CBC Radio Nerdz VIII

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CBC Radio Nerdz VIII

On our last episode we discussed day six, and the new rightward shift of CBC radio, something we thought we wouldn't see.

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thorin_bane

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Farmpunk

Mary Ambrose has been taking a lot of turns on As It Happens.  And, as it happens, I don't like her style.  She sounds flippant, and isn't funny. 

George Victor

She's been instructed to try to bring Barbara's humour to the program...poor woman.

Farmpunk

She sounds terrible, and it's fucking up the show.  When I hear her voice I tune out, literally.

I think there must have been some kind of change to the way the six pm newscasts are created.  The casts have been really good, with strong reports, and almost a theme to each cast. 

al-Qa'bong

Some right-wing anti-Arab bigot was just on Day Six, heaping criticism upon the UN for the Security Council vote.  I was so mad I felt like sending off a sternly-worded letter to the CBC.  Then Brent Bambury came on and said that the yahoo was Ezra Levant.

 

OK, that makes sense.

[Should there be a "Pro-Zionist media bias/CBC Radio nerds" thread?]

George Victor

The Levant

 

Clearly, the fellow is all caught up in a childhood hatred for his entrapment in association with a name of Arab origin, and is now on a life mission to flaunt it before his guilty parents.  Or is that too Freudian (Jungian?) in a time of biological explanations?

 

clandestiny

i heard that too. Ezrah Levant. nazipooh and loudmouth snake oil salesman!  Brent banbury ENCOURAGES us to visit the program website, to 'comment' pro or con, he says, as if the hits aint the main idea ( he sure doesn't gives a flying frick about what anybody thinks)...john bolton is ALWAYS on jon oakley, the am640 morning skinhead host, to succor the mindless idiots who listen to jon oakley/stafford/doyle etc. Btw, Mike Bullard is on CFRB at noon (Beyond the Mike)  and he is a breath of fresh air! Will wonders never cease! He had Carolyn Parrish on last week to comment on the mayor hazel bs the rest of media somehow overlooks! I fear telling steve kouch, 'RB program director, that Mike is a step in right direction as ...well, reactionaries are truly vicious, and Mike Bullard seems to like twisting the skinheads' tails! The contempt between him and reactionary aftnoon host jim richards almost grabs throats! For example, Mike said richards has the 'sweetest ass at the station' when richards was leaving the  onair booth after doing the show intro interview! ...shades of fallen talkradio hero Alan Berg! (maybe also a reference to the Family Guy Peter Griffin(!)?)

hahaha! take that, ya skinhead bastards!

al-Qa'bong

George Victor wrote:

The Levant

 

Clearly, the fellow is all caught up in a childhood hatred for his entrapment in association with a name of Arab origin, and is now on a life mission to flaunt it before his guilty parents.  Or is that too Freudian (Jungian?) in a time of biological explanations?

 

 

Yeah, and why is it that when I see maghrebia in stores it's always called "Israeli couscous"?

Farmpunk

Neat read here on the overall CBC operations, Stursberg, etc. 

Interesting to note the almost total emphasis on CBC TV and just a few offhand comments on Ceeb Radio 1, which is clearly still capable of servicing its mandate even though we hack on it constantly.

Couple of trends of note that Rabinovitch is, I think, totally correct in pointing out: CBC sports is toast, and TV newscasts are not long for the screens, especially a big daily and mostly pointless program like The National, which must costs scads of money to produce each day. 

Why not adopt the radio format for TV?  Put CBC News Network on the channels, and break it up with hourly newscasts from your particular region.  Consolidate the operations, because I don't think there's any justification for big splashy newscasts anymore, especially ones that are reliant upon stories not sourced locally.

And this sounds mean, but oh well....  Axe the dinosaurs in front of and behind the cameras and microphones.  Pension them off, force them into retirement unless they have really good skillsets.  Turn them into trainers, or unleash them on the colleges and universities as teachers.  Let them retire to fat PR paychecks.   

Thorin (or anyone else outside TO chime in) what're the Windsor TV casts like?  I have never, ever, watched a regional CBC newscast so I have no clue what they're like.

Here's the link:

 http://tinyurl.com/RabinovitchSeesTheEnd

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I would take anything Robert Rabinovitch recommends with a large grain of salt. He set the CBC on it destructive course during his time at the helm (1999 to 2007). And he certainly wasn't the most visionary leader when he was deputy minister of Canadian Heritage.

