"Ordinary folks don't care about arts" - Harper

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oldgoat

Gee, I'm a social worker like mauser. I like to feel I'm owed a living, and sure enough the government comes through, on the 15th and last day of every month!

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Timebandit Timebandit's picture

Yeah, I just sit around on my ass being brilliant all the time and the gov't sends me a nice, fat cheque -- for nothing! [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

toddsschneider

"A whiff of bigotry"

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I don't understand the political strategy behind the Conservative cuts to arts and culture, any more than I understood the wisdom of Stephen Harper's war with the parliamentary press gallery. As the saying goes, never get into a spitting match with people who buy ink at wholesale prices. A fortiori - one can add - for those who have access to video cameras and pop music.

I do, however, know bigotry when I see it. And I see shades of it in the video clip lampooning the Conservative cuts that reportedly has had 50,000 hits on YouTube.

The grant-seeking artist, played by Michel Rivard, is a Francophone. The review board making the cuts is comprised of unilingual Anglophones - the stereotype of the "square head,” as we're sometimes called, interested only in money ...


It's Me D

what are you quoting here?

Unionist

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Originally posted by It's Me D:
[b]what are you quoting here?[/b]

Sigh, this is becoming a full-time job. The article is [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080924.WBSpector200....

ETA: By the way, make sure to read the "Comments" after Norman Spector's article. Everyone "got" the joke except him.

[ 26 September 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]

It's Me D

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Sigh, this is becoming a full-time job.

Well thanks for doing a good job of it unionist [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

It's Me D

This Norman Spector character is quite a piece of... Here's an excerpt from another little diatribe of his over at the G&M that unionist linked to:

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Still, it's far better that Ms. Atwood and others in the creative community focus on Canadian rather than American politics, and that they write about current events rather than science fiction.

The rest of this diatribe is [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080925.WBSpector200...

Couldn't Mr Spector have at least managed to read some of Atwood's work before writing it off as having no relevance to current events? Both the Handmaid's Tale and Oryx and Crake, Atwood's sci-fi, have a great deal of relevance to current events today; even more than when they were written.

I guess that is the root of the problem though, you cannot really appreciate culture if you aren't exposed to it; successive government policies from the Tories and Liberals have ensured that many Canadians are never exposed. Then there are people like Mr Spector who presumably has the ability to expose himself to Canadian culture but obviously lacks the will.

al-Qa'bong

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Originally posted by unionist:
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ETA: By the way, make sure to read the "Comments" after Norman Spector's article. Everyone "got" the joke except him.

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Of course Norman Spector (J'ai besoin d'un "cracher" smilie) doesn't get the joke. He's exactly the type of pointy-headed technocrat being satirised in the clip.

martin dufresne

My contribution (this is fun...):

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The point of the joke, Mr. Spector, is that most artists and most civil servants handsomely paid to apply Mr. Harper's cutbacks speak two very different languages - and I don't mean French and English.
[i]Capiche[/i], sir?
And what I REALLY like about this video is - to surf on your latest column about our national treasure, Ms. Atwood - that it has brought hundreds of thousands of previously uninterested Quebecers to take seriously a political problem, bigotry in the halls of federal power, which is why Mr. Harper's fortunes are currently plummeting in Quebec.
Meaning: we are once more about to save your collective a**es.

Unionist

Good! [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

Maysie Maysie's picture

Yay! Thanks Quebec! [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

Maysie Maysie's picture

Margaret Atwood takes on Harper.

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What sort of country do we want to live in? What sort of country do we already live in? What do we like? Who are we?

At present, we are a very creative country. For decades, we've been punching above our weight on the world stage - in writing, in popular music and in many other fields. Canada was once a cultural void on the world map, now it's a force. In addition, the arts are a large segment of our economy: The Conference Board estimates Canada's cultural sector generated $46-billion, or 3.8 per cent of Canada's GDP, in 2007. And, according to the Canada Council, in 2003-2004, the sector accounted for an "estimated 600,000 jobs (roughly the same as agriculture, forestry, fishing, mining, oil & gas and utilities combined)."

But we've just been sent a signal by Prime Minister Stephen Harper that he gives not a toss for these facts. Tuesday, he told us that some group called "ordinary people" didn't care about something called "the arts." His idea of "the arts" is a bunch of rich people gathering at galas whining about their grants. Well, I can count the number of moderately rich writers who live in Canada on the fingers of one hand:

I'm one of them, and I'm no Warren Buffett. I don't whine about my grants because I don't get any grants. I whine about other grants - grants for young people, that may help them to turn into me, and thus pay to the federal and provincial governments the kinds of taxes I pay, and cover off the salaries of such as Mr. Harper. In fact, less than 10 per cent of writers actually make a living by their writing, however modest that living may be. They have other jobs. But people write, and want to write, and pack into creative writing classes, because they love this activity - not because they think they'll be millionaires.

