Debrief from "Should babble have a POC/FN only forum?" thread.

I have a number of points to consider. First of all, I was quite impressed by the thread which came before. I thought that it illustrated in a very constructive way the output of the so-called 'progressive' white supremacist mindset. Demanding, dismissive, angry, and verbose. I shan't even consider bringing forth the PM forwarded by one within the fray. Needless to say, it was more of the same, so I can't imagine why is was not posted publicly. Nonetheless, is was of such little force and interest, I deleted it before I considered even remembering what it was about. There was something about being an activist among POC and being recognized, or something like that. Or whatever.

In any case. What perhaps people do not consider that it might be possible that my analysis as an FN person or simply as an educated sociologist might have a slightly different tact than others, and that it might have some value, even if it were a wee bit controversial.

Not to reiterate too much, because quite frankly, I tire of the the discussion, but my analysis of the concept known as 'racism' is not about 'attitude' nor 'behaviour' nor 'feelings' but is more focussed on historically wrought social structures, which have been built through historical power systems, and are maintained through systems of power and consequent ideologies.

In my analysis, the concept of 'race' as a socially defining event and power structure did not exist as a meaningful concept until the advent of the colonial exercise to dominate the world beyond the European shores starting at some point within the sixteenth century. Prior to that, opressed groups, including the diasporic Jewish population were managed under ideological systems which incorporated religious, social, cultural and other motifs as their conceptual rationalizations.

It wasn't until the European powers had developed the technologies to reach and to subjugate the peoples of the Africas and the Americas, and later various people of Asia that the concept of 'race' as a quasi-scientific rationale became meaningful within the construct of power.

This is the core of my analysis.

And I don't give a flying fuck what the nazis said.

I believe that I have put it forth honestly and respectfully. And quite frankly, I am getting sick and tired of being called names, and harassed, and challenged at every step. But I have come to recognize that this is the typical pattern of white supremacist awareness, whether it is the pig ignorant fuckhead who gets shitfaced and rides around in his truck or the smart guy with the MA whacking away at his computer keyboard.

Personally, I no longer believe in a POC/FN only space within babble, although I had considered the idea. It would merely whither away into obscurity while granting the vast white dominated space the opportunity to 'demonstrate' their so-called 'inclusiveness'. Much like I anticipated the 'aboriginal' space to become, yet many strong FN folks and allies have kept it alive a brimming with excellent information, and my thanks and astonishment for that - thanks for proving me wrong.

Still, I believe at this time that until the white dominated space becomes painfully aware of how cruel and diminishing they act on a regular basis, little will change.

I believe that the only genuine option for POC and FN people to really communicate is to have their own space, completely free from the dominant culture.

Until that space exists, some of us, shall continue to be difficult, and speak out, and suffer the shunning and ridicule.

Why? Oh, why the fuck not.

While I disagree with Makwa's contention that only POC can be racialized, no poster here should be described as loathsome or have nasty messages pushed at them through private messaging. Why do you think people want a segregated board for antiracism issues? It's because we react so badly to any mention of white privilege in discussions.
Personally, as I've said before, I don't feel that honest discourse of any sort can take place online, or be fruitful. But if anti racist activists really want a place where there particular brand of anti racism can be talked about, so be it.