Palin, Mallick, feminism: rabble shock & awe
Fri, 2008-09-12 04:46
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Palin, Mallick, feminism: rabble shock & awe
Fri, 2008-09-12 04:46
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It seems to me that babblers have come to a new order of understanding of just what is happening south of our border.
Would anyone care to try a grand synthesis and give a name to that new understanding (hopefully incorporating all of the factors)?
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By Rebecca Traister
(...) The pro-woman rhetoric surrounding Sarah Palin's nomination is a grotesque bastardization of everything feminism has stood for, and in my mind, more than any of the intergenerational pro- or anti-Hillary crap that people wrung their hands over during the primaries, Palin's candidacy and the faux-feminism in which it has been wrapped are the first development that I fear will actually imperil feminism.
Because if adopted as a narrative by this nation and its women, it could not only subvert but erase the meaning of what real progress for women means, what real gender bias consists of, what real discrimination looks like. (...)
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[ 12 September 2008: Message edited by: George Victor ]
[ 12 September 2008: Message edited by: George Victor ]
Fri, 2008-09-12 05:06
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Contrarianna's take on it is now within the range of rational understanding of what is developing:
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It seems Death-cult Armageddonist Palin would prefer a hot war with Russia so as not to "repeat a cold war".
No problem. She will be whisked merrily up to her Heaven on a mushroom cloud while ye of incorrect faith can go to Hell.quote:
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AP NewsSep 11, 2008 17:29 EST
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin left open the option Thursday of waging war with Russia if it were to invade neighboring Georgia and the former Soviet republic were a NATO ally.
"We will not repeat a Cold War," Palin said in her first television interview since becoming Republican John McCain's vice presidential running mate two weeks ago....
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Fri, 2008-09-12 05:33
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Haha, i like this line from [url=http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=784929]Palin[/url]:
"I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink,"
Fri, 2008-09-12 05:40
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She sounds like The Decider.
Fri, 2008-09-12 05:58
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Really like to know how National Post readers respond to that story - while many among us are having to go change our drawers.
Fri, 2008-09-12 06:14
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I'm allergic to the National Post.
Fri, 2008-09-12 06:22
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oops, sorry... i posted from an unapproved news source. [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/us/politics/12palin.html?_r=1&hp&oref=...'s the same quote from the NY Times.
Fri, 2008-09-12 06:40
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It has nothing to do with it being 'unapproved" so much as it has with being a mouth piece for the Right. Since I'm no where near Right, I refuse to support their "news".
Personally, I think all this talk about Palin is giving her more publicity than she warrants.
I myself, bow out of all Palin threads from here on in.
Fri, 2008-09-12 06:43
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Still like to know how National Post Regular Readers respond to that story.
If there is no challenge by the readership to Palin's or U.S. Republican Party sanity, then we are indeed in for "interesting" times.
Fri, 2008-09-12 06:59
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National Post readers are hardly representative of the majority of Canadians. Although it may be interesting to see what Neanderthals come out of the wood work.
Fri, 2008-09-12 07:01
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I've been monitoring... they don't have comments open on their regular news stories, and they haven't got an opinion piece on it yet. Still waiting. I'm expecting the official line will be reprimanding. It's the same as George W.'s policy of official ignorance, but on the first interview... geez.
But they may choose to ignore it altogether. If they do post an opinion piece with comments, i'll keep you posted.
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Fri, 2008-09-12 07:06
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"But they may choose to ignore it altogether. If they do post an opinion piece with comments, i'll keep you posted."
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Great. Letters to the editor would also be helpful.
Fri, 2008-09-12 07:12
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"National Post readers are hardly representative of the majority of Canadians."
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Thank, er, uh....God?
But, then, we're kinda shocked that someone with Palin's views is put forward as VP candidate, eh? At least, I am!
Should not our mainstream media - any time now - reflect this nation's revulsion and horror? Fear and loathing?
Something?
Or are we all in shock and awe?