Farmpunk

The Chretien Libs knocking 450 mil off the budget couldn't have helped his CBC tenure much.

George Victor

" ' I knew Richard was going to be a bull in a china shop,' CBC president Robert Rabinocitch said, according to Trevor Cole in his Walrus article this month, "Dragon Done: Richard Stursberg's controversial tenure at CBC".

Perhaps they got rid of Stursberg in time. But the need now is to replace Steve.

Farmpunk

There's no chance that the CBC budget will increase.  Not through parliament. 

The people running the Ceeb are going to have to design a new template.  Reading the Rabinovitch interview gives me a good idea of where the Ceeb is heading whether it wants to or not - reduced TV programming in news and current affairs, no sports, radio remaining more or less the same if not enhanced, plus probably more straight to the net media.  More radio on TV.

Notice lately that the audio on As It Happens has been clear?  Skype.  The show will still do phone interviews to retain the classic sound (and not everyone they want to talk to will have net\skype) but AIH is a good indication of how the Ceeb will tweak radio to make it stronger and more video friendly. 

Now they just need to get rid of Ambrose. 

thorin_bane

Well I'm back after a brief cooling down period. CBC Windsor is ok. They get about 6 small regional stories(unless there is something big) and 1 semi large story. Weather is regional in this instance. We are happy to have the metoeroligist from the area and not from Ottawa with nick like we had a few years back. Actually the old format of separate regional and national was a lot better. Now its a mish mash of stories. I really hope they don't take it away-again. We fought hard to get our local show back.

We only have A Channel otherwise which is on the verge of going away so our 400,000 south of london get literally no coverage. Our paper makes the national post look like the to star. So we need something that is not falling off the map on the right.

Farmpunk

I've always been puzzled by the CBC in our general area, Thorin.  It makes more sense, to me at least, to consolidate the London and Windsor operations into one bureau covering London to Windsor (if Woodstock\Brantford is added, that's probably more than a million people).  Keep the current people in London, but add a camera operator\editor and file TV for Windsor casts, and pull London content into the Windsor morning radio show and newscasts (is there an afternoon show from Windsor radio?).

But I can see why this won't happen: some Ceebers in Toronto would either have to move to Windsor or lose their jobs creating the rather dull and lifeless Ontario Morning, with its absurd coverage mandate.

I was SO pissed at the CBC on municipal election night.  Obviously there was no coverage of London and surrounding areas, but my local 93.5 Ceeb station, which carries Toronto's afternoon show Here and Now and a lot of other Toronto coverage.... did NOT run the TO election coverage!  They did the usual and replayed The Current and other assorted programs.  So in this area we get to listen to Toronto programming for the afternoon but not when an election is happening.  Wonderful work to the programming morons at Fort Dork.

thorin_bane

We are a lot luckier as we are actually serviced well down here. We have a morning and afternoon show on Radio1 and a 6 o'clock TV broadcast and 10 minute local news recap at 1055-1105 PM. I think down here we wouldn't want to cosolidate because of exactly what you said. We feel ignored by all levels of government/media so we probably wouldn't want to share what little we have. AT one time we had very good TV reporters because of our proximity to detroit but that has waned over the years. I do understand your frustration because that is how windsor feels aside from CBC(as limited as it is)

On cable we have CKCO with a local boradcast from kitchener. Thats right Windsor as reported from Kitchener. I think they have 2 or 3 reporters to cover sarnia lambton, chatham kent and windsor essex. Very little news about our local area regardless of medium, but not much happens anyway. The cbc was suppose to concentrate a great deal more on local content, but its hard to do with not enough resources. Figure they haven't had an increase in budgets in...who knows when and they now have to cope with the huge amount of resources required to operate CBC.CA resources is the problem.

The london area is too close to Toronto so you guys get caught in the Toronto centric news on the Ceeb. Down here we had nothing at all when they shut down our local CBC. Its why we had a huge rally to get it back. Even at a much smaller and heavily cut station compared to its former greatness. I doubt you would get the same thing now though. People don't care, those that do are more vocal about getting rid of the CBC than the rest of us who just want something less bias than our paper.

Farmpunk

That's what I'm getting at: consolidate London and Windsor (but keep the broadcasting ops running in Windsor) to make both better and perhaps draw attention back to the Ceeb, especially radio, as a medium where news and information is discussed rationally and balanced.

