What are you talking about? What "softness"? The CCD has been criticized roundly by babblers for years. There isn't one single post in this thread that says anything good about the CCD.
So why are you feeling "disturbed"?
[ 16 October 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]
What are you talking about? What "softness"? The CCD has been criticized roundly by babblers for years. There isn't one single post in this thread that says anything good about the CCD.
So why are you feeling "disturbed"?
[ 16 October 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]
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Originally posted by Prophit:
[b]I live in the northern reaches of Thornhill and can tell you that Peter Kent signs adorned the lawns of many there as well. I can also tell you that this area where I live is far from Jewish, more Italian and South Asian decent. Friends polling for the NDP candidate told me that Kent was doing surprisingly well within those areas as well.[/b]
Well his margin was quite big and the riding is only 35-40% Jewish, so he had to do well among other groups as well. But it looks like no ethnic group in Canada is majority-Liberal any more and the Tories have made inroads among Italians, Chinese and South Asians as well (i.e. Oak Ridges, Richmond BC, and nearly taking Brampton West). Kent's "big name" probably drew a lot of votes as well.
It looks like the Tories' courting of ethnic communities has largely paid off.
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Originally posted by Prophit:
[b]I live in the northern reaches of Thornhill and can tell you that Peter Kent signs adorned the lawns of many there as well. I can also tell you that this area where I live is far from Jewish, more Italian and South Asian decent. Friends polling for the NDP candidate told me that Kent was doing surprisingly well within those areas as well.[/b]
Well his margin was quite big and the riding is only 35-40% Jewish, so he had to do well among other groups as well. But it looks like no ethnic group in Canada is majority-Liberal any more and the Tories have made inroads among Italians, Chinese and South Asians as well (i.e. Oak Ridges, Richmond BC, and nearly taking Brampton West). Kent's "big name" probably drew a lot of votes as well.
It looks like the Tories' courting of ethnic communities has largely paid off.
The Tory courting of ethnic minorities probably handed the NDP a seat in Vancouver-Kingsway. The Tory vote in that riding (which has a very large Chinese population) soared from 18% to 29% and I suspect that it almost all came from the Liberals who lost their big edge in that community.
Thank you Tories in Kingsway - we couldn't have done it without you.
It was also notable that the Tories crushed the liberal in the most heavily Chinese riding of all in Richmond, BC and that in Bill Siksay's Burnaby-Douglas seat(which also has a very large Chinese population) - the Liberal vote plummeted and the Tory was his main opposition.
The Tory courting of ethnic minorities probably handed the NDP a seat in Vancouver-Kingsway. The Tory vote in that riding (which has a very large Chinese population) soared from 18% to 29% and I suspect that it almost all came from the Liberals who lost their big edge in that community.
Thank you Tories in Kingsway - we couldn't have done it without you.
It was also notable that the Tories crushed the liberal in the most heavily Chinese riding of all in Richmond, BC and that in Bill Siksay's Burnaby-Douglas seat(which also has a very large Chinese population) - the Liberal vote plummeted and the Tory was his main opposition.
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Originally posted by ghoris:
[QB]Joe Volpe had a surprisingly close call in Eglinton-Lawrence too:Volpe (Liberal) 19,108
Oliver (Conservative) 16,848
James (Green) 3,826
Chatwin (NDP) 3,680A stronger NDP showing and the Tories might have snatched this one. Max Bialystock has better political antennae than most, it would seem.
I just report the facts as I see them. I take no pleasure in being proven correct.
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Originally posted by ghoris:
[QB]Joe Volpe had a surprisingly close call in Eglinton-Lawrence too:Volpe (Liberal) 19,108
Oliver (Conservative) 16,848
James (Green) 3,826
Chatwin (NDP) 3,680A stronger NDP showing and the Tories might have snatched this one. Max Bialystock has better political antennae than most, it would seem.
I just report the facts as I see them. I take no pleasure in being proven correct.
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Originally posted by Stockholm:
BTW: Isn't it interesting how people on the far left will stereotype Jews as all being "neocons", but people on the far right think Jews are all "godless communists" and go on about the ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government).Draw what conclusions you wish from that.
The fact is the Jews of Thornhill voted Conservative because of one single issue - ISRAEL. Shame on them!
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Originally posted by Stockholm:
BTW: Isn't it interesting how people on the far left will stereotype Jews as all being "neocons", but people on the far right think Jews are all "godless communists" and go on about the ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government).Draw what conclusions you wish from that.
The fact is the Jews of Thornhill voted Conservative because of one single issue - ISRAEL. Shame on them!
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Originally posted by Max Bialystock:
[b]The fact is the Jews of Thornhill voted Conservative because of one single issue - ISRAEL. Shame on them![/b]
That is not fair. It simply is not true. I am a Jew. I live in Thornhill and I did not vote Tory. I know quite a few other "Jews" who did not vote Tory and also live in Thornhill. Such stereotyping is really wrong in my judgement.