Fri, 2008-09-12 08:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
[b]National Post readers are hardly representative of the majority of Canadians. Although it may be interesting to see what Neanderthals come out of the wood work.[/b]
We, of the [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=21&t=001978]N... Memorial Society[/url] take issue with specist linking of our departed betters with the more embarrassing displays of homo sappy.
Fri, 2008-09-12 08:29
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Glorious. I needed that. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Fri, 2008-09-12 10:07
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Good one!
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We, of the Neanderthal Memorial Society take issue with specist linking of our departed betters with the more embarrassing displays of homo sappy.
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Fri, 2008-09-12 14:14
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Here's what Bageant blog readers are seeing - and it's also kinda funny:
[QUOTE]
Why Rednecks May Rule the World
This article originally appeared on the web site of BBC Radio.
By Joe Bageant
During this US election cycle we are hearing a lot from the pundits and candidates about "heartland voters," and "white working class voters."
What they are talking about are rednecks. But in their political correctness, media types cannot bring themselves to utter the word "redneck." So I'll say it for them: redneck-redneck-redneck-redneck.
The fact is that we American rednecks embrace the term in a sort of proud defiance. To us, the term redneck indicates a culture we were born in and enjoy. So I find it very interesting that politically correct people have taken it upon themselves to protect us from what has come to be one of our own warm and light hearted terms for one another.
On the other hand, I can quite imagine their concern, given what's at stake in the upcoming election. We represent at least a third of all voters and no US president has ever been elected without our support.
Consequently, rednecks have never had so many friends or so much attention as in 2008. Contrary to the stereotype, we are not all tobacco chawing, guffawing Southerners...
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It's what he says in his book, and Europeans are now listening raptly to what he says, given what's occurring down there. A team from Italy just finished recording a for TV bit, and he's appearing next week to speak to Edinburghians.
But trying in Canada to understand what's been developing (and assiduously developed) in the U.S.these many moons ? Heavens no. Nasty stuff.
Just call it all fascism in quintessential left analysis. Job done.
Fri, 2008-09-12 15:29
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Why Rednecks May Rule the World
Red-necks "may rule the world", but we, of the Neanderthal Memorial Society, prefer the more thoughtful and dignified display of the red-rumped baboon.
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Fri, 2008-09-12 15:50
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Pardon the response time.Had to pull myself up off the floor first.
Thanks muchly. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Fri, 2008-09-12 15:59
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Frustrated Mess
Here's a short break from leftwing puritanism ...
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Despite denials by the Palin campaign, new evidence proves that as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Sarah Palin had a direct hand in imposing fees to pay for post-sexual assault medical exams conducted by the city to gather evidence.Palin's role is now confirmed by Wasilla City budget documents available online.
Under Sarah Palin's administration, Wasilla cut funds that had previously paid for the medical exams and began charging victims or their health insurers the $500 to $1200 fees. Although Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella wrote USA Today earlier this week that the GOP vice presidential nominee "does not believe, nor has she ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test...To suggest otherwise is a deliberate misrepresentation of her commitment to supporting victims and bringing violent criminals to justice," Palin, as mayor, fired police chief Irl Stambaugh and replaced him with Charlie Fannon, who with Palin's knowledge, slashed the budget for the exams and began charging the city's victims of sexual assault. The city budget documents demonstrate Palin read and signed off on the new budget. A year later, alarmed Alaska lawmakers passed legislation outlawing the practice.
[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-institute... Post[/url]
... back at it ... is Mallick a misogynistic, self-hating woman or what?
Fri, 2008-09-12 16:12
#22
I was hoping that the Mallick incident could be subsumed in an attempt at understanding the big picture (including babble's reaction) FM.
In fact, I was rather hoping that you'd take a shot at doing just that.
The concern out there is reaching a new order of magnitude, and I think that Heather Mallick's language reflects that. But let's not parse her sentences again.
Have the media been so afraid to tell us about developments out there that this media-dependent population is only now coming to see the monster that you have been busily describing for some time now...since I came aboard last fall, at least.
