Joe Mihevc endorses Smitherman

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Lord Palmerston
Joe Mihevc endorses Smitherman

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Lord Palmerston

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In a blow to Joe Pantalone's campaign, popular councillor Joe Mihevc (Ward 21, St. Paul's) today endorsed George Smitherman in Toronto's race for mayor. Though all the mayoral candidates are jockeying for position and endorsements, this one may prove a significant bellwether: Mihevc is staunchly progressive, and is in some ways a more natural fit with the left-leaning Joe Pantalone rather than centrist Smitherman. Pantalone and Mihevc share similar views on a wide variety of issues, and the two have sat on Council together for many years. As Mihevc put it in the letter he sent out a few hours ago, "I do feel that Joe would make a fine mayor and that he has the skills, smarts, and experience to lead the city."

Unfortunately, Mihevc writes, the threat to Toronto represented by Rob Ford is looming large, and "the stars...have not aligned for Joe as revealed in the polls. Given the strength of Rob Ford in the same polls...I believe that this is a time for Torontonians to rally around a single candidate who has the best chance of defeating Ford." He—and many other Torontonians, perhaps—have come to the conclusion that this concern about Ford trumps other considerations, and thus is opting to back Smitherman as the most likely candidate to beat Ford.

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Maysie Maysie's picture

Damn it!

Cueball Cueball's picture

Not a big surprise. I predicted this in the NDP: Slithering to Slitherman thread. Unfortunately for Joe Mehvic, he is dead wrong here. First of all Smitherman can not and will not beat Ford, if only because a large part of the pro-Ford vote is actually an anti-Smitherman vote. If he genuinely had a chance his polling would have increased over the last 8 months. However his polling is flat, Contributing to the hysteria about Ford, and making it look like Smitherman might take it, is only encouraging people to vote for Ford.

Strategic voting only disburses the vote further in a situation where there is more than one candidate opposing the fron runner.

 

Lord Palmerston

David Miller?

writer writer's picture

... Tune in tomorrow ...

writer writer's picture

The buzz about Mihvec's decision might be short-lived.

[url=http://www.mayorjoe.ca/2010/10/05/wed-pantalone-will-make-an-important-a... Pantalone Will Make an “Important Announcement” About the Election & Receive a Key Endorsement[/url]

Possibly not a total surprise, but it's going to be big. Anyone who can make it should do their best to make it. Cueball, love your analysis. Another non-surprise.

Polunatic2

Can't say I'm surprised about Joe M's decision although I am disappointed. 

writer writer's picture

The politics of fear.

Polunatic2

There is a lot of be fearful of in politics at all levels. 

Stockholm

I suppose that the best possible face you could put on this is that IF Smitherman hobbles across the finish line as the narrow winner over Ford - the more he can owe a great debt to people like Mihevc the better and it might make his reign less bad than if he had waltzed into power with only support from centre-right Liberals like himself.

We are always told that the mayor is just one vote on council.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Mehvic also told Miller he should get out of the race in order to make room for Barbra Hall. Mehvic's political smarts are doubtful, and his position apparently self-serving.

farnival

proving once again that "strategic voting" always has and always will mean "vote Liberal".   Tongue out

Cueball Cueball's picture

The only reason that Liberals like to try and intimidate people with strategic voting is because running on their platform on the the issues and their record is not going to get them elected by anyone.

writer writer's picture

A guy who played a significant role in creating the cost overruns on St. Clair that the Fordettes are using against City Hall has hooked up with a guy who played a significant role in the cost overruns at eHealth.

Perfect.

Stockholm

I have nothing against "strategic voting" when it is actually strategic. For example, I wish more people who voted for ralph Nader in 2000 had voted "strategically" for Al Gore. I'm glad that in 2003 people who were going to support Barbara Hall voted strategically for david Miller (I remember how two days before the vote Kyke Rae switched from backing Hall to backing Miller for "strategic reasons - good for him - better late than never) and I think its good when people who are considering voting Green vote strategically for NDP candidates who have a chance of winning.

If on the eve of election day the final polls have Ford and Smitherman at - say 40% each and Pantalone at 12% - then i would say that IF you really think its important that Ford not be mayor - even if it means holding your nose and voting for Smitherman - then that is what you should do. I am not convinced that it is that important to "stop Ford" - but I am open to being convinced. 

Lord Palmerston

So do you think progressives living in 905 ridings like Thornhill, Oakville and Mississauga South etc. should vote strategically for the Liberals?

Doug

Stockholm wrote:

If on the eve of election day the final polls have Ford and Smitherman at - say 40% each and Pantalone at 12% - then i would say that IF you really think its important that Ford not be mayor - even if it means holding your nose and voting for Smitherman - then that is what you should do. I am not convinced that it is that important to "stop Ford" - but I am open to being convinced. 