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Originally posted by Max Bialystock:
[b]The fact is the Jews of Thornhill voted Conservative because of one single issue - ISRAEL. Shame on them![/b]
That is not fair. It simply is not true. I am a Jew. I live in Thornhill and I did not vote Tory. I know quite a few other "Jews" who did not vote Tory and also live in Thornhill. Such stereotyping is really wrong in my judgement.
I'm Jewish as well and I'm sickened by the fact that so many of my fellow Jews decided to cast their vote for whoever takes the most extreme pro-Israel position and to hell with everything else.
Just go up to the Bathurst to Yonge see how many blue Kent signs are still up there. Religious fanaticism has won the day in Thornhill.
I'm Jewish as well and I'm sickened by the fact that so many of my fellow Jews decided to cast their vote for whoever takes the most extreme pro-Israel position and to hell with everything else.
Just go up to the Bathurst to Yonge see how many blue Kent signs are still up there. Religious fanaticism has won the day in Thornhill.
How can you say shame on a voter for voting the way they voted? How would you like it if someone said shame on you for voting the way you voted?
That is completely outrageous and an affront to democracy.
A democrat would accept the will of the voters and make the best of it that they could.
How can you say shame on a voter for voting the way they voted? How would you like it if someone said shame on you for voting the way you voted?
That is completely outrageous and an affront to democracy.
A democrat would accept the will of the voters and make the best of it that they could.
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Originally posted by Uncle John:
A democrat would accept the will of the voters and make the best of it that they could.
Fuck off. I accept that Kent was democratically elected. I retain my right to condemn people for voting for him.
But according to you, I guess it's wrong to condemn those racist voters in West Virginia and Pennslyvania Democratic primaries who voted for Hillary because they didn't want a black man to run for president. Since Hillary "won" those states I guess condemnation is "an affront to democracy."
[ 16 October 2008: Message edited by: Max Bialystock ]
[ 16 October 2008: Message edited by: Max Bialystock ]
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Originally posted by Uncle John:
A democrat would accept the will of the voters and make the best of it that they could.
Fuck off. I accept that Kent was democratically elected. I retain my right to condemn people for voting for him.
But according to you, I guess it's wrong to condemn those racist voters in West Virginia and Pennslyvania Democratic primaries who voted for Hillary because they didn't want a black man to run for president. Since Hillary "won" those states I guess condemnation is "an affront to democracy."
[ 16 October 2008: Message edited by: Max Bialystock ]
[ 16 October 2008: Message edited by: Max Bialystock ]
Max it is the fact that you choose to identify these voters by their faith and then make assumptions that all those of the same faith voted in a particular manner. Hiding behind your own professed Judaism is really meaningless. Sterotyping is still stereotyping. It is wrong and it is highly offensive.
Max it is the fact that you choose to identify these voters by their faith and then make assumptions that all those of the same faith voted in a particular manner. Hiding behind your own professed Judaism is really meaningless. Sterotyping is still stereotyping. It is wrong and it is highly offensive.
Hi Bernie.
Hi Bernie.
oh, that peter kent video is so slimy, so ...grrr...
oh, that peter kent video is so slimy, so ...grrr...
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Originally posted by Max Bialystock:
[b]The fact is the Jews of Thornhill voted Conservative because of one single issue - ISRAEL. Shame on them![/b]
Hi, could you please not stereotype? That would be lovely. I'm sure every Jewish person in Thornhill didn't vote Conservative.
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Originally posted by Max Bialystock:
[b]The fact is the Jews of Thornhill voted Conservative because of one single issue - ISRAEL. Shame on them![/b]
Hi, could you please not stereotype? That would be lovely. I'm sure every Jewish person in Thornhill didn't vote Conservative.
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Originally posted by Lord Palmerston:
[b]Well his margin was quite big and the riding is only 35-40% Jewish, so he had to do well among other groups as well. But it looks like no ethnic group in Canada is majority-Liberal any more and the Tories have made inroads among Italians, Chinese and South Asians as well (i.e. Oak Ridges, Richmond BC, and nearly taking Brampton West). Kent's "big name" probably drew a lot of votes as well.
It looks like the Tories' courting of ethnic communities has largely paid off.[/b]
And Maurizio B.'s margin in Vaughan was way narrower than he's been accustomed to...
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Originally posted by Lord Palmerston:
[b]Well his margin was quite big and the riding is only 35-40% Jewish, so he had to do well among other groups as well. But it looks like no ethnic group in Canada is majority-Liberal any more and the Tories have made inroads among Italians, Chinese and South Asians as well (i.e. Oak Ridges, Richmond BC, and nearly taking Brampton West). Kent's "big name" probably drew a lot of votes as well.