Fri, 2008-09-12 16:14
#23
Well, Redneck been rehabilitated and reclaimed as a charming toothless identity. How'bout Peckerwood, Hayseed, Cracker, Ku Kluxer....
The most depressing part of this election is the passive observance of America's intellectual flotsam as they regard Obama. I read one story today about a fellow in West Virginia, a longtime member of UMW one of America's most progressive unions, saying "..I couldn't vote for a Muslim. "When the gentleman was corrected he said "I don't care, he's Muslim to me."
I know this thread is supposed to be about Palin, but to my eyes she'san invitation to vote against Black people.
Fri, 2008-09-12 16:36
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Sorry I forgot to cite.
The above quotes were from Dan Hoyle's article on salon.com.
Fri, 2008-09-12 16:42
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As a card-carrying Saskatchewan hayseed, with numerous university degrees and calluses to my credit, I ask that you smug eastern prigs shut up for once and instead contemplate why these baboons keep kicking your lily-white asses whenever the opportunity presents itself.
Fri, 2008-09-12 16:58
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RevolutionPlease
quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
[b]As a card-carrying Saskatchewan hayseed, with numerous university degrees and calluses to my credit, I ask that you smug eastern prigs shut up for once and instead contemplate why these baboons keep kicking your lily-white asses whenever the opportunity presents itself.[/b]
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C'mon not all us easterners are anti-baboon.
Fri, 2008-09-12 17:01
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As a card-carrying Saskatchewan hayseed, with numerous university degrees and calluses to my credit, I ask that you smug eastern prigs shut up for once and instead contemplate why these baboons keep kicking your lily-white asses whenever the opportunity presents itself.
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That's "red-rumped" baboons, if you please. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
And your generalization about "smug eastern prigs" is not narrowed down enough by the insertion of "lily-white asses" either. But it's getting there.
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Oh, and I haven't noticed a lot of social analysis between the chuckles from The West .
Howcum? There's a standing invitation.
Can't be diffidence or shyness.
This couldn't be an old Zane Grey western bushwhacking? Naw, you're putting me on, right?
My goodness, I hope so.... [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]
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I posted Bageant some time ago - and he says what you are saying, Al (although in a less intimidating way). He, too, is like a breath of fresh air in a fetid, priggish atmosphere of endless, eastern liberal debate.
[ 12 September 2008: Message edited by: George Victor ]
Fri, 2008-09-12 17:09
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RevolutionPlease
This can be so confusing sometimes.
Fri, 2008-09-12 17:16
#29
Got it now.
Zane Grey didn't write about bush-whacking, it was dry-gulching, right?
Fri, 2008-09-12 17:27
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RevolutionPlease
quote:
Originally posted by George Victor:
[b]Got it now.Zane Grey didn't write about bush-whacking, it was dry-gulching, right?[/b]
If you're replying to me, please speak english. I googled Zane Grey and still have no idea what subtle speakeasy you're using.
Don't care to talk to the plebs?
Fri, 2008-09-12 17:30
#31
Aw c'mon. That was aimed at a westerner - Zane Grey wrote westerns. Just a silly attempt at humour in a moment of shocked surprise. Sorry for the confusion.
Fri, 2008-09-12 17:31
#32
RevolutionPlease
Sorry George, I get lost in your nuances but appreciate your posts. Some of the links are great.
It would be even better if some of us unlearned folk could be given it in layman's terms.
Sorry again for being frustrated at your writing and others.
Fri, 2008-09-12 17:40
#33
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Well, Redneck been rehabilitated and reclaimed as a charming toothless identity. How'bout Peckerwood, Hayseed, Cracker, Ku Kluxer....
The most depressing part of this election is the passive observance of America's intellectual flotsam as they regard Obama. I read one story today about a fellow in West Virginia, a longtime member of UMW one of America's most progressive unions, saying "..I couldn't vote for a Muslim. "When the gentleman was corrected he said "I don't care, he's Muslim to me."
I know this thread is supposed to be about Palin, but to my eyes she'san invitation to vote against Black people.
