You're right to be suspicious of PA2K, Thwap. Sometimes I'm not sure myself.
I can tell you this: I worked for a large union for 5 years. In that time I saw some horrible things. I've come to the conclusion that human collectives cannot operate according to their ideals. It just gets too complicated and everyone's looking for the victim position according to the mainifesto.
In my experience with grassroots organisations, It's pretty clear to me that one person can render the group useless by forever sighting scripture or constantly taking the contrarion position so that in their theoretical world, no one's feelings get hurt.
Talking pie in the sky Utopia is all fun and good but it won't get us out of this mess.
OK, NDP fiscal responsibility, myth or reality, the electorate is not buying it.