Chaos is the point

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Toby Fourre
Chaos is the point

 

Toby Fourre

Keith Gottschalk has it right, chaos is the point. [url=http://www.rabble.ca/columnists_full.shtml?x=56422]Rabble Columns[/url] Chaos keeps the owners occupied while the corporatist pirates to ransack and loot.

The public, particularly the American public, has been led to believe that Bush's war plans have failed. To the contrary, I believe that we are witnessing an overwhelming success, for the corporatist pirates.

Legless-Marine

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Originally posted by Toby Fourre:
[b]Keith Gottschalk has it right, chaos is the point. [url=http://www.rabble.ca/columnists_full.shtml?x=56422]Rabble Columns[/url] Chaos keeps the owners occupied while the corporatist pirates to ransack and loot.

The public, particularly the American public, has been led to believe that Bush's war plans have failed. To the contrary, I believe that we are witnessing an overwhelming success, for the corporatist pirates.[/b]


I do agree.

And likewise a success for the Zionists, who have seen a potential threat neutralized, while further balkanizing the ME.

And likewise a success for the Military/Industrial complex, who have profited from the need for munitions.

There always seems to be an eagerness to define THE driving factor for the invasion of Iraq. This self-imposed constraint is false. It was a convergence of several agendas from several different sectors that lead to the war.

Fidel

Chaos and profiteering rein merrily. Bang on, Keith.

Abdul_Maria

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The public, particularly the American public, has been led to believe that Bush's war plans have failed. To the contrary, I believe that we are witnessing an overwhelming success, for the corporatist pirates.[/QB]

good point. things are going according to plan.

American foreign policy is to kill civilians.

Cueball Cueball's picture

I disargee with this arguement. Chaos was not the point.

The US occupation of Iraq was taken up, not with the intent of creating chaos, but with conditions attached which actually made the establishment of some kind of order in Iraq impossible. So, there was no plan to create chaos, but there were certain possibility which the US mandate diallowed because they contravened the mission guidlines.

Chiefly among these disallowed options were things like the continuance of any of the previous Iraqi power structures, such as the pre-war army and the Bathe party, both of which were dibanded by CPA immediatly after driving the most activist core of these parties underground, even though it might well have been possible to do what the US did in Japan, after WW2 which was selectively remove unfriendly elements from these organization, leaving the essential structure intact.

Hence in Japan Hirohito continued as emperor while miliatrists such as Tojo were arrested and tried.

The most sailent of these "disallowed options" was the diabanding of the Iraqi army, since it is apparent that the US made significant efforts to contact "friendly" members of the general staff, and as the army made quite public overtures about co-operating with the US after the fall of Saddam.

The primary reason that these organizations were disbanded exactly because they might have formed the nucleus of a latently powerful industrial Iraqi state, one that would no doubt inherit a number of traits which the US government could not conscience, such as continued opposition to Israeli policy against Palestinians, and nationalist attitudes to Iraq's substantial natural resources.

Thus because certain potential outcomes were not allowed chaos was the result, because built in Iraqi views will forever be in contradiction to the type of regieme the US is seeking to impose.

[ 19 January 2007: Message edited by: Cueball ]

a lonely worker

Here are some sobering articles of the situation on the ground floor of who has benefited and who hasn't through the chaos:
[url=http://www.antiwar.com/ips/chatterjee.php?articleid=10357]What They Asked For, They Did Not Get [/url]

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The convoy of flatbed trucks picked up its cargo at Baghdad International Airport last spring and sped northwest, stacked high with crates of expensive medical equipment .

But instead of being delivered to 150 brand-new Primary Health Care centers (PHCs) as originally planned, the Eagle Global Logistics vehicles were directed to drop them off at a storage warehouse in Abu Ghraib.

Not only did some of the equipment arrive damaged at the warehouse, owned by PWC of Kuwait, one in 14 crates was missing, according to the delivery documents. The shipment was fairly typical: Military auditors would later calculate that roughly 46 percent of some 70 million dollars in medical equipment deliveries made to the Abu Ghraib warehouse last spring had missing or damaged crates or contained boxes that were mislabeled or not labeled at all.

Not that it really mattered. Just over three weeks before the Apr. 27 delivery, the US Army Corps of Engineers had canceled the construction of 130 of the 150 PHCs for which the materiel was intended. As a result, the equipment that could help diagnose and treat Iraqi illness (and escalating bomb or gun injuries) now sits idle waiting for someone to figure out what to do with it.

But if Iraqis have failed to benefit from the idle PHCs, the 70-million-dollar contract to supply them has been a shot in the arm for Parsons Global. The Pasadena, California-based engineering company reaped a 3.3-million-dollar profit according to an audit report issued by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR), an independent US government agency. And that is in addition to the 186 million dollars that US taxpayers shelled out to Parsons to build dozens of clinics that have yet to dispense a single aspirin.