London has much more in common with Windsor than Toronto.  The London region, St Thomas etc, is similar in makeup to Windsor.  It makes sense to me to combine the two operations, but with the bureau remaining in Windsor.  There's no reason for the silo treatment, and it does a disservice to the Ceeb's mandate. 

Combining the two operations would also strengthen the case for not dropping either.  London used to have a radio department of seven or eight people.  There used to be a St Thomas producer.  Now there are two news people and one part time London producer contributing to a show that's created in Toronto.  I'd much rather have the scant Ceeb resources go to supporting a London presence in Windsor than slopping more TO schlubs on the airwaves.

Back to radio.  The Rob Ford interview on AIH was a classic.  I think Off was provoking him, but whatever.  I don't think Ford is going to lose a lot of sleep over the CBC, and he'll probably be happy to join the ranks of people slamming the Ceeb.

And it looks like Ambrose is a fixture on AIH.  Sigh.  She's getting better....? 

George Victor

Yep, someone has told Ambrose she's not standup material.

George Victor

Michael Enright is reporting on the Teaparty movement all of this morning out of Gainesville (Gaynesville?) Florida.

What one hears is an attack on liberal and socialists and a call for a return to fiscal responsibility and "constitutiional values."

And when Michael points out that Bush outspent them all...yes," we were asleep" :) 

The GAinesville food bank handled 3 million pounds of food last year...probably have to find 4 million this year...somewhere.

clandestiny

When 'Enleft' (as someone renamed Michael recently!) reacted to a guest mentioning the 911 attack by suggesting the USA then attacked an innocent nation, the rightwing nut shooed away the insolent truth and insisted (paraphrasing) the attack was 'by arabs and as iraq= arab, then...etc'. note: we're tilting at windmills fighting the reactionarky rightwing!

On CTV 'question period" Jeffrey simpson debunked the 'teaparty movement' nonsense that the lapdog media proclaims as indicated by ROb Ford mayoral victory by pointing out the Rob ford phenomenon is almost entirely local- the rest of  muni's xcountry elected 'moderates'! Simpson looks like the rightwing lying liars he's linked with are starting to really annoy him (jane taber said 'i do' when simpson stated that he doesn't believe short term polls!) Taber should be embarassed. In interview with Mike Bullard last week she called Bullard an 'anamoly' when he said he thought there was alot more to the news then the superficial soundbites- he's very unusual because he doesn't just accept what the media says and leave it at that! She laffs at Bullard, but ...she must take lotsa showers! Craig Oliver is almost always walking on eggshells during QP... he plays down everything!

al-Qa'bong

Quote:

When 'Enleft' (as someone renamed Michael recently!) reacted to a guest mentioning the 911 attack by suggesting the USA then attacked an innocent nation, the rightwing nut shooed away the insolent truth and insisted (paraphrasing) the attack was 'by arabs and as iraq= arab, then...etc'.

 

I heard some of that interview. At one point, while trying to justify invading Iraq by saying Iraqis were still shooting at murricans, she actually said "duh" - and not ironically - in the middle of her sputtering diatribe.

George Victor

quote: Simpson looks like the rightwing lying liars he's linked with are starting to really annoy him (jane taber said 'i do' when simpson stated that he doesn't believe short term polls!)

 

 

OUtside of Lawrence Martin (Harperland: The Politics of Control), Simpson is the strongest and most consistent critic of Stephen Harper in the land. Finds Steve an abomination, actually. Anyone reading the Globe on a daily basis will understand that to describe him as looking like "the rightwing lying liars that he's linked with," is to be out to political lunch.

thorin_bane

I constantly hear ads for Propaganada and where you can buy previous seasons...yet its the only show I know you can do that, wiretap-no, ideas-no, even stewart macleans show only has compilation cds and not whole seasons. I seriously hear that horrid theme music so often I want to trun off the CBC, but its the onlyt canadian channel that covers national news down here. The old big 8 channel CKLW AM 800 is just a chum subsidy that flogs the cons at all time that they don't have advertising on.

Am I missing ads on CBC for other shows because they don't happen or because I hate that song for Afghanada and notice it more.

George Victor

The Muslim Canadian Congress's Tarek Fatah tells Michael Enright this morning that hardline Islamists have infiltrated the top ranks of Canadian military, CSIS, etc.  and that the "liberal left is walking away from its responsibility".  "The Jew is Not My Enemy" , his latest book, is quoted. "Islamic fascism" is the "elephant in the room" that the "liberal left" will not point to.