 

That's my dilemma. I'm not really sure that it's worth voting for Smitherman so as not to get Ford.

writer writer's picture

Senator Nancy Ruth endorses Smitherman. She's the one who helpfully suggested we kill Canada Geese and feed them to the poor so her skin wouldn't itch from swimming in her summer cottage lake.

She's also the one who told Canadian women to shut the fuck up.

Perfect.

Lord Palmerston

 

writer wrote:
Senator Nancy Ruth endorses Smitherman. She's the one who helpfully suggested we kill Canada Geese and feed them to the poor so her skin wouldn't itch from swimming in her summer cottage lake.

Typical "Red" Tory.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Just ran into a St. Pauls voter who called Mehvic a wimp. Quite a long and drawn out and entertaining rant, actually. I guess that is one vote Mehvic lost today.

Polunatic2

@ Writer - I detect a tone of sarcasm but most of the cost overruns on the St. Clair right of way were not on the TTC part of the bill. I don't think Mihevc deserves to be smeared with that. As well, there was a one year delay in the project due to the (failed) lawsuit by the dinosaurs in Palacio's ward as well as engineering problems at St. Clair West station.   

In fact, if it wasn't for Joe Mihevc (and Miller & Pantalone & Giambrone et al), the likes of Ford, Rossi & Smitherman would have had their way and no transit improvements would have been made on St. Clair. Mihevc is certainly the best local councillor I've ever had and I am still voting for him notwithstanding my differences with him over the Mayor's race. 

writer writer's picture

I defer to your knowledge, P2.

Something Miller said at today's announcement - that seven years ago, Mihevic told him that he should drop out of the race to be mayor. "He was wrong then, and he's wrong now."

Polunatic2

I don't doubt Miller's version of events but I also remember Mihevc working hard on Miller's behalf. Joe recruited me to help out with Miller's campaign. 

veronika desnic

 I think the level of opportunism in this election is as high as Ive ever seen it and I go back to the early 70's.TCHC

is in crisis as well as the TTC.We have been given lots of nice words from Miller and company over the years yet nothing

was done.When Mr Gosling died the city said the TCHC wasnt their responsibility yet Paula Fletcher sits on their board

Real change needs to happen and I dont really care who implements it as long as they solve problems not talk them to death

veronika desnic

 I think the level of opportunism in this election is as high as Ive ever seen it and I go back to the early 70's.TCHC

is in crisis as well as the TTC.We have been given lots of nice words from Miller and company over the years yet nothing

was done.When Mr Gosling died the city said the TCHC wasnt their responsibility yet Paula Fletcher sits on their board

Real change needs to happen and I dont really care who implements it as long as they solve problems not talk them to death

Cueball Cueball's picture

The way I make it out, the city is on the cusp of the first major transit expansion in 20 years, and for some reason the union is taking the heat for the lousy service, when its one of the most underfunded systems in North America. This is on the table, and only one candidate for mayor is wholeheartedly supporting this, and all the others want to throw the expansion in the wastepaper basket and come up with something diffierent.

This is a formula for making sure that no expansion of improvement of service happens for another 10 years. Not only that, the union and its workers will take all the flak for the shitty service.

Aristotleded24

Cueball wrote:
The way I make it out, the city is on the cusp of the first major transit expansion in 20 years, and for some reason the union is taking the heat for the lousy service, when its one of the most underfunded systems in North America. This is on the table, and only one candidate for mayor is wholeheartedly supporting this, and all the others want to throw the expansion in the wastepaper basket and come up with something diffierent.

This is a formula for making sure that no expansion of improvement of service happens for another 10 years. Not only that, the union and its workers will take all the flak for the shitty service.

Sounds like the BRT/LRT debate we're currently having in Winnipeg.

writer writer's picture

Quote:

An Open Letter to Joe Mihevc
(And Why We Are Sticking with Joe Pantalone)

October 6, 2010

Dear Joe Mihevc,

This election is all about jobs and services, ethics & principles and who we trust to take us through the next four years. For you, it should have been all about the marginalized sectors of Toronto, and how collectively to provide protection for what we all worked so hard to create, protect and then re-create after the provincial Harris/Eves & Toronto Lastman years.

This election is very important for Toronto’s working class, un- and under-employed workers, poor families, new Canadians and senior citizens,
all of whom have a lot to lose if Rob Ford or self-identified  “compassionate cutter” George Smitherman are elected.

For many of us, neither can be a choice:  Door A promises no less than 6,000 jobs eliminated while Door B, your candidate, will see the elimination of 4,000 jobs by attrition.  Whether you like it or not, both candidates objectively will destroy the programs and services we all need.  Unlike these candidates, we cannot “buy” our way out of the problems we face like wealthy people are able to do. 