It looks like the Tories' courting of ethnic communities has largely paid off.[/b]
And Maurizio B.'s margin in Vaughan was way narrower than he's been accustomed to...
Kent is a lot older than the ancient picture on his signs.
Kent is a lot older than the ancient picture on his signs.
...which are recycled signs from his '06 St. Paul's campaign, anyway. (And surprisingly ugly signs, considering his supposed stature in that campaign.)
I believe (at least, judging from a drive along Steeles) his non-recycled signs this go-around were standard Tory white-on-blue, no photos.
...which are recycled signs from his '06 St. Paul's campaign, anyway. (And surprisingly ugly signs, considering his supposed stature in that campaign.)
I believe (at least, judging from a drive along Steeles) his non-recycled signs this go-around were standard Tory white-on-blue, no photos.
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Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]Hi, could you please not stereotype? That would be lovely. I'm sure every Jewish person in Thornhill didn't vote Conservative.[/b]
Never said they did.
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Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]Hi, could you please not stereotype? That would be lovely. I'm sure every Jewish person in Thornhill didn't vote Conservative.[/b]
Never said they did.
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Originally posted by adma:
I believe (at least, judging from a drive along Steeles) his non-recycled signs this go-around were standard Tory white-on-blue, no photos.
Are you sure they weren't Israeli flags?
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Originally posted by adma:
I believe (at least, judging from a drive along Steeles) his non-recycled signs this go-around were standard Tory white-on-blue, no photos.
Are you sure they weren't Israeli flags?
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Originally posted by Max Bialystock:
[b]Are you sure they weren't Israeli flags?[/b]
Come to think of it, you may have a "colours of Israel" point there--sort of parallel to the old saw about Poles supporting Liberals because of a certain red-and-white solidarity...
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Originally posted by Max Bialystock:
[b]Are you sure they weren't Israeli flags?[/b]
Come to think of it, you may have a "colours of Israel" point there--sort of parallel to the old saw about Poles supporting Liberals because of a certain red-and-white solidarity...
Kent will be hard to dislodge. I would have thought the ultra-religious Jewish vote would be upset about the Sukkot election, but apparently they love Harper so much that they'll vote against a Jewish Liberal for a non-Jewish Tory on an election called on Sukkot.
[ 20 October 2008: Message edited by: St. Paul's Progressive ]
Kent will be hard to dislodge. I would have thought the ultra-religious Jewish vote would be upset about the Sukkot election, but apparently they love Harper so much that they'll vote against a Jewish Liberal for a non-Jewish Tory on an election called on Sukkot.
[ 20 October 2008: Message edited by: St. Paul's Progressive ]
Ah, a non-Jewish Tory, but touched by the hand of Asper, remember.
Ah, a non-Jewish Tory, but touched by the hand of Asper, remember.
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Originally posted by adma:
[b]Ah, a non-Jewish Tory, but touched by the hand of Asper, remember.[/b]
Yes but before that touched by the hand of the CBC.
I wonder does CBC negate Asper [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
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Originally posted by adma:
[b]Ah, a non-Jewish Tory, but touched by the hand of Asper, remember.[/b]
Yes but before that touched by the hand of the CBC.
I wonder does CBC negate Asper [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
I wonder to what extent Kent's attacks on the CBC helped his vote in Thornhill's Orthodox areas.
I wonder to what extent Kent's attacks on the CBC helped his vote in Thornhill's Orthodox areas.
LP I don't know but Susan Kadis lost 13,000 votes from 2006. In 2006 she won by 8,000 and change and now she lost by 5,000
That spread is more than just the Jewish Vote. I can't wait for the poll by poll results to be released because I have to assume that their was movement across the riding away from Susan.
She was not that popular for supporting some building and development that residents don't like.
Also she was endorsed by the Vaughan Council which is the kiss of death [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
LP I don't know but Susan Kadis lost 13,000 votes from 2006. In 2006 she won by 8,000 and change and now she lost by 5,000
That spread is more than just the Jewish Vote. I can't wait for the poll by poll results to be released because I have to assume that their was movement across the riding away from Susan.
She was not that popular for supporting some building and development that residents don't like.
Also she was endorsed by the Vaughan Council which is the kiss of death [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
Well, I'd assume she lost significant non-Jewish share, too.
Consider, especially, the swing in neighbouring Vaughan (Maurizio B.'s seat)--the Liberals down from 59.7 to 49.2, the Tories up from 26.1 to 34.3; for the Grits to be reduced to a plurality and a 15-point margin in Vaughan surely counts as a shock result of sorts...
Well, I'd assume she lost significant non-Jewish share, too.
Consider, especially, the swing in neighbouring Vaughan (Maurizio B.'s seat)--the Liberals down from 59.7 to 49.2, the Tories up from 26.1 to 34.3; for the Grits to be reduced to a plurality and a 15-point margin in Vaughan surely counts as a shock result of sorts...
