Frank McKenna: Latest Liberal Messiah
Sat, 2008-10-18 22:31
#1
Frank McKenna: Latest Liberal Messiah
Sat, 2008-10-18 22:31
#2
There go the Liberals again.
Just what Canada needs, a pro-life TD banker for leader of the Liberal party. [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]
Liberals just don't get, do they!
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[ 18 October 2008: Message edited by: NorthReport ]
Sat, 2008-10-18 22:31
#3
There go the Liberals again.
Just what Canada needs, a pro-life TD banker for leader of the Liberal party. [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]
Liberals just don't get, do they!
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Sat, 2008-10-18 22:31
#4
There go the Liberals again.
Just what Canada needs, a pro-life TD banker for leader of the Liberal party. [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]
Liberals just don't get, do they!
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Sun, 2008-10-19 04:18
#5
If he gets the nod McKenna would be as right wing if not moreso than Harper. I lived in NB under him. NB libs are *very* right wing...
Sun, 2008-10-19 04:18
#6
If he gets the nod McKenna would be as right wing if not moreso than Harper. I lived in NB under him. NB libs are *very* right wing...
Sun, 2008-10-19 04:18
#7
If he gets the nod McKenna would be as right wing if not moreso than Harper. I lived in NB under him. NB libs are *very* right wing...
Sun, 2008-10-19 05:05
#8
Boom Boom
I've watched McKenna on Newman's show a few times - I was quite taken aback by how right wing he was. [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-10-19 05:05
#9
Boom Boom
I've watched McKenna on Newman's show a few times - I was quite taken aback by how right wing he was. [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-10-19 05:05
#10
Boom Boom
I've watched McKenna on Newman's show a few times - I was quite taken aback by how right wing he was. [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-10-19 05:24
#11
Boom Boom
I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them. Where are the centrist or even [b][i]liberal[/i][/b] Liberals of today? [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-10-19 05:24
#12
Boom Boom
I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them. Where are the centrist or even [b][i]liberal[/i][/b] Liberals of today? [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-10-19 05:24
#13
Boom Boom
I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them. Where are the centrist or even [b][i]liberal[/i][/b] Liberals of today? [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-10-19 06:08
#14
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them. Where are the centrist or even [b][i]liberal[/i][/b] Liberals of today? [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
It does seem like Dion's failure is being used as a convenient excuse by the likes of Manley to turn the Liberal Party further right. How did that work out for Paul Martin? The last thing the Liberals should attribute their dismal showing to is that they'd "turned too far left."
[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: JeffWells ]
Sun, 2008-10-19 06:08
#15
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them. Where are the centrist or even [b][i]liberal[/i][/b] Liberals of today? [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
It does seem like Dion's failure is being used as a convenient excuse by the likes of Manley to turn the Liberal Party further right. How did that work out for Paul Martin? The last thing the Liberals should attribute their dismal showing to is that they'd "turned too far left."
[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: JeffWells ]
Sun, 2008-10-19 06:08
#16
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them. Where are the centrist or even [b][i]liberal[/i][/b] Liberals of today? [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
It does seem like Dion's failure is being used as a convenient excuse by the likes of Manley to turn the Liberal Party further right. How did that work out for Paul Martin? The last thing the Liberals should attribute their dismal showing to is that they'd "turned too far left."
[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: JeffWells ]
Sun, 2008-10-19 07:32
#17
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them. Where are the centrist or even [b][i]liberal[/i][/b] Liberals of today? [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
They had their chance with Dion. Now it's going to be the blue Liberals' turn.
Sun, 2008-10-19 07:32
#18
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them. Where are the centrist or even [b][i]liberal[/i][/b] Liberals of today? [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
They had their chance with Dion. Now it's going to be the blue Liberals' turn.
Sun, 2008-10-19 07:32
#19
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them. Where are the centrist or even [b][i]liberal[/i][/b] Liberals of today? [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
They had their chance with Dion. Now it's going to be the blue Liberals' turn.
Sun, 2008-10-19 08:00
#20
That's ok with this "progressive." The abandonment of any pretense of progressiveness in the selection of a openly "right wing liberal means it's harder for the libs to sell "we are progressive." Therefore the fight is for the right-wing voter. [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-10-19 08:00
#21
That's ok with this "progressive." The abandonment of any pretense of progressiveness in the selection of a openly "right wing liberal means it's harder for the libs to sell "we are progressive." Therefore the fight is for the right-wing voter. [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-10-19 08:00
#22
That's ok with this "progressive." The abandonment of any pretense of progressiveness in the selection of a openly "right wing liberal means it's harder for the libs to sell "we are progressive." Therefore the fight is for the right-wing voter. [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-10-19 09:53
#23
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I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them.
