Ontario NDP Accused of Violating Constitution Part 2

Sun, 2010-03-21 12:30

JasonNDP

@bookish

there is no place in the party to disuss legitimate concerns. ondy reps have reported againa and again that the president will shut down any debate she doe not like. she has altered iur reports to exec and she amnipulates meetings. if you don't know this by now, where have you been this last year. go to an exec meeting and observe. period

it seems like what you reallr are saying is the exec members who have raised concerns are unqualified to raise concerns. is this because they are all from ondy, lgbt or ethnic comm? if they are execs and are saying something, should we assume that they have something important to say?

Sun, 2010-03-21 12:45

#53

Olive

Bookish Agrarian, i am very concerned that their are some in our party who would advocate for the position that the some constitutional violations are okay ift hey are not "the end of the world." In my experience, this is the kind of thing that reall sacres people off the NDP and feeds into the misconception that we are communist, undemocratic or unable to manage a government. This kind ofthinking is not okay of you were an MP, MPP or any other politician making a decision, so how can it be okay in our party? If we win the next election, will you start acting like a competent decsions maker then? Will our President then worry about a the little details then?

I also think you have missed the points being raised here, once again. While Mr Murray may have been at the vote count, he was not at the prepartion of the voters list nor any of the other steps. We do not know who was on the list, who should have been on the list or who was sent an email.

I have worked on many elections I have never met an NDP campaign manager that if shefound that 1000 eliigble NDP supporters had been left off the List of Eectors whould have simply accepted Elections Ontario's explanations that ohe well, we had a vote in the office and decided the list was fine, or said theose votes would not have changed the outcome so it really doesn't matter, or well this was just a small violation and does not threaten the province.

You are in very dangerous territory here. If people are concerned, why not allow the process to be transparent? Stopping this from being talked about on Rabble wa svery simple: make the process transparent as fairness dictates. Shutting the debate down is not the answer, being fair in the first place is.

Olive

Sun, 2010-03-21 13:28

#54

NorthReport

Maybe the people that have been in charge of the ONNDP for whatever reason aren't able to do the job required of them. Do they have any goals? What are their goals? Are they reaching their goals? If not, perhaps they should step down, be thanked for their efforts, and let some others, with some new ideas, have a kick at the can.

Sun, 2010-03-21 14:08

#55

PassionateGardener

I echo JasonNDP's point in post #51

The ONDY report to council was edited without ONDY's permission. When the issue was rasied at an exec meeting Sandra screamed at them - quite literally screamed and yelled at them. That's not the way to go about keeping young people on the executive.

I've spoken to a few ONDY members a none of them are happy. A scary number are even considering not renewing their memberships. When the young people are that worked up over the issue and feel that marginalized we have a problem.

Sun, 2010-03-21 14:36

#56

John J

@ PassionateGardener - how do you know what happened at an exec meeting?

There seems to be a lot of people here who claim to know exactly what happened at closed door meetings that they weren't attending.

Sun, 2010-03-21 14:42

#57

NorthReport

Why the concern over secrecy?

Sun, 2010-03-21 14:48

#58

Mike from Canmore

@ John J the meetings are not closed door. People come to observe all the time.

Sun, 2010-03-21 15:05

#59

Olive

Hello, John J.

If you are an MDP member you are represented on our Executive by a few of the Members. Do you not speak with them? Do you not get reports form your Regional Representative of Committee Representative? Are you aparticpating in your democracy and your party?

Further, these meetings are not closed. They are open to all party members. Please remember you cannot tell who is on a conference call. Our riding president was on the xeceutive call that disucssed this and remained anonymous.

Olive

Sun, 2010-03-21 15:19

#60

KenS

John J wrote:

There seems to be a lot of people here who claim to know exactly what happened at closed door meetings that they weren't attending.

The earlier claim you questioned was about what happens at Caucus meetings, which are not open.

Sun, 2010-03-21 20:13

#61

PassionateGardener

John J,

I attended the meeting where I witnessed the screaming first hand. I truely regret not speaking out at the time.

I encourage more ONDP members to attend meetings of the Executive if only to promote a return to civility.

Sun, 2010-03-21 21:40

#62

Polunatic2

First, was not the NDP a product of a merger of sorts between the CCF and the labour movement?

Second, it's always been my impression (from the outside) that in the NDP / OFL relationship, it's the NDP that wags the dog, not the other way around.

Third, (aside)

Quote:
I have never met an NDP campaign manager that if shefound that 1000 eliigble NDP supporters had been left off the List of Eectors whould have simply accepted Elections Ontario's explanations"

.

That may not be the best example. Since Mike Harris did away with enumeration and moved Ontario to a permanent voters list (in order to help win the 1999 election - by less than 10,000 votes in 12 ridings), the voters lists are really screwed up - especially among tenants, young people and immigrants. I don't know why the ONDP (or the federal party for that matter) haven't taken up this issue.

Ontario NDP Accused of Violating Constitution Part 2

Pages