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Premier McGuinty resigns

ctrl190
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Todrick of Chat...
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This is the best news I have heard all year.

 


Boom Boom
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I'm watching P&P, and they cut away to his announcement - my jaw dropped. First we get rid of Charest, now McGuinty. A good day. I hope the provincial NDP in Ontario really gets moving now - anything to stop Hudak.


ctrl190
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Twitter in a tizzy about McGuinty potentially throwing his hat into the federal leadership race.


Boom Boom
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I think McGuinty wants a low profile now because there's a huge scandal brewing.


ctrl190
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Some potential leadership candidates that come to mind:

 

Gerrard Kennedy

Glen Murray

Kathleen Wynne

George Smitherman

Yasir Naqvi

Chris Bentley

Deb Matthews


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I think he sees the writing on the wall that come next election the Ontario Liberals will follow in their federal brethren's footsteps and drop to third place.  He decided to abandon the sinking ship now while he still could.


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I wonder what the chances of him running for the leadership of the LPC are?


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ctrl190 wrote:

Twitter in a tizzy about McGuinty potentially throwing his hat into the federal leadership race.

Dalton-mania!

Boom Boom
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On CTV: Both Hudak and Horwath highly critical of the prorogation - completely unnecessary. Horwath suspects it's because of the contempt motion - or whatever it is - over moving a gas plant - something I know nothing about.

CTV's Power Play is covering this right now.  George Smitherman is a guest.


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Well if we look at how Harper has used prorogation, it's about damage control. So yeah; it's because of the gas plant scandal IMV. Otherwise, why now?

On the CBC news, a couple of potential leadership candidates were discussed, including many of the ones listed by ctrl190 in post #5. Here's another one they suggested - hang on to your socks: Michael Bryant.


ctrl190
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Take it for what it's worth...

CP - 'Federal Liberal leadership campaign building around Ontario premier: sources'

http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/canada/federal+liberal+leadership+campai...


Boom Boom
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Next to go: Christy Clark


infracaninophile
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Good riddance!  

Definitely an attempt to exit before the roof crashes in.  I don't know how reliable this analysis is (which I read about a week ago, and which made me consider then that Dalton might be on the way out), but the math makes sense:

http://thelittleeducationreport.com/ "Could the Ontario Liberals be Reduced to Just 3 Seats?"


Sineed
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I don't know - when the federal Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats, there was a level of visceral hatred amongst the electorate I just don't see here. The level of corruption in Dalton's gov't looks like the usual sort you see after a party has been in power for long enough.


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Boom Boom wrote:

On CTV: Both Hudak and Horwath highly critical of the prorogation - completely unnecessary. Horwath suspects it's because of the contempt motion - or whatever it is - over moving a gas plant - something I know nothing about.

 

There is that, but much more importantly it's to stop the opposition from voting non-confidence in the government before the Liberals can select and install a new leader.


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I'm thinking that there is more to this than just the contempt of parliament but real corruption coming forward soon to a govt near you. I look at what is happening to the inquiry with kickbacks, and the mob with the lib govt there and wonder about that corruption coming to light in good old liberal ontario.

I also wonder about Dalton taking the hit for the libs and running for the federal liberal leadership - a faux run - but to help his little buddy out - Justin.

Remember little Justin did a cute robocall for McGuinty in the Kitchener/Waterloo byelection in September in Ontario - a cool NDP pickup of a long time held Conservative seat that the Libs flipped to try to get a majority but the political gamemanship backfired big time when he decided to screw the education community.

See Justin robocall - Captain Canada (Robo)calling: Ontario Liberals deploy Justin Trudeau to deliver national unity-themed anti-NDP pitch in Kitchener by-election

What was so stupid about this robocall is that Trudeau's call for his friend Dalton liberal wanted the to vote liberal so that Dalton could "remove the charter rights of teachers to bargain collectively". Now that was crazy. Says how much he thinks of his Dad's signature legislation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

So perhaps, to help his buddy who appears as ethically challenged as McGuinty, is step not provincially and run a fake federal campaign and make Justin's corrination less obvious.

And yeah, I do think Liberals are that stupid!


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peterjcassidy
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ctrl190 wrote:

Some potential leadership candidates that come to mind:

 

Gerrard Kennedy

Glen Murray

Kathleen Wynne

George Smitherman

Yasir Naqvi

Chris Bentley

Deb Matthews

 

Bob Rae??


Stockholm
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I hear Michael Bryant needs a job - perhaps he can run!


Brachina
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peterjcassidy wrote:

ctrl190 wrote:

Some potential leadership candidates that come to mind:

 

Gerrard Kennedy

Glen Murray

Kathleen Wynne

George Smitherman

Yasir Naqvi

Chris Bentley

Deb Matthews

 

Bob Rae??

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I'd love that, Andrea Horwath vs. Bob Rae. I hope this also means Dalton runs federally and brings his scandals with him. I am annoyed though that this means no spring election. This is also bad news for Hudak, it gives the Tories a chance to dump him. I really didn't think Dalton would do anything this crazy as resigning as Premier during a minority. And Progueing is just rotten, basically abaddoning Ontario to fend for itself, the Gods hope that no major crisis happens in the mean time. Use it to remind people of Harper.

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After reading through all the comments I think I can now safely add a word or two.

First, I think this should be a moment to seize upon by the progressive left, meaning groups like students fighting for ultimately publicly funded post-secondary education and the NDP, should act now, and perhaps consider working in concert, although it is well known amongst progressive people that the NDP still needs encouragement on these points, so perhaps some extra coaxing may be in order. Whether this happens is another story.

