super thermite found in 9/11 dust from WTC towers: Part 2

I thought I closed this damn thread!

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Oh, um, I mean, cool, a part 2.

I'm adding "part 2" to the thread title to avoid confusion in others. At least about the thread title. The rest, unfortunately, I'm not responsible for. At least there's no photos of damn bugs in this one. Ick.

Aw, shit, you have special powers now? Are the termites, I mean thermites under your control too? We're doooomed!!

Ehh what are you doing . Aaah your jedi mind trick doesn't work on me. (Bad fake Lucas Italian accent.)

You are right. I will correct it.

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Webgear, thanks for that thermite grenade demonstration. It's the only useful post in the thread so far. Anyone who bothers to take a look should be able to equate the melting of the corner of a metal safe with the possible effects of thermite on, say, iron girders....

cueball wrote:

Conspiracy theory, of whatever kind, is usually a distraction.

I agree. Found Bin Laden yet?

I hope the point wasn't that destroying other peoples property for fun is something "cool and fun".

I think the point was that humankind has the ability to cut metal with heat.  Like the commercials say, "The more you know..."

It's so nice to see that your smiling, polite happy demeanour is in evidence regardless of hwat site you are posting on, No Yards.

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It's OK. It was probably a capitalist metal safe.

Yeah, I know. When ever I get a little bored I walk down to HR and set their filing cabinet on fire ... you know, some day they'll probably write a law against mindlessly destroying other peoples property, heck, some day even "brown peoples" property will be protected.

Non-Truthers have suggested that 9/11 conspiracy theories undermine democratic process as well as the credibility of real skeptics of warmongering plutocracy. But this would imply that there is a democratic process to be undermined and sand-bagged in the US. This, too, is false. According to opinion polls, one-third of Americans believe their government had something to do with 9/11. I think that if somewhere around 100 million Americans believe that warmongering plutocrats really are mass murderers, then that's a pretty good start, and the democratic process is succeeding in a country where very little demcracy exists since the national security act of 1947.

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Huh.  There's one for the tech team.  Every time I pressed the spacebar, it published.  I think that was a septuple-post.

ElizaQ wrote:

Yes Fidel, I'm not surprised that this is your response. Did I say that everything in this analysis was 100% trust worthy and true? Nope.    It's also unfortunately the modus operandi of the 'truthers' to basically state or imply that anyone who questions or debunks is part of some group protecting themselves, protecting their interests etc etc. Ad hominom.

The Truthers goal, simply, is to have the very slip-shod and incomplete 9/11 investigation re-opened and pursued according to legal and constitutional requirements. And we're talking not just about a few academics, architects for 9/11 truth, pillots, lawyers, survivor's families and military officers. There are politicians and 9/11 commission panelists themselves who want this major-major criminal case re-opened and proper investigation started.

In fact, the CIA is notorious for encouraging the circulation of "citizens petitions" for signing in other countries in order to interfere in sovereign countries' democratic processes. Theyve done the reverse in the USA wrt 9/11 petitions and new bills introduced to congress. And I think that if there isnt a major war break out in Asia or Middle East as a direct or indirect result of terrorism in general, or a result of global collapse of the capitalist economic system, then there could well be a second follow up investigation of 9/11. This is a matter of democracy not conspiracy theory as the disinformation campaign, the holy old jihad against democracy and waged by non-truthers would lead us to believe.

ElizaQ wrote:

 So then your comments about my link really don't have much to do with talking about the conclusions of the actual thermite report because that is the extent of what I was commenting about.

I'd be interested to know who they are identified simply as "Our take" for the 911Myths.com site. As I said earlier, I am not a scientist and understand very little about aluminothermics/nanochemistry, and especially nothing of thermitic nanomaterials for possible use as "cutter charges" to bring down tall buildings. Heywood or someone suggested that the presence of ambient oxygen in the Danish tests is  unscientific. As far as I can tell, thermite reacts even in the absence of gaseous oxygen, as in under water.