Every single one of those people is an "ordinary person." Mr. Harper's idea of an ordinary person is that of an envious hater without a scrap of artistic talent or creativity or curiosity, and no appreciation for anything that's attractive or beautiful. My idea of an ordinary person is quite different. Human beings are creative by nature. For millenniums we have been putting our creativity into our cultures - cultures with unique languages, architecture, religious ceremonies, dances, music, furnishings, textiles, clothing and special cuisines.

"Ordinary people" pack into the cheap seats at concerts and fill theatres where opera s are brought to them live. The total attendance for "the arts" in Canada in fact exceeds that for sports events. "The arts" are not a "niche interest." They are part of being human.

(snip)

I suggest that considering the huge amount of energy we spend on creative activity, to be creative is "ordinary." It is an age-long and normal human characteristic: All children are born creative. It's the lack of any appreciation of these activities that is not ordinary. Mr. Harper has demonstrated that he has no knowledge of, or respect for, the capacities and interests of "ordinary people." He's the "niche interest." Not us.

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Rumour has it that Mr. Harper's idea of what sort of art you should hang on your wall was signalled by his removal of all pictures of previous Conservative prime ministers from their lobby room - including John A. and Dief the Chief - and their replacement by pictures of none other than Mr. Harper himself. Histo ry, it seems, is to begin with him. In communist countries, this used to be called the Cult of Personality. Mr. Harper is a guy who - rumour has it, again - tried to disband the student union in high school and then tried the same thing in college. Destiny is calling him, the way it called Qin Shi Huang, the Chinese emperor who burnt all records of the rulers before himself. It's an impulse that's been repeated many times since, the list is very long. Tear it down and level it flat, is the common motto. Then build a big statue of yourself. Now that would be Art!

Adapted from the 2008 Hurtig Lecture, to be delivered in Edmonton on Oct. 1


[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080924.wcoarts25/BN..."To be creative, is, in fact, Canadian" Globe and Mail Fri Sept 26, 2008[/url]

N.R.KISSED

Please don't tell me Margaret Atwood used the term "envious hater". I appreciate what she says in this speech but I really don't understand how this term "hater" has become so common that even a talented wordsmith would utilize it. It really is a meaningless term and there are certainly much richer ways to describe the psychology of Harper and his allies.

Actually I realize that she used the term to describe what Harper thought of average Canadians, but still ooohhh! I hate that term.

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Kevin Laddle

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Originally posted by N.R.KISSED:
[b]Please don't tell me Margaret Atwood used the term "envious hater". I appreciate what she says in this speech but I really don't understand how this term "hater" has become so common that even a talented wordsmith would utilize it. It really is a meaningless term and there are certainly much richer ways to describe the psychology of Harper and his allies.

Actually I realize that she used the term to describe what Harper thought of average Canadians, but still ooohhh! I hate that term.
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Quit bein' a hater!
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N.R.KISSED

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Quit bein' a hater!

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agalant

As an artist I was insulted by Stephen Harper's narrow-minded comments. More over I've been reading various reactions and surprised how many Canadians believe art is only something that you hang on a wall.

In an artistic way, here is my video response to Harper's comments:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhaXsa4Czcs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Enjoy, and pass it on!

Maysie Maysie's picture

Very nice agalant! Thanks for sharing it here.

writer writer's picture

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/arts/tv/story/2008/09/30/walsh-sweater-vest.html]Take your sweater-vest and get lost, Warrior Princess tells Harper[/url]

remind remind's picture

Wow, the comments after that piece on Mary Walsh, sure are ugly! As for the asshat that thinks the CPC are paying CBC wages, huh? It is ALL Canadians you pay their wages. What an idiot, but then so are all of the CPC Harper supporters.

triciamarie

Lookit guys, here's what I'm talking about:

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"...Canadians risk a damaging polarization between conservative rural voters and liberal urban voters similar to the divide between Republicans and Democrats in the U.S., argued Eric Miller, director of the university's Cities Centre.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's recent comments that "ordinary working people" are unable to relate to government-funded cultural elites were less about devaluing art, since Harper himself plays piano, than about creating a divide between liberal cities and the rural, conservative heartland, Miller said.

"I think the reason Mr. Harper's comment about ordinary people and these fancy elites resonates was not just because it was an attack on the arts," Miller told the Star.

"He's using classic, Republican code-word, wedge-type (politics). He's trying to differentiate between the city slickers and the rural people. He's trying to create that sort of classic red-blue division that you see in the States."

Miller, whose Cities Centre hosted the event called Urban Issues in the Federal Election, added: "Even if you don't care about the arts, the fact that (Harper) is trying to create those sorts of divisions in people's minds is very dangerous. Because I think we do have a social cohesion in Canada."


[url=http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/509358]http://www.thestar...

