"Jewish Congress heralds name change"

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Stockholm wrote:

If it bores you, don't read it.

You are an expert at tautology, I will give you that.

it's noteworthy because the name change - from "Congrès juif canadien, Région Québec" i to "Congrès juif québécois" - I believe, is an attempt, by the Congress,  to garner some kinda solidarity among quebecois, with Jews (read Israel)

It's not that "Jews anywhere aren't worthy of support" - not my point at all - but it's a sneaky - but necessary - way to appear Quebec-based - in the largely "antiguerre" Quebec - as if anticipating the on-going US (and expanding NATO's) "remaking" of the Muslim Middle East.

 

accomplishing that would be significant... especially since Canada's - and Quebec's - role in AFghanistan and elsewhere is about to expand - despite the dulcet tones of Mr. Harper, re: "Canada's combat mission ending 2011"

 

They're about to reverse that policy - I predict - and it's timely - and strategic - that the "Congres juif quebecois" should appear "Quebec-friendly", in the lead-up to that military expansion.

Its worth noting that because of immigration from places like Morocco, the Jewish community in Quebec is much less monolothically anglophone than it once was. you would be surprised at the proportion of Jews in Montreal who are francophone these days.

"The so-called "War in Iraq" - whether anyone acknowledges it or NOT - was all about "greater Israel""

This is really starting to verge on the old anti-semitic canard that Jews control world events and that there is some sort of conspiracy. Like Mel Gibson going on about how "Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world". The crackpots in the Bush administration had plenty of bizarre reasons of their own for wanting to invade Iraq and they had little or nothing to do with Israel.

With the attention paid to this Canadian Jewish Congress one would think its the most important entity in Canada.

Well, it does seem to have a hand in driving Canadian government policy these days.

 

Linda McQuaig has a good article on rabble about this right now.

Sure, as long as you continue making statements like this:

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French English or Yiddish-speaking, (practically ALL) Jews will tend to sympathize with Israel.

 

But the only thing I'd like you to shut up about is making statements like that.

 

Stockholm wrote:

"The so-called "War in Iraq" - whether anyone acknowledges it or NOT - was all about "greater Israel""
This is really starting to verge on the old anti-semitic canard that Jews control world events and that there is some sort of conspiracy. Like Mel Gibson going on about how "Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world". The crackpots in the Bush administration had plenty of bizarre reasons of their own for wanting to invade Iraq and they had little or nothing to do with Israel.

Please
"the old () canard that Jews control world events and that there is some sort of conspiracy" needn't be "anti-semitic" if it's only reflecting reality, is it? Reality is now anti-semitic too?
http://bit.ly/2pJeT
also, please read this and refute it: http://bit.ly/imperialism_or_apocolyps
and, just out of curiosity, could you explain to us all why Irving "scooter" Libby would LIE to a grand jury commit perjury AND obstruction of justice? unless he had something enormous to hide?

here's a clue: it had something to do with phoney WMD "evidence", if you'll simply google it, or open a book and read about it you'd KNOW... he lied to protect the conspiracy behind the "Project" from becoming public! duh!

and further, also  out of curiosity, could you tell me - in reality - how many on the men pictured, in the group-shot, in the article, who were hired by George W. Bush, and who planned (and invented evidence to carry out) the "War in Iraq", also hold dual U.S./Israeli passports?

okay, how 'bout some fresh rebuttal on the tired old facts 

lagatta wrote:

By the way, I can't use the link tool - I don't even see it on the board. There are a lot of people who have extreme restrictions like that with the new software. I can't add code such as underline, bold, italic etc either. All those things have disappeared for me with the new software, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

do you see the "Disable rich-text" option? below the comments window? try clicking on that if it's there - might help with "tools"

contrarianna wrote:

I second what It's Me D said.

Those remarks are anti-semetic and bigoted.

"those remarks" are factual, if a tad poorly-worded, given that, ALL Jews, regardless of their politics, or language, or where they are in the world, ARE potentially-Israeli citizens, and ANY country's citizens - "potentially" or actual - DO tend to sympathize WITH their own (potential) country.

and just how was the U.S. illegal, immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq a "War"?

Saddam had no army, no navy, and three aircraft.

the term "War" is a device used to garner support in the (esp. American) public FOR the action taken. "Call it a "War", and insist they "support our troops", and that if they don't they're traitors!" - and while THAT is as fascistic as it gets, it still doesn't make it a "War"

I note that Canada calls her action in Afghanistan a "mission" - however the term "War in Afghanistan" is freely bandied about by the walking unconscious.

It's against the Geneva Conventions - as everybody knows - to attack another nation without provocation. Nevertheless, that is what George W. Bush did, using 9/11 "terror!" as a cover.