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Sure glad you pointed this out, Blairza. While Bageant places himself as a "redneck", and shows where they are at, generally, that does not change how some identify (or not) with those around them.
He points out that he had to go out and get educated to break free. And I'm desperately trying to find where he talks about education in the last couple of chapters. Have you seen him do this on his blog, or anything?
Fri, 2008-09-12 17:47
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RP, the fault is mine. Zane Grey, I guess you saw, wrote some of the earliest popular westerns and died with the dinosaurs. Dates the hell outa me, really.
And I see all sorts of references to living personalities posted here that I don't know at all.
But please, just give me a kick in the IT shins like this and I'll back up.
Fri, 2008-09-12 18:20
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RevolutionPlease
quote:
Originally posted by George Victor:
[b]RP, the fault is mine. Zane Grey, I guess you saw, wrote some of the earliest popular westerns and died with the dinosaurs. Dates the hell outa me, really.And I see all sorts of references to living personalities posted here that I don't know at all.
But please, just give me a kick in the IT shins like this and I'll back up.[/b]
Naw, no need George, I think I was just frustrated with myself.
But I'm still kind of curious where you were taking this thread. It was about our media not protesting hard enough about McCain and Palin, no?
Fri, 2008-09-12 22:29
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Westerns? the Zane Grey I grew up with wrote about [url=http://emotional-literacy-education.com/classic-books-online-a/rhout10.h....
quote:
``I reckon you be a stranger in these parts,''
said a pleasant old fellow. ``His name's Hurtle
--Whitaker Hurtle. Whit fer short. He hain't
lost a gol-darned game this summer. No sir-ee!
Never pitched any before, nuther.''Hurtle! What a remarkably fitting name!
Rickettsville chose the field and the game began.
Hurtle swung with his easy motion. The ball shot
across like a white bullet. It was a strike, and so was the next, and the one succeeding. He could
not throw anything but strikes, and it seemed the
Spatsburg players could not make even a foul.Outside of Hurtle's work the game meant little
to me. And I was so fascinated by what I saw in
him that I could hardly contain myself. After
the first few innings I no longer tried to. I yelled with the Rickettsville rooters. The man was a wonder. A blind baseball manager could have
seen that. He had a straight ball, shoulder high,
level as a stretched string, and fast. He had a
jump ball, which he evidently worked by putting
on a little more steam, and it was the speediest
thing I ever saw in the way of a shoot.He had a wide-sweeping outcurve, wide as the blade of a mowing scythe. And he had a drop--an unhittable drop. He did not use it often, for it made his catcher dig too hard into the dirt. But whenever he did I glowed all over. Once or twice he used an underhand motion and sent in a ball that fairly swooped up. It could not have been hit with a board.
And best of all, dearest to the manager's heart, he had control. Every ball he threw went over the plate. He could not miss it. To him that plate was as big as a house.
Sat, 2008-09-13 02:11
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But I'm still kind of curious where you were taking this thread. It was about our media not protesting hard enough about McCain and Palin, no?
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Partly, RP.
It is more about the media not telling us enough about what is going on in society, U.S.and Canadian, and about the awakening that's taking place, there and here, as a result of McCain and Palin. They seem to be answering a hidden need, a frustration out there among the unread and the badly served readership. Hence the "shock and awe" reference (an expression first used in the U.S. attack on Baghdad, eh?)
Sat, 2008-09-13 02:32
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Westerns? the Zane Grey I grew up with wrote about baseball.
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The Arizonian sure knew his baseball. And you got me googling to find out more about him. Maybe 100 books in all (including some aimed at young readers), some 60 westerns, and lots of the others with titles like The Shortstop (1910), and The Young Pitcher (perhaps dating from the year of his death, 1939).
I came to him in my late teens. There was usually a romantic interest there in his stories...often the ranch owner's daughter. But never anything beyond a kiss, and riding off into the sunset together. However I found it interesting (and it certainly dated him) that he would use the word "ejaculate" as the transitive verb meaning "to suddenly exclaim." Can't say, either, when it fell out of use in the literature of youth. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
Sat, 2008-09-13 02:49
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Here's a short break from leftwing puritanism ...
