What do they fear/ the truth or something? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100608/ap_on_hi_te/as_china_internet
China continues to censor and block internet content
Tue, 2010-06-08 20:20
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China continues to censor and block internet content
Tue, 2010-06-08 20:31
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No Yards
Yes, don't they know that controlling the Internet is the business of large capitalist communications conglomerates?
China is a communist country, it's not a wonderful thing, but that's what they do ... Canada and the USA on the other hand are free democracies, so we let corporations control what we do.
Let's put our priority on addressing our own problems of net neutrality, media consolidation, and other such commucapitalisms, then we can lecture the Chinese.
ETA: Sorry, didn't mean to derail anything, just want to put things in perspective a little.
Tue, 2010-06-08 22:35
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In the NATO and English-speaking countries, we have [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2162]ECHELON[/url] to spy on the lives of others.
Glasnost would be a good thing for Canada and our imperial master nation next door, for sure for sure.
Tue, 2010-06-29 19:07
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This censorship of the Internet by Beijing is another impediment to establishing a civil society in China. Independent and non-governmental groups make societies more livable as they help improve access to healthcare, education, employment, sports, the media, etc., something that Beijing clearly can't achieve on its own. But these interest groups network and organize to create large groups of politicized people who must receive money from domestic and foreign sources to do their work, a scary scenario for Beijing, because interest groups could be in opposition to Beijing as well as present alternatives to the Party.
Tue, 2010-06-29 20:24
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China is a communist country, it's not a wonderful thing, but that's what they do ...
Nonsense. China is an authoritarian kleptocracy run by a gang of violent corrupt thugs in collusion with domestic and foreign capitalists. The fact that these thugs call themselves the "Communist" Party changes nothing.
Tue, 2010-06-29 20:26
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Jeez, that sounds exactly like our largest trading partners next door, vicious empire central.
Tue, 2010-06-29 21:37
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Fidel, when Liang Jiajie says that "censorship of the internet by Beijing is another impediment to establishing a civil society in China," you have to believe that it is an impediment to developing a civil society in China, and is perhaps the ONE world feature that you may not compare to the U.S.
Perhaps you may not have notice thatd Jiajie is far more ready to actually criticize certain institutions there than he was two years ago (during the last in-depth correspondence that I know of). I do hope that it reflects a widespread liberating effect at work. As I recall, Jiajie predicted that effect paralleling the growth of the economy.
Tue, 2010-06-29 23:04
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China's averaged 9 percent expansion over the last 25 years. Our neoliberal stooges in Ottawa must be wondering when Weimar-like inflation will destroy their economy, like they bullshitted us would happen here unless they waged phony war on inflation in the late eighties-early 90s while shoveling boat loads of money to their bankster friends and foreign creditors.
Wed, 2010-06-30 00:14
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George, in that discussion I was working out frustrations over the seemingly intractable problem of Beijing's inability to fully enforce its policies and purge corruption from its bureaucracy. I remember thinking that, although I shared your sentiments, you're expectations were too high.
China is a unitary state, and I wonder if reform programs could be better implemented if China was a federal state, an idea that's about 80 years old. But when Beijing states that censorship of the internet is required to help prevent the subversion of national unity, federalism and its potential seem impossible.
Wed, 2010-06-30 00:23
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I think it's folly to suggest that the Chinese government should behave normally within a global economy that is anything but normal today. They've observed a financial meltdown emanating from the very country attempting to instruct them on how to run their's, bombings and invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan and shows of aggression against Pakistan and several more countries, continuing military buildups in Central Asia and surrounding both Russia and China since 1991. And it must seem like a bizarre situation all around to China's leaders. [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19360]U.S. Cyber Command: Waging War In The World’s Fifth Battlespace[/url]
Wed, 2010-06-30 00:46
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Sven
Yes, don't they know that controlling the Internet is the business of large capitalist communications conglomerates?
Yet, in relative terms, access to the Internet in capitalist Canada and the USA, for example, is far more open than access to the Internet is in China.
ETA: BTW, No Yards, welcome back to babble (after a long absence)!!
Wed, 2010-06-30 00:56
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In Canada and the US, your freedom is limited only by your ability to pay. [url=http://www.impactlab.com/2010/06/01/46-of-americans-suffer-from-debt-rel... of Americans suffer from freedom-related stress[/url]
Wed, 2010-06-30 01:01
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Sven
In Canada and the US, your freedom is limited only by your ability to pay. [url=http://www.impactlab.com/2010/06/01/46-of-americans-suffer-from-debt-rel... of Americans suffer from freedom-related stress[/url]
There's very likely freedom-related stress. But, I'd rather have that and freedom than live with less stress and less freedom.
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Wed, 2010-06-30 01:19
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They're really tightening up on border crossings now. I think it might have been easier crossing in and out of East-West Berlin. They're liable to haul me into the homeland security building now if my papers are not in order. People being arrested and beaten up on the streets of Toronto. It doesn't look so free out there, Sven. I think we're free as long as we do what we're told. US writer of cold war fiction Robert Ludlum said that he sensed western world citizens lost certain freedoms after 1991 or so.