I suspect that one of the things they're looking for is a certain kind of personality. Frank is famously down-to-earth, friendly, funny -- even people who don't agree with his politics admit that he's really warm and likeable. (I know him quite well -- don't agree with his politics but have often enjoyed his company.)
People in Fredericton love to recount that when he was premier, he walked to work every morning, stopping along the way to chat with anyone he met. And there are always the stories about how he answered his own phone in the premier's office.
I think Bob Rae (unpopular as he is in many circles) also has that ability to connect with people. I don't see Iggy and Manley in the same way at all at all.
Sun, 2008-10-19 09:53
#24
quote:
I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them.
I suspect that one of the things they're looking for is a certain kind of personality. Frank is famously down-to-earth, friendly, funny -- even people who don't agree with his politics admit that he's really warm and likeable. (I know him quite well -- don't agree with his politics but have often enjoyed his company.)
People in Fredericton love to recount that when he was premier, he walked to work every morning, stopping along the way to chat with anyone he met. And there are always the stories about how he answered his own phone in the premier's office.
I think Bob Rae (unpopular as he is in many circles) also has that ability to connect with people. I don't see Iggy and Manley in the same way at all at all.
Sun, 2008-10-19 09:53
#25
quote:
I don't understand why the Liberals think McKenna (or Iggy, Rae, or Manley) would be a winner for them.
I suspect that one of the things they're looking for is a certain kind of personality. Frank is famously down-to-earth, friendly, funny -- even people who don't agree with his politics admit that he's really warm and likeable. (I know him quite well -- don't agree with his politics but have often enjoyed his company.)
People in Fredericton love to recount that when he was premier, he walked to work every morning, stopping along the way to chat with anyone he met. And there are always the stories about how he answered his own phone in the premier's office.
I think Bob Rae (unpopular as he is in many circles) also has that ability to connect with people. I don't see Iggy and Manley in the same way at all at all.
Sun, 2008-10-19 09:59
#26
quote:
Originally posted by JeffWells:
[b]
It does seem like Dion's failure is being used as a convenient excuse by the likes of Manley to turn the Liberal Party further right. How did that work out for Paul Martin?[/b]
The Liberals under PM Martin were no more to the right than when Martin was Minister of Finance.
The Liberals were done in by a scandal in Quebec and the reunification of the Conservatives, not any change in their direction.
Sun, 2008-10-19 09:59
#27
quote:
Originally posted by JeffWells:
[b]
It does seem like Dion's failure is being used as a convenient excuse by the likes of Manley to turn the Liberal Party further right. How did that work out for Paul Martin?[/b]
The Liberals under PM Martin were no more to the right than when Martin was Minister of Finance.
The Liberals were done in by a scandal in Quebec and the reunification of the Conservatives, not any change in their direction.
Sun, 2008-10-19 09:59
#28
quote:
Originally posted by JeffWells:
[b]
It does seem like Dion's failure is being used as a convenient excuse by the likes of Manley to turn the Liberal Party further right. How did that work out for Paul Martin?[/b]
The Liberals under PM Martin were no more to the right than when Martin was Minister of Finance.
The Liberals were done in by a scandal in Quebec and the reunification of the Conservatives, not any change in their direction.
Sun, 2008-10-19 10:11
#29
quote:
Originally posted by Sharon:
[b]I suspect that one of the things they're looking for is a certain kind of personality. Frank is famously down-to-earth, friendly, funny -- even people who don't agree with his politics admit that he's really warm and likeable. (I know him quite well -- don't agree with his politics but have often enjoyed his company.)
People in Fredericton love to recount that when he was premier, he walked to work every morning, stopping along the way to chat with anyone he met. And there are always the stories about how he answered his own phone in the premier's office.
I think Bob Rae (unpopular as he is in many circles) also has that ability to connect with people. I don't see Iggy and Manley in the same way at all at all.[/b]
Actually Sharon, that was part of Rae's problem - he was great on the stump, but that one to one - well no.
Sun, 2008-10-19 10:11
#30
quote:
Originally posted by Sharon:
[b]I suspect that one of the things they're looking for is a certain kind of personality. Frank is famously down-to-earth, friendly, funny -- even people who don't agree with his politics admit that he's really warm and likeable. (I know him quite well -- don't agree with his politics but have often enjoyed his company.)
People in Fredericton love to recount that when he was premier, he walked to work every morning, stopping along the way to chat with anyone he met. And there are always the stories about how he answered his own phone in the premier's office.
