Budapest prosecutor wants Hungarian fascists disbanded
Sun, 2007-12-30 16:24
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Budapest prosecutor wants Hungarian fascists disbanded
Sun, 2007-12-30 16:24
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Those whom the world seems to neglect. Much anti-Roma sentiment evident at rally of fascists:
[url=http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/view.php?id=6357]http://www.pinknews.co.u...
Mon, 2007-12-31 12:30
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Budapest's prosecutor has accused a far-right group recently established in the country of racism, homophobia and anti-Semitism and asked a court to disband it.Magyar Garda, or Hungarian Guard, held an anti-Roma rally earlier this month, where they marched in neo-Nazi uniforms.
A spokesman for the prosecutor’s office said the group was guilty of generating fear among minority groups, specifically the Roma, who make up 5% of the Hungarian population.
"Freedom of association cannot get in the way of another's rights or freedom," he said.
Magyar Guard was founded in August by a small political party of around 600 members called Jobbik.
The guard has virulently homophobic views.
The founding members of Magyar Garda took oaths of allegance in front of over a thousand supporters of the Jobbik party waving red and white striped Arpad flags, similar to those used by the country's pro-Nazi Arrow Cross regime during the Second World War.
Jobbik supporters protested at Budapest's gay pride march in July, throwing eggs and bottles at marchers.
"If the Magyar Guard manages to legitimise itself over the longer term... more such groups will be formed and it will cause a strong fear in the public in a young democracy which still needs to be developed rather than challenged," Zoltan Fleck, professor of the sociology of law at Budapest's ELTE university, said in August.
Hungary joined the European Union in 2004. New laws to legalise same-sex marriage are at the draft stage.
Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany condemned the creation of the paramilitary group saying it is "the disgrace of Hungary and Hungarian democracy".
Mon, 2007-12-31 17:51
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Even as a child in England, the bigotry was openly expressed - though I'm sure in many cases, not recognized as such, and therefor without evil intent.
Miscreant children would be told that, if their behavior didn't change, the Gypsies would come and take them away. This young tyrant thought that was never anything but BS, but the universal smearing clearly caught on.
Why is it that so much anti-Roma bigotry has gone unchallenged?
Had that rally been specifically anti-Semitic or anti-gay instead of, as it was, anti-Roma, I wonder how the message board response might have differed. It's not unique to [i]this[/i] board. The same rally referred to elsewhere has yielded one response.
I heard it once suggested that the disdain for the Gypsy resulted from their being seen (by we wage slaves) as free spirits. This would no doubt have been accompanied by considerable romanticizing.
Mon, 2007-12-31 18:10
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Me old mum mentioned there being Gypsies in Southern Yorkshire when she was growing up in the late 1930's and 40's. They parked their caravans for free at Gypsy Lane. They would knock on doors selling clothes pins, bits and bobs. Gypsy Lane near where mum grew up would become a haven for the hippies and their magic buses some time later. Me rellys said hippies made things difficult for Gypsies because they wouldn't clean up after themselves.
Mon, 2007-12-31 18:35
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Yes, and some would tell fortunes if you crossed their palms with silver. I don't doubt your "rellys", just as mine, would have been familiar with the Romany song:
[b]Where my caravan has rested[/b]
Words: E.F. Lochart
Music: Jake Walton
Where my caravan has rested
Flowers I leave you on the grass
All the flowers of love and memory
You will find them as you pass
You will understand their message
Stoop to kiss them where they lie
But if other lips have loved you shed
Shed no tear and pass them by
Tue, 2008-01-01 02:30
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RevolutionPlease
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Originally posted by bliter:
[b]Why is it that so much anti-Roma bigotry has gone unchallenged?
Had that rally been specifically anti-Semitic or anti-gay instead of, as it was, anti-Roma, I wonder how the message board response might have differed. It's not unique to [i]this[/i] board. The same rally referred to elsewhere has yielded one response.
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Most responses here, usually try to justify or deny the racism.
Tue, 2008-01-01 08:55
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RP:
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Most responses here, usually try to justify or deny the racism.
Really? Rather too few to poll - don't you think?
Wed, 2008-01-02 05:29
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Originally posted by bliter:
[b]RP:Really? Rather too few to poll - don't you think?[/b]
Unfortunately, its true that most discussion of racism here, tend to justify the status quo. Which deny or justifies the silencing of the voices of the racialised members of society.
With regard to the Roma, the were historically called Gypsies because they were mistaken as Egyptians (North Africans). The name Egypt was shortened to racist nickname Gypsy.
Wed, 2008-01-02 08:43
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While searching for the song [i]Oh play to me, Gypsy[/i] found this:
[url=http://www.openwriting.com/archives/2004/04/a_round_of_song.php]http://w...
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Also, why should someone voice the appeal, ‘Oh, play to me, Gypsy?’ Everybody’s mother said gypsies pinched children and ran off with them, and we knew for a fact that gypsy peg-hawkers gave the evil eye to any housewife who didn’t patronise them. But we never saw anyone transformed into a frog. We would have enjoyed seeing that. We knew a few women for whom we would have willingly paid the price of transformation had we possessed the wherewithal.
Of course, there is much racism committed against the Roma, but referring to Gypsy/Gypsies as racism is a stretch.
There is/was the Gypsy King and a book of the same name.
edited to add link
[ 02 January 2008: Message edited by: bliter ]
Wed, 2008-01-02 08:59
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I have read this thread intently, I didn't weigh in not out of any lack of concern for anti-Roma racism, but simply because I had nothing to add. Discrimination is rife against Roma people in Central Europe, over 60 years after the Nazi genocide. These creeps also distinguished themselves in their support for their old comrade Ernst Zundel, organising rallies for him at the Canadian embassy in Budapest. Fascist shite.
I'd always avoided the term "Gypsy" too, but I have met some Roma who reclaim it proudly.