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Social Network Facebook: The New Home of the Bourgeois Individual

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radiorahim
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Sven wrote:

Zuckerburg = Pinochet, Mubarak, etc.?

Are...you...bloody...serious?!?

You're right.    His spying machine is actually much better and more efficient.  He doesn't need to torture people to get them to reveal their secrets.   He gets them to do it voluntarily.


radiorahim
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Sven wrote:

RR, what features does Diaspora* offer a user which are unavailable elsewhere?  Most people are not going drop FB for political reasons. 

For starters, no spying and no tracking of your movements around the net.    There is NO central server.   The people who started it up don't control it.   You store your data on a server you trust.   If you don't trust anyone at all, you could if you had the time and the skill, or the willingness to develop the skill put up your own pod server to host your own data...or get a geeky friend to do it.

It's incredibly easy with Diaspora to separate your "friends" into different categories of friends (they're called "aspects)...much easier than Facebook and because of that, you can much more easily control who sees what.   Actually, Google+ kind of copied this feature from Diaspora*

You don't have to use your real name.    If you want to call yourself "inkypinky807" you can do that.   Facebook and Google+ have a "real names" policy.    If you happen to be a political dissident living in a repressive regime, the ability to be anonymous can save your life.    Or, if you just happen to be a civil servant and want to leak something bad that a government is doing, it's a relatively safe place to do it.

You can cross post to Facebook, Twitter and Tumblir from Diaspora*.   You can't yet do things the other way around, but Diaspora* developers are working on this.    This is part of the process of allowing people to eventually seemlessly move off of the corporate controlled networks.

There's no advertising clutter on your page...because no one is mining your personal info to sell to advertisers.

There are little things that I find that I like better.   I find that I don't have to be quite so careful starting a new line in a longer post the way I do on FB.  On FB, I've often had to delete a post because I happen to have accidently hit the "enter" button at the end of a line and then have had to re-post.

If you decide to quit Diaspora*, it's easy.   You click on one button to download all of your personal data from the server.   You click another button to close your account forever.    

Quitting Facebook is really hard.    It takes at least two weeks.   Michelle did it...and you have to be careful not to even accidently click on anything Facebook related on any site on the net...otherwise your account is re-activated.

Also, you never really know whether or not FB has deleted the information you've uploaded to their servers.   You just have to trust them.

If you want to play around with Diaspora* you can try this server.   They're taking on new users.   Get a few of your friends together and try it out.

 

 


Maysie
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I have a profile on Diaspora. radiorahim got me to do it. I never go there though. No cool games yet.

Smile

Unionist wrote:
 Kinda like the first year of Christianity or Islam, sven. Takes at least 18 months to go viral.

I knew there was a reason I felt itchy.


Unionist
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Joined: Dec 11 2005

radiorahim wrote:

Sven wrote:

Zuckerburg = Pinochet, Mubarak, etc.?

Are...you...bloody...serious?!?

You're right.    His spying machine is actually much better and more efficient.  He doesn't need to torture people to get them to reveal their secrets.   He gets them to do it voluntarily.


Michelle
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Unionist, if you're on Diaspora, look me up.  I just downloaded it to my Android phone (and no, it doesn't ask for any permissions other than access to internet!), so I'm hoping to be a lot more active on it.

The thing I've missed about Facebook is not being able to share photos with friends and family.  If I can get my family to get onto Diaspora, then hopefully I'll be able to at least share stuff with them that way.

And what I do like about Diaspora is how easy it is to put people in your contacts into categories (called "aspects") and to not mistakenly post something publicly that you only want, say, family to see, or activists to see, or whatever.  And you can put people into more than one category or all of them or just one, so that if you post a picture you only want family and close friends to see, the activist friend-of-a-friend that you don't know personally won't see it.  And if you want to post something political, you can choose your "activist" category only and only those contacts of yours that you have checked off on that list will see it, while your troglodyte third cousin George the dickwad baiter who makes holiday dinners a misery won't see it.

I know Facebook allows you to categorize your friends as well, but I remember it not being anywhere near as easy to filter your posts there.  Not to mention that Diaspora doesn't have those annoying sidebars that compromise your privacy when friends comment on your post, showing your post to their friends if you don't have convoluted privacy settings set perfectly. 

The privacy settings on Diaspora are easy.  Those who you have checked off see your posts.  Those you don't have checked off don't see them.  Period.


radiorahim
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Maysie wrote:

I have a profile on Diaspora. radiorahim got me to do it. I never go there though. No cool games yet.

