Coalition government activism

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Lord Palmerston

genstrike wrote:

What is the point of opposing this coalition from the left?  If the NDP were a serious leftist anti-capitalist party I can understand the sentiment of "no cooperation with the capitalists", but it isn't.

As reformist as the politics of the NDP may be, this "the NDP is just another capitalist party" line is just nonsense.   Try visiting upper Westmount, Forest Hill or West Vancouver and let us know how many NDP supporters you find there.    

The CAW's recent moves notwithstanding, most union leaders and activists have supported the NDP historically, even if the rank and file voted mostly Liberal and Tory.  Corporate Canada doesn't support the NDP at all an in fact opposes it strongly, as it is a party clearly rooted in the working class movement, despite its pro-capitalist record in provincial office.

Policywonk

Wilf Day wrote:

Round one to the Coalition:

Place, numbers for Coalition, numbers against:

Toronto: 3,000 versus 500

Montreal: 1,000 versus 30.

 

Thanks, I was waiting for numbers. I haven't heard how many were at the anti-coalition rallies in Alberta today, but the two were about equal in Edmonton on Thursday.

Pride for Red D...

Not to be a downer,but I was there at Montreal and I'm not certain there was 1000..I did arrive late however. The rally was really great however.

I'm glad that we got the better turnout. :)

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More for the coalition also turned out in Nanaimo, but I have no idea what the numbers were I just watched it on TV. 

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Wilf Day

The first job is to help the media explain to the public how the parliamentary system works. The media have not done a good job until the past week. Many working journalists feel guilty and are looking for good quotes.

It's odd how seldom the defeat of John A. Macdonald in 1873 gets mentioned. He faced a non-confidence vote more than a year after the 1872 election.

The second election for the new country of Canada began on July 20, 1872, but the writs for Gaspé, Chicoutimi and Saguenay, Manitoba and British Columbia were not returnable until October 12, 1872. This resulted in about 103 Conservatives and 97 Liberals. When the new parliament convened March 5, 1983, Alexander Mackenzie became Liberal leader. On April 2 the Pacific Scandal erupted. After having sat 59 days, plus a lengthy adjournment while a committee investigated, Macdonald got a prorogation of Parliament on August 13 over strong opposition resistance (although a shorter prorogation than he had wished), and got a Royal Commission appointed to further investigate the affair. The scandal was such that the Governor-General considered dismissing Macdonald, but his instructions from Britain were that it was the business of the Canadian Parliament to decide whether to withdraw confidence. On Oct. 23, 1873, Parliament re-opened. Alexander MacKenzie moved a censure motion against Macdonald. Within a few days of the opening of Parliament, support for the government began to weaken, and continued day by day. On Nov. 4 two more MPs deserted him, leaving him certain of censure. Macdonald resigned Nov. 5 rather than be defeated, and the Governor General invited Mackenzie to form a Government.  Alexander Mackenzie was sworn in as Prime Minister Nov. 7, 1873, more than a year after the previous election. The same day he prorogued the new session after only 11 sitting days. It never resumed: on January 2nd he was granted a dissolution, and the election was held January 22.

But there was no thought of Macdonald being granted a dissolution.

toddsschneider

Pride for Red Dolores wrote:

Not to be a downer,but I was there at Montreal and I'm not certain there was 1000..I did arrive late however. The rally was really great however.

I'm glad that we got the better turnout. :)

The highest number I have seen for Montreal is more than 2000, as quoted in the good ol' Gazette.

I loved the drumming ensemble intro. I disliked the anti-West sloganeering. Yes we can .. do better than that.

I left early, after a number of French speeches and English pop-rock live music (go figure).  Lots of provincial labour section members and banners.  As a petty-bourgeois management lackey, I was working the Blackberry in the boss's absence, so I missed both Gilles Duceppe and Thomas Mulcair.  But I obtained a very nice bilingual Coalition Yes/Oui placard as a souvenir.

Strangely enough, we did not sing O Canada in either English or French.

Pride for Red D...

I think I probably arrived after you left. I heard the head of a Unioversity student's asociation speak, a female labour leader, Thomas Mulcliar, and Gilles Duceppe. The band was really good-especially the Tina Turner tunes. I arrived when they were playing "Respect".  I thought the rally was supposed to last until 4pm ? It ended at 2:30ish.They ended with drums, so I know what you mean, they were pretty good.

 

As for singing O Canada, some of the organizations there were pro-sovreigtny...they all cheered after Duceppe made a reference to it. 

 

I would have liked to quietly go to the Conservative rally, just to hear what they were saying. 

I hope there are more rallies between now and tghe end of January, as I think it will be very important to keep up this momentum.  Where you there as part of an organization ?

outwest

 

There were 125 at the freezing pro-coalition rally in Calgary on Thursday at 5:30 in front of the federal Harry Hays building. Notice was sent out by the NDP. Pretty fine turn-out for this town. 

 

Media notices reviewing the anti-coalition rally in Calgary on Saturday only said there were "thousands at anti-coalition rallies across the country." I took that to mean there were less than a thousand at the Calgary rally, otherwise I'm positive they would have bragged big time.

 

Unionist

Good show, outwest!

toddsschneider

Pride for Red Dolores wrote:

I would have liked to quietly go to the Conservative rally, just to hear what they were saying. 

I hope there are more rallies between now and tghe end of January, as I think it will be very important to keep up this momentum.  Where you there as part of an organization?

"I wouldn't want to be a member of any club" ... just kidding.  No, I saw the NDP Quebec banner but didn't get behind it. I also kept my distance from my sovereignist allies.

I wouldn't want to get too close to the Conservative rallies though. I have a low tolerance for knee-jerks, such as these comments:

http://tinyurl.com/6qrmdp

"Canadians voted 143 seats for the Conservatives, and I believe the
Liberals and NDP and Bloc are trying to overthrow the Conservatives,"
said 39-year-old truck operator Norm Farrell, attending his first
demonstration. "I don't believe Canadians are used to a system of a
coalition, and we have to stick to what we know.".

People I know and love talk this way. It might be a good day to stay under the duvet.  All day. Politics makes for strange bedfellows, even when you're alone in it.

toddsschneider

Tractors block traffic in Ottawa in coalition protest

http://tinyurl.com/6c4dlv

... Jamie MacMaster, director of the landowners association
and one of the protest organizers, was still concerned about the
possibility of a coalition ...

"Nobody that I know of in rural Ontario … voted for any kind of
coalition," he said. "And I can take it a step further and say nobody
certainly voted for a coalition that's going to have a separatist at
the helm." ...

Ian Cumming, a dairy farmer from Williamstown in Glengarry county
who joined the protest, said he understands that the possibility of a
coalition government "might have merit" legally but isn't appropriate
for a time of crisis.  "So what's being done here is just foolish and childish and downright dangerous, actually," he said ...

Right you are. What you're doing, that is.

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