Snert wrote:

Perhaps it's too late for democracy in the U.S., but there's really no excuse for crying wolf and flushing that credibility down the shitter. Thankfully, many on the left have put enough distance between the left and the truthers to stand as evidence that not everyone on the left is going to guzzle the Kool-aid any time there's a chance to blame the Shadow Government for something

But that's not what leading lefties are saying to lefty truthers. Obama supporters like Howard Zinn suggest that 9/11 truth is something that can never be known, and that it's JFK-like conspiracy all over again. He says, more specifically, that it undermines the real truth that US government foreign policy is creating real and legitimate terrorists whove decided to strike back at the empire. And to believe this is to accept some of the crazy George administration's and CIA's genesis fable. And the fable, in brief, goes like this: Sure we supported Islamic terrorists during holy jihad against the Soviet-backed government of Afghanistan, and then the Soviet army itself for ten years. The CIA and shadow gov spokes people claim to have severed all ties to their Islamic gladios after 1992.

And that's the smelly bullshit which people like Howard Zinn, and we still love him to pieces, cannot fathom or begin to explain let alone the two parties of warmongering plutocrats squabbling over the years as to who aided and abetted "al-Qa'eda" in Central Asia, the former Yugoslavia, Chechnya and so on. It's them on the right and so-called pragmatic middle ground who can't explain themselves about a whole range of events surrounding recent history. I dont agree with these pragmatic lefties who suggest that the terrorists are legitimate terrorists, and that neocons have a bonafide enemy on their hands when they do not. Truthers aim to cut all the way through the bull kaka and straight to the heart of the matter and root cause of global terrorism - right there in the heart of the longest running national security state and most prolific exporter of terrorism to the world.

One of the jobs I have done over the years was cutting scrap.  I got to use an oxy-acetalyne torch, and later, a plasma cutter.  Plasma cutters are superior for many reasons.   But I miss the days of adjusting the regulators, cleaning the tips, the brass torch so often handled with untanned leather fitter's gloves that the yellow copper zinc alloy was butter smooth to the touch.  And the faint garlicy smell of acetalyne, the mastery of moving from cut to cut flipping the hoses just the right way so they wouldn't get burned by slag.  The erotic hot kiss of molten steel on bare flesh from time to time. 

Plasma cutters.... sometimes things can be made too easy.

Thermite grenades?  It's like hanging a paint by numbers picture of a clown next to the Mona Lisa.

thorin_bane wrote:

Chomsky is in that camp and calls it a distraction. The distraction is that a government was in SOME WAY involved in the killing of it's own citizens for the chance to make war and kill people abroad for resources. You don't have to believe in much other than the official story is bullshit to be a "truther"

I believe there is something else behind it other than "distraction" Some of us on the left tend to mock the roughly one-third of Americans polled for believing Saddam had something to do with "al Qa'eda" and 9/11. Cheney and Rumsfeld continue to tell public audiences that this was so. McCain and US diplomats continue to tell Americans that the 9/11 hijackers entered the US by Can-Am border crossings.

The terrible truth, I think, is that not only is "al Qa'eda" a US creation and Islamic gladios still active in various fields of covert operations - so have Liberal Democrats  been complicit with aiding and abetting Islamic terrorists around the world leading up to 2001. The Clinton administration comitted war crimes in the Balkans, and they, along with British SAS and even the Iranians, helped al Qa'eda transform Bosnia into a militant Islamic state during the 1990s, well after the 1992 cutoff date mentioned by blowback proponents. Some lefties in the US dont want to admit this. Obama's election was a big event for the US left. But Obama is just another cosmetic leader of a long line of them. He's no socialist and definitely a figurehead for the warmongering plutocrats wielding real power in Washington and led by their nose hairs by Wall Street fascists

Webgear wrote:

Yes thermite devices are very power, however I can not see how could be used in a 9/11 event based of products from various organizations.

As you saw in video, it takes a single grenade a long time to ignite and burn through an object, thermite is not a precision device like other explosive methods or processes.  

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR6K90cR8Lg]Thermite weld fuses together a length of railway track[/url] lickety split

Workers seem to be using form moulds to prevent molten steel from flowing away from the weld.