If the residents, OF the nation so-attacked, KNOW about the Geneva Conventions, and realize the illegality of the invasion into their own country, their resistence TO that attack doesn't constitute a declaration OR an acknowledgment of "War" - it's a righteous resistence! the same resistence that almost every citizen. of any country in the world, would feel some just avoid eye-contact with the invaders. Others build roadside bombs.

that ain't "War"

note: #9 post, above, I said "(practically ALL) Jews will tend to sympathize with Israel"

 

and you mistakenly take that to mean ALL Jews... now THAT would be untrue - had I actually SAID that, but I didn't - you wrong

 

it's also wrong - being either stupid (imho) or devious - to call that "anti-semitic"?

fogbrella wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

I second what It's Me D said.

Those remarks are anti-semetic and bigoted.

"those remarks" are factual, if a tad poorly-worded, given that, ALL Jews, regardless of their politics, or language, or where they are in the world, ARE potentially-Israeli citizens, and ANY country's citizens - "potentially" or actual - DO tend to sympathize WITH their own (potential) country.

They do? Come on man get a grip. Some of the most active anti-Zionists on this board are Jewish. Sentimental appeal for ones "homeland" comes, more often than not, from the familiarity of being born and brought up in a certain place, not ideological conditions imposed by a country one has never visited. The logic you are applying is exactly the kind of logic used to justify the disenfranchisement, abuse and imprisonment of Canadian and American (Nisei) Japanese during WWII, and it is a flawed logic that results in bigotry.

Just because Israel says that it represents all Jews does not make it so.

I strongly recommend that you reconsider your remarks, and rethink you ideas on this issue, because you are a new voice on this board, and one with a lot to say, but if you continue with this line, your stay will certainly be a short one.

Cueball wrote:

fogbrella wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

I second what It's Me D said.

Those remarks are anti-semetic and bigoted.

"those remarks" are factual, if a tad poorly-worded, given that, ALL Jews, regardless of their politics, or language, or where they are in the world, ARE potentially-Israeli citizens, and ANY country's citizens - "potentially" or actual - DO tend to sympathize WITH their own (potential) country.

They do? Come on man get a grip. Some of the most active anti-Zionists on this board are Jewish. (...)

Just because Israel says that it represents all Jews does not make it so.

(...)

and " I strongly recommend that you reconsider your remarks, and rethink you ideas on this issue, because you are a new voice on this board..."

last point first: While I'll agree that having wrong-headed - including "bigotted" - ideas might be grounds to disappear someone from these boards, I don't know why being "a new voice" should - unless I've stepped on a few toes, so to speak - upon entry - for that I apologize

Second point: I've never said that "Israel represents all Jews" - that's your wild interpretation - not what I meant at all

I also didn't say they (anyone) will sympathize FULLY with their perceived or real homeland, either. (your assumption)

I said that people "tend" toward sympathizing with their home country - whether by actual citizenship or (in the case of Israel visa vi Jews worldwide=) potential citizenship - "tend toward sympathizing" - get it?

but HEY! we're talking about "the Jewish people" and their relationship to Israel, here!

You're going to argue that practically everyone, of the Jewish faith, doesn't consider Israel with some particular "longing" or other?

 What?

And I can dig your "Sentimental appeal for ones "homeland" comes, more often than not, from the familiarity of being born and brought up in a certain place, not ideological conditions imposed by a country one has never visited."(sic)

But "Get a grip!"- again, we're talking about the Jewish people! who have suffered historic persecutions like practically no other group in the world and who all simply MUST have entertained some yearning for that geography - you're not going to simply ignore that are you?

That would be astonishing. Please do some research on Jewish history before answering.

It's about the deep-down connection that Jews anywhere - probably more than any other people - naturally feel  for their TRUE home - Israel!

I'll bet that a LOT of Jewish anti-Zionist activists entertain thoughts of retiring in Israel - just not in Israel's current political (ie Likudnik )configuration - and who could blame them!

it's the "promised land" - even despite Zionist-extremism raising - but not necessarily showing - it's ugly head? Come on!

and as to your first point, "Some of the most active anti-Zionists on this board are Jewish", Wonderful! I'm truly gratified BY that -

I hope I'll get to know and love them all - I DO personally know and love Jewish anti-Zionist activists - and for more than their "politics" - Shalom! to you all!

However, with all due respect, considering anything I've said above to be "bigotted" or "anti-Semitic" is completely without foundation

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Well, it does seem to have a hand in driving Canadian government policy these days.

 

Linda McQuaig has a good article on rabble about this right now.

Really? Oh yes Linda's fiction about the Learned elders of Zion manipulating our government. It was a shameful piece of crap.

Eliezer Zusken wrote:

Really? Oh yes Linda's fiction about the Learned elders of Zion manipulating our government. It was a shameful piece of crap.