Telling you how angry, disappointed and betrayed many of us feel doesn’t properly convey the depth of emotions being experienced by community members today. 

You made this part of the election ‘all about you’.  In three weeks, the election will be over.  You may have helped elect a Mayor who will attack our quality of life.  Likely you will still have your job, as not much can happen to you in the election at this late date

This endorsement isn’t about principles, ethics, or solidarity.
If your candidate is elected, you will be among the chosen inner circle.  We, on the other hand, will have to continue to fight for the values, programs and services we all supported.

Can you really wonder, then, why so many are cynical, ‘apathetic’ and disengaged in the election process?

Katie McGovern
Recording & Corresponding Secretary
Local 4400

Cueball Cueball's picture

I disagree with McGovern, actually. Where Smitherman may say he is only going to cut 4000 jobs as opposed t0 6000, Ford's promise to increase property taxes by the rate of inflation suggest that his budget will be better able to maintain services, whereas Smitherman will contribute to chronic underfunding of those services.

In essence, Smitherman's lesser cuts in adminstration will necessarily require cuts in other aspects of service other than staffing, if he really wants to freeze property taxes. Victims will likely be outsourced programs relating to things like ESL programs and so on.

McGovern's letter creates the impression that there is a tangible superior difference to be offered by Smitherman, when in fact, it is very possible he will be worse.

writer writer's picture

Excellent point.

Olly

Yeah Cueball. It is unlikely that a guy who says he can save the city budget "$1.67 billion" and then this:

 

"This plan, ladies and gentlemen, is achievable and realistic ... It won't be easy to stop the gravy train, but I will do it," he said at today's news conference.

 

...probably will use inflationary tax increases to maintain services. Whew, I was worried about Ford for a minute.

Polunatic2

Good point Cue except that it presumes Ford & Smitherman are honest politicians who will keep their opposing promises around property taxes. 

Cueball Cueball's picture

I don't. What I actually think is that its all fluff. The so called plums that Smitherman is offering are entirely dependent on variables and can disappear as quckly as you can say Ehealth. Smitherman can't promise the 100 million that he expects from the province, and his "relationships" (sic) will have no bearing on a Hudak government. He claims he can eleminate "inefficiencies" to pay for more programs but we know that this politicians primary achievement to date is bleedin the public purse, not staunching the flow,

Therefore, at the core of both of these platforms are the cuts to city administration, and the reality is they will both cut as much staff as is possible, and any savings will then be converted into the tax rebates, based on how much is possible to cut. 4000 jobs or 6000 that is all guesses, one is posed just to sound more reasonable than the other, and both are equally meaningless.

At the end of the day the core of the program is the same. Kill jobs at city hall. Cut taxes. Sell of city land to developers. And of course, and attmept to break the garbage workers union, so that this sector of the workforce (which incidentally is comprised of the most non-white people of any of the other sectors of the CUPE workforce) can eek on lives as without any reasonable prospects or reward.

Indeed, the tenor of this campaign is bound up in this last promise. Where Ford promises to privatize curb side pick up, Smitherman promises to "talk about" priviatizing curb side garbage pickup. Indeed the real difference is that Smitherman is lying about his intentions, because he really means that he wants to privatize when he says he wants to "talk about" it, while Ford is honest enough to say what he intends.

The dipsute is about "whose friends will get in at the trough?"

Lord Palmerston

I find this [url=http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontovotes2010/2010/10/09/15642531.html... to believe[/url]

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Surprise first-time candidate Shimmy Posen is polling very strongly against NDPer Joe Mihevc, who has just 41% of voter support — one of the lowest of any of Mayor David Miller’s inner circle seeking re-election.

Posen, a 26-year-old entrepreneur, is six points back at 35%
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“I’m pleased...it means our message is resonating,” Posen said Friday. “Someone has to be accountable for what happened on St. Clair...the cost overruns.”


Cueball Cueball's picture

I don't. Business associations are very strong local organizing tools. Also, Mihevc's defection is certain to have caused some confusion and demoralization in his crew as well.

adma

An interesting Smitherman endorsement from the other end: kite-hating Scarborough councillor Chin Lee--if only because he's of that right-leaning segment of council which *might*, in theory, be amenable to the Ford juggernaut (or at least go Rossi a la Feldman/Parker)

Lord Palmerston

Mihevc had two high-profile challengers last time and won with a solid majority.  As much as I disagree with his Smitherman endorsement, he is a solid councillor.

adma

Having driven through the heavily Jewish (and NDP-incompatible) Forest Hill "panhandle" and seen a lot more Mihevc signs than Posen ones, I'm somewhat skeptical, too.