Ontario "blending kindergarten and daycare"

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Wed, 2009-06-24 18:37

Stockholm

You know, I thought of myself as a pretty "partisan" person, but I think "remind" takes the cake. I honestly think that the main reason she keeps dumping on the early learning report is that there is a Liberal government in Ontario and she can't bear to acknowledge that anything remotely good could ever happen unless the NDP was in power. If the NDP was in power and appointed the same people to the commission and an identical report was issued - she swould would be chanting "Glory glory Hallelujah!

PS: If you think this is part of some bizarre mad conspiracy to privatize the entire education system - why do you think CUPE of all people are being so supportive of the report? or do you think they are in on the conspiracy to privatize everything as well?

Wed, 2009-06-24 19:04

#103

remind

I do not give a shit what CUPE is advocating in this regard, and I never even read the posts concerning it, nor do I care if ON has a Liberal government, or not.

I know what the report says, and I know what the bid is across Canada to privatize everything possible.

And I have clearly stated I am in agreement with portions of it even, but the privatizing portions are alarming, as is the 27 dollar flat rate. I have repeatedly advocated that Ontarians get active to ensure the good portions of the report are implimented, while the bad portions should be removed, so I am not sure why you are trying to paint me as partisan in this regard, nor even going so far as to paint me as loosing my "marbles."

In fact, I am getting more pissed about that disgusting propaganda ridicule technique and nasty labelling, all the time so perhaps you should remove it and I will remove my references to it, eh?

Wed, 2009-06-24 19:09

#104

Unionist

Early Learning wrote:

Wrote mine before Unionist rescinded. Sorry Unionist.

No problem. But I did rescind mine 5 minutes before you posted yours.

Anyway, I accused you of nothing. I was merely questioning "better than nothing" as a strategy. But it's your battle and I'll give you the respect of fighting it as you see fit. I just hope no one promotes this as a federal substitute for real child care.

Wed, 2009-06-24 19:14

#105

Stockholm

"I do not give a shit what CUPE is advocating in this regard"

Well maybe you should give a shit. They are spending millions of dollars a year trying to fight against privatization and they have an army of full time staff who are experts in the field and who are on the look out for any "privatization by stealth" schemes - the fact that they applaud these recommendations as a step towards bolstering the PUBLIC sector in this area speaks volums to me.

Wed, 2009-06-24 19:27

#106

remind

They apparently applauded SOME recommendations, and I also noted right at the very beginning of this thread, that it has the potential to do that too, so I am not sure wtf you are on about, other than attacking me personally for indicating what is wrong in the report, and for indicating what to watch for and action both for and against.

Wed, 2009-06-24 19:29

#107

Stockholm

Quite frankly, I find the suggestion that this report will lead to privatization is to be utterly far-fetched and ludicrous. Right now child care in Ontario is about 99% private. It cannot be any more privatized than it already is. This plan, if it comes to fruition would actually be a major DE-privatization.

Wed, 2009-06-24 19:32

#108

remind

And BTW stock, your words are hypocrisy at best, given your disparaging remarks about CUPE and suggesting all sorts of things about them in the TO strike thread, so why would you even bring them up here to bolster your far fetched take on the child care fixes being advocated by the report?

Wed, 2009-06-24 19:38

#109

Stockholm

I don't have to agree with anyone 100% of the time, but given that CUPE's virtual raison d'etre is to fight privatization and to expand the public sector - when they applaud a report - I give their opinion a lot of weight.

I have never "disparaged" CUPE. I think they are a very good union that for the most part does very good work - but they have hundreds of locals across Canada and they engage in bargaining with hundreds of municipalities and school boards etc... I'm never going to agree with every single solitary demand of every single solitary local in every single solitary dispute. 99% of the time I agree with them - but in the 1% of cases where I don't, I'm not going to be afraid to call it like I see it.

Wed, 2009-06-24 19:40

#110

remind

Stockholm wrote:
Quite frankly, I find the suggestion that this report will lead to privatization is to be utterly far-fetched and ludicrous. Right now child care in Ontario is about 99% private. It cannot be any more privatized than it already is. This plan, if it comes to fruition would actually be a major DE-privatization.

I indicated above that the report clearly indicates a basic status quo, unless the Utopian 1 billion dollar recommendations are considered, which we all know if we are being realistic won't happen. And if you think private concerns are going to give up their strangle hold, when the report gives them the ability to keep it, you would be mistaken.

yes perhaps, I am being deeply cynical, but that is better than being sucked into unrealistic hope. When a government starts actioning what is primarily something that affects in the majority, single mothers, to make their lives better, to the tune of 1 billion dollars, I will take back my cynical stance.

Wed, 2009-06-24 19:44

#111

Stockholm

well then you should be applauding the $1 billion recommendation and writing letters to McGuinty urging him to move forward with what's been recommmended.

Wed, 2009-06-24 20:22

#112

remind

I did applaud them more than once in this thread, and encouraged Ontarians to make sure it became more than a best practises framework, and for that I was attacked personally by you.

Thu, 2009-06-25 06:41

#113

Maysie

Okay then. Closing for length.

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