While the new buildings remain uncompleted and millions of dollars worth of expensive equipment are stored under lock and key, a dwindling number of doctors at existing hospitals perform operations without basic supplies of disinfectant and anaesthesia. A severe shortage of nurses further imperils patient care.

"They told us that they had money for seven PHCs in Irbil, three in Dohuk. We were asked where they should build them, that's all," said Dr. Ahmed. "We didn't approve it but we accepted it without interference because it was part of the plan for all of Iraq. They simply asked us for the numbers and locations. What we asked for, we did not get," he said, noting that the ministry would have preferred repair of existing facilities.

The auditors snapped pictures of poorly placed roof beams, honeycombed concrete, walls made of brick fragments held together with plaster, and staircases crumbling into dust even before they were finished.

The SIGIR auditors also questioned Parsons' progress reports. One building, declared 56 percent complete, was a shell of uneven bricks. Another floor that was balanced on wooden sticks was listed as half complete, according to the SIGIR report.

By the time the contract was canceled on Apr. 3, 2006, Parsons had completed only six clinics. Project managers estimated that another 14 could eventually be completed and equipped.

Congressman Chris Van Hollen, a Maryland Democrat, questioned Ernest Robbins, the manager of Parson's Iraq project: "What is the recourse for the taxpayer under these circumstances? Don't you think that Parsons, given what has turned out to be a very shoddy job, should return some of its profits to the taxpayer"?

Robbins told the Congressional hearing: "No, sir, I will not."


All what was missing was the line "but if you will pay my corporation another 186 million I'm sure we could fix it."

A group of prominent doctors in the UK have written this scathing letter about the state of corporatised health care in Iraq:

[url=http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2165471.ece]Iraq now a third world country in medicine[/url]

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"We are concerned that children are dying in Iraq for want of medical treatment. Iraq, instead of being a country at the top of the league for medicine, as it once was, now has conditions and mortality of a Third World country.

Sick or injured children, who could otherwise be treated by simple means, are left to die in their hundreds because they do not have access to basic medicines or other resources.

This Resolution recognised the UK and US as being occupying powers in Iraq but also stated that they had to comply with the Geneva and Hague Conventions. These Conventions specifically require the occupying powers to maintain order and to look after the medical needs of the population. This they failed to do

We also ask the UK, as one of the Occupying Powers designated by Resolution 1483 as Trustees of "The Development Fund For Iraq," to properly account for these assets estimated at $23bn in May 2003. It is asserted that by June 2004 some $14bn vanished in corruption, theft and payment to mercenaries.

We ask that all the revenues from Iraq's oil now pass directly to the Iraqi people, and that illegal contracts entered into by the Coalition Provisional Authority are revoked.

Only in this way can the Iraqi people rebuild their country with its infrastructure, administration, and hospitals."


I'm sure Tony will get back to it and Cindy Sheehan's letter from last year as soon as he's done his meeting with Exxon. They're just finishing the draft on the wholesale privatisation of the Iraqi oil fields.

[url=http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/world/16489842.htm]"Iraq readies law aimed to draw investors"[/url]

Chaos is indeed very profitable.

[ 19 January 2007: Message edited by: a lonely worker ]

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

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civil war was not only expected but hoped for?

I would say stoked.

Fidel

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Originally posted by Cueball:
[b]I disargee with this arguement. Chaos was not the point.

The US occupation of Iraq was taken up, not with the intent of creating chaos, but with conditions attached which actually made the establishment of some kind of order in Iraq impossible. So, there was no plan to create chaos, but there were certain possibility which the US mandate diallowed because they contravened the mission guidlines.[/b]


Ironically, your second paragraph proceeds into chaos and descends into one of the most bizarro analogies I think I've read of yours, Cue. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

First of all, we have Iraqgate, which the Clinton cabal just seemed to sort of drop pass to nobody at mid ice. Ok, scratch that since nobody here talks about it either.

Ok, we'll get straight to the good stuff. The imperialist bastards needed a weak stoogocratic government in place, similar to what we have in Alberta and Ottawa, in order to sign the long-term PSA's. Iraq wasn't just meant to be U.S. military base number 899 or whatever it's up to now. Iraq is home to the world's second largest proven oil reserves. And they don't want Iraq and Iran joining the real, off-the-books axes of evol, the Shanghai Co-operation Organization as Keith points out. Remember what happened to Ahmed Shah Massood for his falling out of love with the CIA and swinging over to the SCO.

And as Keith says, the chaotic environment, the civil war, was a beautiful cover for profiteering, the private security agencies making a killing, the former Latin American death squad recruits, who some went and some stayed home because the pay was discriminatory. And the Haliburton no-bid contracts, god! What a gold mine the American taxpayers are. This is socialism for the rich. This is why the bastards don't want real laissez-faire economic Darwinism back again, ever.

