this ruling happened the way it did... but for me this is a start and not an end to this issue.

Boom Boom
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CNN last night was discussing this in a panel, and the consensus was, yes, Romney can run on the tax increase idea - but also were unaminous that the idea that Romney can repeal and replace ObamaCare on day one  is a pile of horse manure. And, the panel said that Obama has the wind in his sails because of the SCOTUS decision, and people like a winner. And, the Citizens United decision means that the election will br brought, anyway - there's no limit anymore on what people and corporations can give to sway the vote, and to buy voter-supresssion schemes.

Repealing Obamacare is going to be as hard for Romney as repealing Citizens United is going to be for Obama.  And, since Romney is already on record as saying he will be the 'economy and jobs' candidate, does he really want to go back to fighting this 2009 issue all over again?


NDPP
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Netanyahu's Message to Obama Campaign: When we say 'Jump' you answer 'How High!'  -  by Franklin Lamb

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/06/29/netanyahus-message-to-Obama campaign

Presidential candidate Barack Obama is being targeted by the US Israel lobby from A to Z, as no American President seeking re-election has been in the country's 236 year history. So what price is being demanded of the Obama campaign for Zionist lobby support between now and November 6th..?"


alan smithee
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NDPP wrote:

Netanyahu's Message to Obama Campaign: When we say 'Jump' you answer 'How High!'  -  by Franklin Lamb

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/06/29/netanyahus-message-to-Obama campaign

Presidential candidate Barack Obama is being targeted by the US Israel lobby from A to Z, as no American President seeking re-election has been in the country's 236 year history. So what price is being demanded of the Obama campaign for Zionist lobby support between now and November 6th..?"

Romney will no doubt honor all their demands as well..It doesn't make a difference.


kropotkin1951
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I like the name ORC for the new plan.  ObamaRomneyCare has a nice ring and accurately describes the plans parentage.


Fidel
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It's a dictatorship led by Obama described by Jeffrey St Clair and Joshua Frank as "...the technofascist military strategist disguised as a Nobel Peace Laureate, but owned, operated, and controlled by Wall Street, Corporate America, and the Pentagon."


alan smithee
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..and Romney is the Great Progressive Hope...LMFAO!!


Boom Boom
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I just saw a video link to a GOP person calling for armed revolution against the White House. I'll try to find it.

ETA: Tea Party Leader Calls For Violent Overthrow Of Government Over Health Care Ruling (VIDEO)

(can't download it myself on dialup)


alan smithee
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Boom Boom wrote:

I just saw a video link to a GOP person calling for armed revolution against the White House. I'll try to find it.

This is why I want Obama to win another term..To watch the GOP lunatics heads explode.

Uber fascists angry with a fascist government that isn't fascist enough..with a leader they hate because he's of the 'wrong' race.


Bec.De.Corbin
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Boom Boom wrote:

I just saw a video link to a GOP person calling for armed revolution against the White House. I'll try to find it.

ETA: Tea Party Leader Calls For Violent Overthrow Of Government Over Health Care Ruling (VIDEO)

(can't download it myself on dialup)

What an idiot.


MegB
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Closing ...


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