What many working artists and their close supporters are missing about this issue -- because they see the actual effects on the ground -- is that the whole thing was done mainly for propaganda value.

lagatta

No, we cultural workers aren't missing that at all. Harper knows he's not getting many votes in the Plateau (Duceppe) and Outremont (Mulcair). The sneaky anti-abortion-by-stealth is playing to social conservatives as well, but there again, women (and our supporters) have to take to the streets to defend hard-won victories.

I'm very proud of our surprisingly large demonstrations in favour of the arts and culture, and of reproductive choice. They seem to have halted Con gains in many parts of Quйbec - let's hope so.

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MegB

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Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
[b]I'd rather not think of myself as ordinary, but I suppose I am. Work, though, is something I deffinately do. Actual work, nothing you could do from behind a desk, or in a three piece suit.

I must say that when I get home, I don't ordinarily turn to something artsy fartsy to wind down. Unless a long shower with my wife's rather artistic home made soap counts. [/b]


Gee, I had no idea that what I did 40-50 hours a week wasn't "actual" work. I always figured that since it paid the "actual" bills, it was real work.

Oh, glad you like the soap. Dear. [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]

Michelle

Ha you are so in shit now Tommy hee hee hee... [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

I've missed you, Rebecca!

Tommy_Paine

Eeeep.

I knew I was launching a boomerang when I wrote that-- but still, I turned my back on it.

writer writer's picture
writer writer's picture

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... the Baird campaign has filed an official complaint with Elections Canada over the involvement of this “foreign organization”, and is seeking an injunction to prevent Azaaz.ca from launching its ad campaign targeting Baird and others. (Isn’t that a lot like the ‘gag order’ on third parties that a certain former National Citizens Coalition president fought all the way to the Supreme Court?)

[url=http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/10/06/attention-sorosophobesphiles-weve-hit... O'Malley[/url]

remind remind's picture

Looks Canadian to me, what an asshat Baird is! This action needs to become front and centre have already emailed it out.

Thanks writer!

Michelle

[url=http://www.rabble.ca/arts_media.shtml?x=76074]Open letter to Stephen Harper[/url]

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Monsieur le premier ministre,

We are neighbours. We work across the street from one another. You are Prime Minister of the Parliament of Canada and I, across the way, am a writer, theatre director and Artistic Director of the French Theatre at the National Arts Centre (NAC). So, like you, I am an employee of the state, working for the Federal Government; in other words, we are colleagues.

Let me take advantage of this unique position, as one functionary to another, to chat with you about the elimination of some federal grants in the field of culture, something that your government recently undertook. Indeed, having followed this matter closely, I have arrived at a few conclusions that I would like to publicly share with you since, as I'm sure you will agree, this debate has become one of public interest.


Merowe

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Originally posted by Michelle:
[b][url=http://www.rabble.ca/arts_media.shtml?x=76074]Open letter to Stephen Harper[/url]

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This letter is good to see. It's a real pleasure just how much this culture thing has blown up in Harpo's face.

Jacob Two-Two

They keep trying to appeal to "average Canadians" but it always backfires because they just can't get a grip on the fact that average Canadians don't share their caveman values. Remember the "Martin supports child porn" nonsense from 2004? It happens every time.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/arts/artdesign/story/2008/11/07/portrait-gallery.html]Now for Harper's revenge: No National Portrait Gallery for you[/url]

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The Harper government has abruptly cancelled plans for a National Portrait Gallery that has been in the works for years.

Newly minted Heritage Minister James Moore announced Friday that none of the proposals received from developers is acceptable to the government.

He said it's important for the government to act prudently in a time of economic instability and the project cannot go ahead.

He made the announcement after 5 p.m. on a Friday — a tried-and-true strategy to minimize bad press.


bagkitty bagkitty's picture

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He made the announcement after 5 p.m. on a Friday — a tried-and-true strategy to minimize bad press.

So, the new "New Government" is going to continue to act exactly like the old "New Government". Is anyone surprised?

There goes my chance to visit (within driving distance) a gallery with paintings of old white men with peculiar arrangements of facial hair. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

I'm glad it's cancelled.

Now a future government will be able to build a National Portrait Gallery where it belongs - in Ottawa.

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

M. Spector, I would agree with someone asserting a national gallery should be in the nation's capital, if the capital was Winnipeg. [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Hell, why not say Calgary while you're at it?

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

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Originally posted by M. Spector:
[b]Hell, why not say Calgary while you're at it?[/b]

Because then our Central Canadian overlords would have to travel so damn far to get a look at their ancestors with the funny facial hair. And I feel sympathy for our Central Canadian overlords -- them being so poorly served with national institutions and all. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

And Winnipeg isn't too damn far?

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

M. Spector wrote:
And Winnipeg isn't too damn far?

 

Well, I was going to suggest Churchill as being closer to the geographic center of the country, but decided to come up with a suggestion that was on the Trans-Canada Highway... call me sentimental.Tongue out

 

Whom the hive does not cherish it eats.

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