 

JDL leader Meir Weinstein bragged about how he convinced the government to bar MP George Galloway from entering Canada. Are you going to accuse him of being an Elder of Zion too?

 

Speaking of Weinstein:

 

 

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Terrorist organization that planned to bomb Concordia University advised Canadian government to ban MP George Galloway

 

The Jewish Defense League, is categorized by the FBI as a "right-wing Jewish terrorist group", founded in 1968 by ultra Zionist Meir Kahane. Kanahe then founded the terrorist group Khach in Israel. JDL leader Meir Weinstein (no relation to the author) boasts of getting the Canadian government to ban Galloway.

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Eliezer Zusken wrote:

Really? Oh yes Linda's fiction about the Learned elders of Zion manipulating our government. It was a shameful piece of crap.

 

JDL leader Meir Weinstein bragged about how he convinced the government to bar MP George Galloway from entering Canada. Are you going to accuse him of being an Elder of Zion too?

 

Speaking of Weinstein:

 

 

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Terrorist organization that planned to bomb Concordia University advised Canadian government to ban MP George Galloway

 

The Jewish Defense League, is categorized by the FBI as a "right-wing Jewish terrorist group", founded in 1968 by ultra Zionist Meir Kahane. Kanahe then founded the terrorist group Khach in Israel. JDL leader Meir Weinstein (no relation to the author) boasts of getting the Canadian government to ban Galloway.

And if Meir Weisnstein claimed to be Elvis Presley secretly hidden all these years as head of the JDL, would you believe that too?

And since when is the FBI operational in Canada? To the best of my knowledge we have not yet been annexed as an American state.

Okay Unionist, let's dial it down. 

fogbrella used some bad phrasing, that seems to be coming from a well-intended place. It isn't over the top. To me, it reads as someone who is a non-Jew trying to make sense of it all.

For the record, fogbrella, these two sentences:

"French English or Yiddish-speaking, (practically ALL) Jews will tend to sympathize with Israel."

"ALL Jews, regardless of their politics, or language, or where they are in the world, ARE potentially-Israeli citizens, and ANY country's citizens - "potentially" or actual - DO tend to sympathize WITH their own (potential) country."

...are used by people who are anti-semitic to further promote that hatred. As someone new, who we don't really know yet, I get that you're onside with pro-Palestinian ideas, all your posts on George Galloway have indicated this. You may not be up on right-wing phraseology, but most of us here are, on a wide range of issues.

I also need to say that such large scale generalizations such as those two quotes will tend to be inaccurate. I get that you've included "escape" words such as "practically all" and "tend to" but they clearly aren't strong enough to counter the overall statements, the truths of which are, in fact, debatable and not fixed.

Being new on the board means two things: you don't know the regular and long-term posters, and we don't know you. The only way to learn about each other is through posting. We've seen your posts. But I don't think you know how well-spoken and well-read both Unionist and Cueball are on the issues of Jews and Israel and Palestine.

So, no calls for fucking off and dying, okay? If we've learned anything in the past week isn't it that you notify a moderator when a babbler says something that you find counter to babble's policy? michelle(at)rabble(dot)ca or oldgoat(at)rabble(dot)ca. I'm at bigcitygal(at)rabble(dot)ca.

Is there any chance this thread can get back to the original topic?

fogbrella wrote:

since when is stating fact-based opinion a criminal offence?

It doesn't make you a criminal.

It merely makes you something else.*

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Jews worldwide, regardless of the language they speak, tend to sympathize with Israel!

I'm Jewish, and I say you're mistaken. By the way, the translation of "you're mistaken" in the language I speak is literally "you're something else altogether"*. No offence intended, it's just a fact-based linguistic tidbit.

*[amended after having been admonished by Maysie to provide respect even where little or none is due.]

 

fogbrella, I've read all your posts, and I get the strong impression you're trying cause trouble while hiding behind a fig leaf of plausable deniability through the use of weasel words.  It would appear that your fig leaf is inadequate.  Seeing as the mods are talking about this now, and it's one of those days when we're never together at once, I shall for the moment just close your account pending.

Unionist, thank you for amending your posts by deleting the more colourful Anglo-Saxonizms, in the spirit of our new and friendlier place.

 

a;mended for language

Unionist wrote:

fogbrella wrote:

 

I'll bet that a LOT of Jewish anti-Zionist activists entertain thoughts of retiring in Israel - just not in Israel's current political (ie Likudnik )configuration - and who could blame them!

 

I'm not as polite as Cueball.

"FOAD!" 

"FOAD" for what? are you accusing me of anti-Semitism or bigotry? is that why you'd have me "FOAD"?

or is it that I should "FOAD" because I might have some proportionality wrong, in some sweeping statement I made?

youll have to clarify that, for me, for your "FOAD" request to truly have it's effect.