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And using another Christian's pulpit offering, here's a short break from John Bunyan's "slough of despond" (which, Wikipedia tells us, young Christian sank into "under the weight of his sins.")
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Joe Bageant's latest (Sept. 12) Web feature -
Scots-Irish in Canada and US are different
Joe:
I've been reading your blog just about as long as it has been around, and I bought your book as soon as it came out. Kudos on your quickly percolating career as a redneck pundit in the UK press. Try not to turn into one of those 18th Century Savage Red Indians taken back to England for display as a curiosity illustrative of the wonders of the Americas. But I'm sure you won't, and if you do and get paid for it, it's all good anyway.
I recently gave up on the USA (Abu Ghraib was the last straw) and moved to Canada, where I'm now married to a lovely Canadian girl and going through the process of becoming a Canadian citizen. I love it up here in Toronto, and we visit quite often with her parents in rural Ontario.
People up here so closely resemble Americans, but seem so much less invested in domination of the world and oppression of the weak: even Sarah's Pentecostal parents (no joke) wouldn't dream of denying gay people the right to get married or of messing with the socialized health care everyone up here is entitled to, and people up here are pretty upset about even Canada's limited peacekeeping involvement in Afghanistan. Churches are drying up for lack of congregations as an ever-increasing chunk of the populace self-reports as non-religious.
My question for you is this: if the Ulster Scots have been such a formative influence on the American psyche, especially vis-a-vis its hard-bitten individualism and its imperialistic belligerence, then why is Canada so singularly lacking in these traits? This place is crawling with Scots-Irish -- they may be the largest ethnic group in the country, and they dominate the maritime provinces.
It's a tough nut to crack, and I don't expect you to have an answer. History is complicated, I guess, and Canada and the US have been through much different experiences in the last 200 years: ongoing membership in the Empire and then the Commonwealth, and their ill use by the English during the World Wars, has done a lot to shape Canadian attitudes toward foreign military adventures, and America's original sin of African slavery is quite a different cup of tea from the aboriginal genocide that continues to have real political consequences up here. But it's an interesting question to contemplate, I think, and if it provides you with any matter for your ruminations on the souls of nations and the way history shapes and is shaped by different cultures, then this will turn out to have been a worthwhile message to send.
I hope you're doing well, Joe. You are a sane human voice crying out in the wilderness, and I can't tell you how much of a comfort it is for a heartbroken expat like me to hear someone sing about the America I thought I grew up in, but that increasingly seems like it never
existed.
Take it easy,
Matt
Toronto
[ 13 September 2008: Message edited by: George Victor ]
Sat, 2008-09-13 02:53
#40
Catchfire
George! Use a backslash to end your quote function. Put this: [/QUOTE] at the end of a quote to close it off and get those fancy separating lines we all so desperately crave.
Sat, 2008-09-20 14:41
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Is anyone following the American reaction to Mallick's column?
Also,
[url=http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080920/world/us_cda_palin]From Yahoo![/url]
Sat, 2008-09-20 15:07
#42
ElizaQ
I was following it on the blogs done there when it first came out. Alot of negative reaction.
It's interesting that Fox took so long to pick it up. Well actually no, now that I think about it it's not interesting. Probably pretty telling that it came up this week. Palins approval rating plummeted over 20 points in one week. Need more sympathy folks! Look at the big bad people attacking her! From foreign countries no less!
Anyways I think that now that people know a heck of lot more about the woman, most of it really negative that she's going to have more people agreeing with her then a few weeks ago. Just look at the comments under the yahoo story.
The most damning thing that's making it's rounds, 'the Palin made women pay for their forensic rape kits, in a State that has one of the highest per capita incidences, most with Native women, and that she had to be ordered by the state to stop doing it.
Oh an her idea of helping to deal with the problem was to pass a bill banning the sale of an action figure from Kill Bill, called 'Rapist #1'.