I think Bob Rae (unpopular as he is in many circles) also has that ability to connect with people. I don't see Iggy and Manley in the same way at all at all.[/b]
Actually Sharon, that was part of Rae's problem - he was great on the stump, but that one to one - well no.
Sun, 2008-10-19 10:11
#31
quote:
Originally posted by Sharon:
[b]I suspect that one of the things they're looking for is a certain kind of personality. Frank is famously down-to-earth, friendly, funny -- even people who don't agree with his politics admit that he's really warm and likeable. (I know him quite well -- don't agree with his politics but have often enjoyed his company.)
People in Fredericton love to recount that when he was premier, he walked to work every morning, stopping along the way to chat with anyone he met. And there are always the stories about how he answered his own phone in the premier's office.
I think Bob Rae (unpopular as he is in many circles) also has that ability to connect with people. I don't see Iggy and Manley in the same way at all at all.[/b]
Actually Sharon, that was part of Rae's problem - he was great on the stump, but that one to one - well no.
Sun, 2008-10-19 15:58
#32
I said before on this or another board that McKenna is the Libs best threat. The majority of Canada's swing voters swing blue/red, and McKenna appeals to them. He has executive and business experience. He is an excellent communicator.
McKenna is a far more attractive candidate for the Liberals than either Rae or Iggy, who have far too many "unfavourables", as they like to say these days.
Sun, 2008-10-19 15:58
#33
I said before on this or another board that McKenna is the Libs best threat. The majority of Canada's swing voters swing blue/red, and McKenna appeals to them. He has executive and business experience. He is an excellent communicator.
McKenna is a far more attractive candidate for the Liberals than either Rae or Iggy, who have far too many "unfavourables", as they like to say these days.
Sun, 2008-10-19 15:58
#34
I said before on this or another board that McKenna is the Libs best threat. The majority of Canada's swing voters swing blue/red, and McKenna appeals to them. He has executive and business experience. He is an excellent communicator.
McKenna is a far more attractive candidate for the Liberals than either Rae or Iggy, who have far too many "unfavourables", as they like to say these days.
Sun, 2008-10-19 16:15
#35
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote:
[b]I said before on this or another board that McKenna is the Libs best threat. The majority of Canada's swing voters swing blue/red, and McKenna appeals to them. He has executive and business experience. He is an excellent communicator.McKenna is a far more attractive candidate for the Liberals than either Rae or Iggy, who have far too many "unfavourables", as they like to say these days.[/b]
Draft Paul Martin! Draft Paul Martin! 255 seat majority guaranteed!
Sun, 2008-10-19 16:15
#36
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote:
[b]I said before on this or another board that McKenna is the Libs best threat. The majority of Canada's swing voters swing blue/red, and McKenna appeals to them. He has executive and business experience. He is an excellent communicator.McKenna is a far more attractive candidate for the Liberals than either Rae or Iggy, who have far too many "unfavourables", as they like to say these days.[/b]
Draft Paul Martin! Draft Paul Martin! 255 seat majority guaranteed!
Sun, 2008-10-19 16:15
#37
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote:
[b]I said before on this or another board that McKenna is the Libs best threat. The majority of Canada's swing voters swing blue/red, and McKenna appeals to them. He has executive and business experience. He is an excellent communicator.McKenna is a far more attractive candidate for the Liberals than either Rae or Iggy, who have far too many "unfavourables", as they like to say these days.[/b]
Draft Paul Martin! Draft Paul Martin! 255 seat majority guaranteed!
Sun, 2008-10-19 16:53
#38
McKenna's [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=442]another lap poodle[/url] for the vicious empire. Definite stooge potential for sure.
Sun, 2008-10-19 16:53
#39
McKenna's [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=442]another lap poodle[/url] for the vicious empire. Definite stooge potential for sure.
Sun, 2008-10-19 16:53
#40
McKenna's [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=442]another lap poodle[/url] for the vicious empire. Definite stooge potential for sure.
Sun, 2008-10-19 17:46
#41
McKenna will not run. Apparrently he has been "testing the waters" for Liberal leadership since 1989!
After losing the election with a policy wonk as a leader, I think the Liberals will want someone with charisma. That disqualifies Manley and McKenna.
+ I don't think many people are aware of McKenna's anti-abortion stance yet. That's a no-no.
Sun, 2008-10-19 17:46
#42
McKenna will not run. Apparrently he has been "testing the waters" for Liberal leadership since 1989!
After losing the election with a policy wonk as a leader, I think the Liberals will want someone with charisma. That disqualifies Manley and McKenna.