[ 19 January 2007: Message edited by: Fidel ]

Cueball Cueball's picture

I hardly see how the Japanese occupation analogy is bizaro, since it was used pften trumpeted as a shining example of the US ability to defeat an enemy, stabalize and then create a phoenix from the ashes, in realtion to ths specific case of "post war" Iraq.

First, foremost and last, you seem to think I am saying that the US chose the same approsch as they did in Japan. I am arguing that they did [b]not,[/b] even though the option was available to them to do so.

That is what happend when you don't read stuff.

So, If you want guys want to indulge in the satanic desire theory of chaos and disroder, just because satan likes it that way, feel free.

The falacy of your theory of course lies in the need you have to assert the existence of a cohesive plan, where the outcome is determined through the execution of series of acts which have foreable consquences. It is in fact your need to make sense of the events, which makes it hard for you to make sense of it.

There is chaos, therefore someone must have indended it to be so. But what is chaos, if not something that is completely out of control? The conclusion of the argument defies the logic which predicts the conclusion.

What confounds such theories, of course, is that they never take into account human falibility and the unforeseable.

Worst of all what you don't see is that your belief that the Bush adminstration is an ominscient cabal pursuing faltless zero sum starategies (there is chaos, therefore someone must have indended it to be so) is in fact exactly the kind of thing they want you to believe.

[ 21 January 2007: Message edited by: Cueball ]

Fidel

"Ashes", yes. That about sums up the incineration of several hundred thousand human beings in Hiroshima and Nagasaki by a handful of megalomaniacal psychopaths several decades ago. It wasn't about saving lives, it was about making an impression on Stalin(your window to a tangential rant about diabolical evil)

And I think the devil's trident today consists of three demonically-possessed entities grouped separately and creating false market demand for death and destruction in countries which would otherwise lapse into prolonged periods of peace and prosperity without an invisible fist to guide them. And if I gaze into the mirror long and hard enough over several hours on a relatively calm day without sun spots, I can see into the abyss of the paleoconservative world of chaos and disorder. And I see an unholy trinity consisting of:

1. A cosmetic leader, the President
The NSC, the Senate and House Armed Services Committees, and the civilian agencies with annual budgets larger than many countries GDP's: the CIA and NSA, and now the bloated bureaucracy to protect corporate America from frivelous FOI requests and meddling civilians in general, Homeland Security Dept.

2. Military agencies, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, top generals in all branches of military. And then there are, of course,

3. approximately 90 thousand corporations and contractors also existing parasitically off the backs of U.S. taxpayers and lobbying chiefs of military to buy weapons of megadeath and mass destruction at inflated prices. And the government sometimes turns around and sells the odd dozen or more SAM missiles to pariah states. And this is important, the weapons are sometimes sold at "deflated" prices for the purpose of avoiding the pariah state asking for receipts for tax purposes(wink), like Iran. The covert funds can then be used to wage proxy wars on small Latin American countries when it appears as though leftist rebels are about to overthrow corrupt and oppressive regimes.

And a general rule of thumb is, the upside-down socialism never has to make fiscal sense. That's the beauty of Keynesian-militarism, the taxpayers are the one's left holding the bag while friends of the Party make out like bandits.

So there's the structure of "the beast"(wink-wink nod-nod). It's all dressed up and nowhere to go but into poor countries softened up by years of extra-territorial medieval siege and ripe for carpet bombing in order to remove one or maybe five guys, who are typically former CIA point men gone from bad to worse. Or something like that. At least, this is what I felt would be appropriate in response to your chaotic prose just prior. Unprecedented riches and power mongering are, in my mind, far more believable motives for imperialist maneuvering. Moreso than some serreptitious route and diabolical conniving low road to nation-building or whatever it is they've pawned off onto a gullible public, who sometimes search for reasons to believe in the imperialist agenda. I'm not saying the ultra right are immoral, Cue, I'm saying they are amoral. If there [i]is[/i] such a thing as evil, then the neo-con right meet and exceed all the basic criteria.

[ 21 January 2007: Message edited by: Fidel ]

nister

I think it plausible that Bush is prodding Iran because he fears Iranian peacemaking. Iran stands to win the peace, whenever that happens..and however that happens.

American military might was to provide leibensraum for Israel, and a profit centre in Haifa. Syria cowed, Shell+Exxon+BP returned to the roost, and America's nascent challengers for oil hamstrung. Instead, now America can't "win" until it withdraws, leaving behind a well-equipped, well-trained force that will dance to Iran's tunes.

Blowback can be a bitch.

Cougyr

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. . . civil war was not only expected but hoped for?

Rumsfeld pushed aside all the experts, including military planners, who tried to raise the civil war outcome as probable. Anybody who has disagreed with the Bushies has had to leave or shut up.