And one of the reasons that she claims to have fired her Police commisioner was because he went behind her back to try to get some money for sexual assault and anti-rape problems because he wasn't getting any help from the Govies office.
I would use way worse words to describe her now but I might be banned.
Thu, 2008-09-25 10:32
#43
M. Spector
[url=http://www.nowtoronto.com/daily/story.cfm?content=165111]What did Heather Mallick write about Sarah Palin?[/url]
by Susan G. Cole
quote:
Mallick's piece borders on vicious, sure, but it's hardly off the charts as far as what's present on the blogosphere. But what's so interesting about the response to Mallick is what aspects of it have provoked the biggest response. It all proves that some people simply cannot read.If you've followed this story without reading the original blog, you'd think that Mallick called Palin white trash. She did not do that, actually. What she said was that by naming Palin to the ticket, McCains sewed up the white trash vote. And, let's admit, there exists some white trash in America.
Also high on the anti-Mallick commentators' list is the claim that Mallick compared Palin to a porn star. Not so. She said that Palin had the porn star look down, a reasonable comment on where her appeal lies and how it might work and not at all tantamount to comparing Palin to Jenna Jameson.
One commentator, FOX's Greta Van Susteran got heavily into the trash talk by calling Mallick a "pig" and continuing to defend it, writing, "She worries about being called a pig because, frankly, she was a pig." This, can I say, is not analysis or anything remotely resembling political discourse and the fact that is masquerading as such is ridiculous.
Thu, 2008-09-25 13:36
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quote:
Also high on the anti-Mallick commentators' list is the claim that Mallick compared Palin to a porn star. Not so. She said that Palin had the porn star look down...
Could've fooled me.
Fri, 2008-09-26 06:11
#45
Ditto with the white trash comments.
Close to the bone for a lot of us. And makes me think that Heather does actually look down her nose at us.
But I still thought it was funny- all of it.
Fri, 2008-09-26 06:18
#46
It seems that there is an expectation for politcal commentators to be sterile and puritanical. I'll take Mallick's evocative and entertaining writing over that any day. There is a place for hyperbole and ridicule. Mallick's use of it on Palin and her supporters was eviscerating and poibnant. SBMMV
Fri, 2008-09-26 07:07
#47
"puritanical"? Au contraire, it was Mallick that gave a pejorative connotation to "porn" in her cheap shot at Palin.
Also, must the word "sterile" go on being used as a pejorative, with its historical background of misogynist pressures on women?
Fri, 2008-09-26 07:24
#48
remind
Oh for god's sake! [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img] And perhaps for the first time ever I agree with Caissa. And I have agreed with Mallick since the article was printed.
IMV, I would have gone further, Palin is trash!
Fri, 2008-09-26 07:29
#49
I still think classist reflexes and sexist barbs are a mistaken, albeit "entertaining", way to fight the right.
[ 26 September 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]
Fri, 2008-09-26 08:12
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quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]Oh for god's sake! [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img] And perhaps for the first time ever I agree with Caissa. And I have agreed with Mallick since the article was printed.IMV, I would have gone further, Palin is trash![/b]
OK - regardless of whether you agree with her (and I think everyone here agrees that she has shown to be very unprepared for the job regardless of her views) wth does calling her trash accomplish? We all know that it is much more difficult for women to get involved in politics, especially those seen as "being need in the home" for their children. Speaking of a female politician that you don't agree with as trash creates that type of environment in general. Women that don't agree with Palin and want to join politics are still going to see how she is being treated. When is the last time someone said a male politician - right, left or centre - had the porn star look? When is the last time they were called trash? Since when is it okay to call lower class Americans "the white trash" vote. Descending to this level of criticism just invalidates the criticism. I do not understand it - especially when there are like ONE ZILLION valid reasons to criticize Palin.
Fri, 2008-09-26 08:22
#51
Martin,
Could you please provide me with a list of verboten pejoratives so that I may attempt to avoid them? [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]