+ I don't think many people are aware of McKenna's anti-abortion stance yet. That's a no-no.
Sun, 2008-10-19 17:46
#43
McKenna will not run. Apparrently he has been "testing the waters" for Liberal leadership since 1989!
After losing the election with a policy wonk as a leader, I think the Liberals will want someone with charisma. That disqualifies Manley and McKenna.
+ I don't think many people are aware of McKenna's anti-abortion stance yet. That's a no-no.
Sun, 2008-10-19 18:22
#44
quote:
Originally posted by V. Jara:
[b]Draft Paul Martin! Draft Paul Martin! 255 seat majority guaranteed![/b]
If you think Paul Martin's problem was being on the right of the Liberal party, you've misread the last 6 years of federal politics.
Sun, 2008-10-19 18:22
#45
quote:
Originally posted by V. Jara:
[b]Draft Paul Martin! Draft Paul Martin! 255 seat majority guaranteed![/b]
If you think Paul Martin's problem was being on the right of the Liberal party, you've misread the last 6 years of federal politics.
Sun, 2008-10-19 18:22
#46
quote:
Originally posted by V. Jara:
[b]Draft Paul Martin! Draft Paul Martin! 255 seat majority guaranteed![/b]
If you think Paul Martin's problem was being on the right of the Liberal party, you've misread the last 6 years of federal politics.
Sun, 2008-10-19 18:31
#47
quote:
It does seem like Dion's failure is being used as a convenient excuse by the likes of Manley to turn the Liberal Party further right. How did that work out for Paul Martin? The last thing the Liberals should attribute their dismal showing to is that they'd "turned too far left."
The Liberals didn't go to far to the Left. They didn't go left. They went for a GP platform and the economic structure is Right Wing. I expect the Liberals to implement the Tax cut and drop the carbon tax as a campaign plank.
Meanwhile the NB libs have their greedy paws ready for a Carbon Tax and Tax CUT for the Rich in NB so, its hard to say what the LPC are going after an election.
Sun, 2008-10-19 18:31
#48
quote:
It does seem like Dion's failure is being used as a convenient excuse by the likes of Manley to turn the Liberal Party further right. How did that work out for Paul Martin? The last thing the Liberals should attribute their dismal showing to is that they'd "turned too far left."
The Liberals didn't go to far to the Left. They didn't go left. They went for a GP platform and the economic structure is Right Wing. I expect the Liberals to implement the Tax cut and drop the carbon tax as a campaign plank.
Meanwhile the NB libs have their greedy paws ready for a Carbon Tax and Tax CUT for the Rich in NB so, its hard to say what the LPC are going after an election.
Sun, 2008-10-19 18:31
#49
quote:
It does seem like Dion's failure is being used as a convenient excuse by the likes of Manley to turn the Liberal Party further right. How did that work out for Paul Martin? The last thing the Liberals should attribute their dismal showing to is that they'd "turned too far left."
The Liberals didn't go to far to the Left. They didn't go left. They went for a GP platform and the economic structure is Right Wing. I expect the Liberals to implement the Tax cut and drop the carbon tax as a campaign plank.
Meanwhile the NB libs have their greedy paws ready for a Carbon Tax and Tax CUT for the Rich in NB so, its hard to say what the LPC are going after an election.
Sun, 2008-10-19 18:36
#50
quote:
+ I don't think many people are aware of McKenna's anti-abortion stance yet. That's a no-no.
The LPC have been dodging abortion for years. Now the anti-abortion side of the party is growing. Most don't discuss it in public, but both LPC and Form LPC MPs and MPPs in ridings I have lived in have been anti-abortion, but not openly or publicly.
Some try to hide their stance and play the field openly like Elizabeth May has done. She is considered by certain church members as anti abortion pro life and to other orgs as pro choice.
Regardless, this gets votes, it is a vote getter, regardless of whether McKenna would do any more then the current CPC who use the same tactic.
Sun, 2008-10-19 18:36
#51
quote:
+ I don't think many people are aware of McKenna's anti-abortion stance yet. That's a no-no.
The LPC have been dodging abortion for years. Now the anti-abortion side of the party is growing. Most don't discuss it in public, but both LPC and Form LPC MPs and MPPs in ridings I have lived in have been anti-abortion, but not openly or publicly.
Some try to hide their stance and play the field openly like Elizabeth May has done. She is considered by certain church members as anti abortion pro life and to other orgs as pro choice.
Regardless, this gets votes, it is a vote getter, regardless of whether McKenna would do any more then the current CPC who use the same tactic.