Canada to bar controversial Islamic preacher

Star Spangled Canadian wrote:

It was actually Tarek Fatah of the Muslim Canadian Congress behind it but it's interesting that your instinct is to assume the Jews.

I'll ignore your baiting provocative remark which insinuates that there's anything "Jewish" about the B'nai Brith.

HAHAHA! I guessed right! Tarek Fatah was behind the Ul Haq banning as well. What a pathetic Islamophobe he is.

As for the rest of your post and its non "quotes", that's the same blood libel that was issued against Ul Haq. Turned out there wasn't a shred of such evidence.

Here's a more nuanced report of his banning from the U.K. by the new right-wing coalition government than you or Tarek could manage:

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/10357263.stm]Legal challenge to ban on Muslim preacher[/url]

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The Islamic Research Foundation said in a statement: "It is deeply regrettable the British Government has bowed to pressure from sectarian and Islamophobic pressure groups by preventing the entry of Dr Zakir Naik, who has been visiting and delivering talks in the United Kingdom for the past 15 years.

"Dr Zakir Naik is undoubtedly an opponent of terrorism and as such has often spoken out against all acts of violence and violent extremism.

"He has emphatically and unequivocally condemned the killing of civilians and is one of the world's regular noted orators on this topic."

Star Spangled Canadian wrote:

"An Indian Muslim televangelist who was banned from Britain last week for “unacceptable behaviour” will not be allowed into Canada to speak at an upcoming conference in Toronto, sources familiar with the situation have told the National Post.

Dr. Zakir Naik, who has said “every Muslim should be a terrorist” and that Jews are “our staunchest enemy,” was to headline next month’s Journey of Faith Conference — which is billed as one of North America’s largest Islamic conferences and is expected to attract upward of 10,000 people.

The 44-year-old medical doctor recommends capital punishment for homosexuals and the death penalty for those who abandon Islam as their faith.

Read more: http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/22/controversial-muslim-televangelist-zakir-naik-banned-from-toronto-conference/#ixzz0rab4m0zZ

Don't you have something better to do with your time? Like pick the toe jam out from between your toes? Make paper airplanes out of you Hypocratic oath? Bill some patients?

Tough call.. Police State v Nutcase... To me, I think that I am leaning toward opposing the police state, more than the nutcase.

It's interesting.  I just watched the first video.  He seems to be interpreting "beat her lightly" as admonishing her, not hitting her.  He's saying that the prophit's statement about "beating her with (a toothbrush)" is symbolic, like hitting her with a handkerchief.  In other words, you don't hit her with anything.

I've never heard that interpretation before, which is fine, I'm not a Muslim so I've had no real exposure to religious teachings or interpretations.

As someone who spent a lot of time churchgoing in Christian churches, however, I certainly heard a whole lot of similar ways of mitigating through liberal interpretation the more brutal and sexist and violent passages in the Bible.

Of course, the issue for me is, who is any man to judge what his wife says or does, or to dole out punishments, admonishments, or anything else.  But certainly that kind of patriarchal teaching isn't exclusive to Islam, or conservative Islamic preachers.  You only have to go as far as Focus on the Family right here in North America to find support for "father knows best" religious conservatism.

When they bar Dr. Dobson from entering the country for his advocacy of smacking children around to teach them a lesson, advocate of the husband ruling over the wife, believer that only Christians go to heaven and people of every other religion (and yes, sorry, that includes Jews) are going to hell, then I'll believe that they're consistent about barring religious extremists.

Exactly how I felt, Michelle. He does go on to talk about how women can admonish, that Islam represents equality, the physical differences between men and women, and how anyone of any gender might need to hit a loved one to save that loved one in very specific circumstances. I only wish some Christian patriarchs were so balanced.

Wow death for homosexuals? Where do I sign up!

Like really folks? Do we need more religious hatred here?

Star Spangled Canadian wrote:

Dr. Zakir Naik, who has said “every Muslim should be a terrorist” and that Jews are “our staunchest enemy,” was to headline next month’s Journey of Faith Conference — which is billed as one of North America’s largest Islamic conferences and is expected to attract upward of 10,000 people.

The 44-year-old medical doctor recommends capital punishment for homosexuals and the death penalty for those who abandon Islam as their faith.

SparkyOne wrote:

Wow death for homosexuals? Where do I sign up!

Like really folks? Do we need more religious hatred here?

Star Spangled Canadian wrote:

Dr. Zakir Naik, who has said “every Muslim should be a terrorist” and that Jews are “our staunchest enemy,” was to headline next month’s Journey of Faith Conference — which is billed as one of North America’s largest Islamic conferences and is expected to attract upward of 10,000 people.

The 44-year-old medical doctor recommends capital punishment for homosexuals and the death penalty for those who abandon Islam as their faith.

Excuse me. But there is no evidence that Naik ever said those things that were bolded by you. Of course, blood libel works that way. Just keep repeating. If it's not true, it will be.

Now, remind me if you folks were demanding that Ann Coulter and Binyamin Netanyahu be barred from Canada? Of course, Netanyahu doesn't advocate killing people. He just does it.

This is the latest story on BBC:

Lawyers representing an Indian Muslim preacher banned from entering the UK say the move was rushed and he was not given a proper chance to respond to it.

Majeed Memon, representing Mumbai-based television preacher Zakir Naik, described the move by the UK government as "barbaric and inhuman".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/10381210.stm

Unionist wrote:

Excuse me. But there is no evidence that Naik ever said those things that were bolded by you. Of course, blood libel works that way. Just keep repeating. If it's not true, it will be.
Now, remind me if you folks were demanding that Ann Coulter and Binyamin Netanyahu be barred from Canada? Of course, Netanyahu doesn't advocate killing people. He just does it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMAZR8YIhxI&feature=player_embedded#!
Here he is talking about the death penalty for Muslims who adopt another faith.
Click on the youtube video and you can actually listen to him say it. I'm still looking for a soundbite of him making his comment about homosexuals. Taking into consideration his comments about the dealth penalty I'm probably not going out on thin ice believing he made the homosexual comment too.

Star Spangled Canadian wrote:

It was actually Tarek Fatah of the Muslim Canadian Congress behind it but it's interesting that your instinct is to assume the Jews.

CCD is not a Jewish organization.

Sven wrote:

On what basis would you ban "certain others"?  In other words, what litmus test of speech would you use to distinguish political speech that should be permitted from political speech that should be muzzled?

Who needs to "muzzle" a suspected criminal?

"I'm sorry, Mr. Bush, but if you set foot on Canadian soil I'm afraid we'll be obliged to arrest you for war crimes."

So you arrest them, or perhaps if you lack the nerve you simply don't allow them into your country because prosecuting them might cause an international incident. 

Lord Palmerston wrote:

Star Spangled Canadian wrote:

It was actually Tarek Fatah of the Muslim Canadian Congress behind it but it's interesting that your instinct is to assume the Jews.

CCD is not a Jewish organization.

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Nice. Nor does Tarek Fatah identify as Jewish. Though he once did send a circular to me, where he proclaimed rhetorically that "I am Jew" after some nice piece about how we (Meaning Canada) fought the Nazis for 4 years (sic) during WWII for the liberty and freedom.