Second, its been said that the CAW President Ken Lewenza has spoken well of McGuinty in light of his efforts for the auto industry I gather(?). I wonder regardless what Sam Gindin, former Assistant to the President of the CAW and current professor at York University, thinks about McGuinty's track record, because I Imagine he's probably not as fond of his role. Although McGuinty might have done small measures like urge Catapillar back to the bargaining table with CAW before McGuinty's measures ultimately failed with the closure of the plant, I gather that Dalton showed good intentions and that's why CAW President Ken Lewenza spoke well of him? I know Gindin felt the workers should've taken over that plant and not allowed it to be senselessly shut down. I know Sam Gindin has written with Leo Panitch about global capitalism, and I can imagine Dalton's other actions to freeze public sector wages being seen by Gindin as innefectual for solving the current capitalist crisis of rising unemployment in a market where no one wants to spend and so nothing is improving and the wage freezes are only making it more difficult for the economy to get get back on its feet again when wages are frozen or decreased through two tiered wage systems, etc. This in fact is me extrapolating from knowledge coming from the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, stating these kinds of policies, McGuinty-like policies, are what are at the root of our economic troubles.

Here's the report explained:

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&I...

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&I...

This should be the time to fight for higher wages, and especially because of the prorougation, it is perhaps time to protest this as an attempt by McGuinty to put pressure on settling wage freeze agreements, but instead the pressure should be put on McGuinty for trying such an underhanded move to secure ill advised decisions for an economy that needs higher wages, not lower ones.

Here's the idea though, no support for this position can be secured by the public without their inclusion in higher wages, so this argument has to be extended ultimately to see that autoworkers making more to build cars that still not the rest of the public can afford asside from guaranteeing car makers can still buy their own constructions, overall this won't do too much to improve these manufacturing industries unless more than just the workers in the factories are able to buy cars as well.

Perhaps we don't want to talk about these polluting vehicles all too much, but the same wage freeze and two-tier pay systems have the same adverse effects on other jobs as well, and not just those in manufacturing. Where are we expecting to send all this stuff that we build but are fast becoming too poor to afford all of it ourselves? As explained in some of those links, if every country is trying to lower wages and make profits by exporting products elsewhere, then its going to boil down to there not really being anyone to sell our stuff to. It seems rather that every country has an obligation to ensure that its citizens get paid enough so that their economy can improve and their soceity with it. This is something that should be encouraged in international development plans as well as local municipal and nation economic models.

PErhaps throughout all of this, the NDP will gain a further footing in Ontario, which would be nice. XD


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Stockholm wrote:

I hear Michael Bryant needs a job - perhaps he can run!

Some pundit on CTV speculated about Bryant running last night.  Wouldn't surprise me if he was considering it - he's been going to a lot of trouble to rehabilitate himself in the public eye, and I can't imagine he'd bother unless he was planning to get into politics again at some point.  According to this pundit, Bryant is still attending high-powered Liberal events.

Anyhow, I don't think much of McGuinty proroguing Queen's Park for a Liberal leadership election.  Pretty sad.

But it's really amusing watching all the apoplectic Conservative pundits and politicians whining about it.  Hypocrisy knows no bounds with Conservatives - I'm sure they had no problem at all with Harper when he did it twice.


adma
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Actually, I think Bryant's successor Eric Hoskins should also be viewed as a dark horse contender...


nicky
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There is some speculation, notably by Warren Kinsella, that McGuinty may run for the federal Liberal leadership.

This seems quite improbable to me for any number of reasons:

1. Why wd he want it?

2. Trudeau seems to have a lock on it.

3. McGuinty will be seen as abandoning Ontario politics beseiged by scandals and with his tail between his legs.

4. Poor French ability.

I am not certain about the latter but have no memory of him ever speaking French in public. can anyone comment on his French ability?


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Where would we be without Rob Ford weighing in?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/10/15/toronto-mayor-for...

With Rob Ford, you not only get a Mayor of Toronto, you also get the power of premonition!

 


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Someone asked on FB if the Speaker (or someone...) would actually grant McGuinty the prorogation.


Unionist
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nicky wrote:

I am not certain about the latter but have no memory of him ever speaking French in public. can anyone comment on his French ability?

I can't say whether he has improved since 2007:

http://youtu.be/X8_UTdv9meg

 


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I think the NDP can seize the agenda too, but a lot depends on how the Liberals position themselves.

Things DO have to improve for the province. With the legacy of Bob Rae not far from peoples' minds, the Provincial NDP is in the same boat as the Federal NDP. People are starting to realize that the NDP is the only party that's looking out for working people. But the same people have bought into powerful myths about "fiscal conservatism".

If the NDP can come up with a credible way to get the budget back on track (not even balance it), they can seize the agenda. A real alternative to austerity. François Hollande is showing a credible way forward, although France is not Ontario, and the Eurozone is not Canada.


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This latest use of prorogation just highlights that Canada is not a functioning democracy.  BC's legislation is not going to sit until just before a budget is introduced in late February and the election campaign will start then.  There are issues arising almost daily that the OO has no opportunity to raise in the forum that is supposed to be our democratic means of representation.

The whole point of a parliamentary "democracy" is that representatives of the people can speak to the actions of the Crown. When that function is taken away then there is no democratic means for the people to bring their grievances to the "King."

Canadian democracy is a sham that more and more people just consider to be irrelevant.  These actions will just lead to further disengagement by the public in the electoral process however IMO the powers that be do not think that is a bad thing.


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