Smile

 

Most of the cool games on FB also spy on you.  So, play the games if you want to, as long as you're aware of the spying.


Michelle
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Actually, what I like about Diaspora is that there are no games there (as far as I know).  The privacy issues were one reason I left Facebook, but the main reason is because the games were so damned addictive and such a time suck.  I don't miss the games at all, not even a little bit. 

Facebook games are kind of like a casino.  Most of them force you to accumulate points or items or game plays by either harassing your friends to participate constantly, or by paying money, or by logging in regularly and building them over the length of time you play the game or are logged in.  It's completely addictive, encourages you to spend so much time doing it, and pestering your friends to do it too.

Now I am back to just playing some of my tried-and-true games on my own computer that I play for a while until they get boring.  Then I turn my computer off and get on with real life, something I found myself doing less and less of, the more I got sucked into Facebook and their stupid, spying, addictive games.


ElizaQ
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Joined: May 27 2005

 

 Hey thanks for the info on Dispora!  I have an account now.  Going to work at getting my some of my facebook 'friends' to get on it too.  I already know several that will be into the non-corporate thing.


ElizaQ
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Michelle wrote:

Actually, what I like about Diaspora is that there are no games there (as far as I know).  The privacy issues were one reason I left Facebook, but the main reason is because the games were so damned addictive and such a time suck.  I don't miss the games at all, not even a little bit. 

Facebook games are kind of like a casino.  Most of them force you to accumulate points or items or game plays by either harassing your friends to participate constantly, or by paying money, or by logging in regularly and building them over the length of time you play the game or are logged in.  It's completely addictive, encourages you to spend so much time doing it, and pestering your friends to do it too.

Now I am back to just playing some of my tried-and-true games on my own computer that I play for a while until they get boring.  Then I turn my computer off and get on with real life, something I found myself doing less and less of, the more I got sucked into Facebook and their stupid, spying, addictive games.

There are a couple of games I occasionally play.  I know what you're talking about though. My Mom plays quite a bit and got me to try the ones she did and blam...I was spending way too long playing these things.  I love games so it wasn't hard sell.  Never paid real money though.  I never bugged my rl friends though unless they were already playing. I ended up getting lots of random people, stuck them in a 'games' list with privacy settings and played with them.   I ended up just stopping one day and deleteing all the games.   Now I have two games I play which at any one time give maybe 10 mins of play in a go.  I find them perfect for taking a small break with a cup of tea during the day.    My other non Facebook games are not good for short spurts of play lol.  I start them and then suddenly it's an hour later. 

I just figured out a plus to my facebook game mini-addiction though. I still have tons of the 'game' people sitting around on my list.  Now they'll all get to see my Dispora posts which I'll be sharing on Facebook.  lol


radiorahim
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ElizaQ wrote:

 

 Hey thanks for the info on Dispora!  I have an account now.  Going to work at getting my some of my facebook 'friends' to get on it too.  I already know several that will be into the non-corporate thing.

Right now you'll find that most Diaspora* users tend to be on the lefty side and so you'll feel quite at home!   Come on aboard and play...and be one of the really really cool kids Cool


Michelle
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That's a good point, about the games, Eliza!  I never friended people on Facebook that I didn't know either in real life, or from long acquaintence on babble, because I am picky about my privacy.  So I didn't have "just gaming" friends.  I probably would have been more successful at the games if I had! :)


Michelle
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P.S. I just posted a cute cat photo of rr and the cat.  See, this is what I missed about Facebook!  :D


Unionist
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Joined: Dec 11 2005

Ok radiorahim, or whoever else would like to tackle this question:

Can you give me a very quick blurb that I can send my innumerable Facebook and other friends along with a link to Diaspora*? I mean like 140 characters or less?

I want to be part of a freer future.

 


Michelle
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"Hi all! I'm moving over to Diaspora*, where privacy actually means something. All the sharing, none of the spying, and filled with non-corporate, open source, free software goodness!"

And I believe this pod is accepting new accounts, so you can give them this link:

https://diasp.org/users/sign_in

 


Boom Boom
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Joined: Dec 29 2004

I tried to create an account, but my ISP is really slow tonight - can't even get on Facebook right now, although all my other regular pages are downloading okay. Will try again tomorrow. Dialup is a drag.

ps: got an email from a friend earlier that said Win8 will cost $40.00 to upgrade from Win7! Surprised


Unionist
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Joined: Dec 11 2005

Thanks, Michelle!

 


writer
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Joined: Apr 11 2002

Michelle, I will try it! if others want to get in touch with me there, just let me know.


writer
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