"Islam is not an anti-semitic faith."   The Israel/Palestine issue is fundamentally a "legal issue"  In 9 th Century AD the story of the slaughter of 900 Jews by the prophet, was propogated...it is not from the Quran. "The Jews are not our enemy, they are our brothers and sisters."

"Bring victory over the infidel", the opening statement of each prayer in mosques everywhere, says Tarek Fatah, is the everyday evidence of the distortion of Muslim values.

 

He was intensely challenged by Enright, and it was the first time I had heard Fatah speak...and I now better understand the fundamental difference between - heck, the reason for their existence - Fatah's Muslim Canadian Congress and the Canadian Islamic Congress. 

I'm an embarassingly slow learner...but I think fairly representative of those Canadians raised free of religious rot. I'm afraid that is going to become much more difficult for succeeding generations to emulate.

George Victor

Enright next interviewed people involved in the Quiet Revolution and its development, representing the arts, academe and politics.

Eighty year old Jacques Parizeau was interviewed by phone from his home in Montreal...and listeners learned that the young economics grad (London School of Economics) was phoned on a Sunday morning in 1961 by Rene Levesque with the assignment (he was given three of four days) to estimate the cost of nationalizing hydro in Quebec.  Bankers in Montreal and Toronto were not about to ante up, so the money was found in New York.

The age of Globalization has complicated things, he says, but still believes that the goal of separatists is realizeable.  There are still too many workers in Quebec in the $20,000 to $30,000 income range...

In the third hour, Enright looks at the Yukon gold rush of the late 1890s and the characters that have come down to us through history.

Sineed

Michael Enright is the best thing about Radio 1, IMV.  Like when Tariq Fatah started going on about Muslim extremists infiltrating CSIS, etc, and Michael said he sounded like Joe McCarthy going on about communists infiltrating the US gov't.

I have heard Tariq Fatah before - he's not wrong about Muslim extremism.  But his solutions seem to be substituting one form of fanaticism for another.  And even if there were hardline Islamists in CSIS, how is the "liberal left" to blame for that?

clandestiny

Tarek Fatah does evening show with cfrb reactionarky knuckledragger named 'ron doyle'...he use to be on with afternoon chump mike ('we defenseless west/israel MUST use nukes on IRAN asap or we'll be very sorry!' -TO.Sun/2006!) coren until coren got let go. Coren once wrote bits for the afflict-the-comfortable 'Frank' magazine fyi! Mister Fatah can't have many muslim friends- he literally calls the religion a monstrosity of pure evil- intent on enslaving everybody to a crude and impractical prophet of a biker type god. His success, despite the obvious pandering to some murderously capable forces (US/Israel/Canada fascism) seem too much a stretch, but he is a voice of 'the other'in a skinhead media. And that's his job. ISLAM is needed by the military industrial complex (fascism)  we spend such insane sums on to secure our safety. W/out ISLAM, the enemy would be....ahem, poor lil 3rd world entities like Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, N Korea- and maybe Syria if one wants them to sound greater. China isn't poor lil 3rd world, and only serves the MIC as enemy in a too highly speculative fashion; sorta nudge wink, and that won't do! We need provable ENEMIES who are at work fighting against us, (toronto 18, shoebomber, times square blastic cap guy etc) and THEM planning horrors only Hollywood can really portray (ie mushroom clouds, anyone?) ...never mind that the State of New York has larger military budget then Cuba, iran, Venezuela and NKorea combined!  The need for an enemy is so great the CSIS might very well allow turbaned crazies to sit on the NATSEC oversight committee boards- why not? they can't do anything, and it gives the critics of western liberalism an excuse to point at how all our tough guys are terrified of being called racists! And handcuffed by the laws...

Well done Tarek. hahaha

btw, sorry about dissing Jeffrey Simpson. He is so much the George Will style that lumping him in with rightwing seems on automatic -and i haven't seen that much of Simpson since the impeach clinton days...plus i don't use or consume the bush crap they call newspapers anymore

thorin_bane

Sineed wrote:

Michael Enright is the best thing about Radio 1, IMV.  Like when Tariq Fatah started going on about Muslim extremists infiltrating CSIS, etc, and Michael said he sounded like Joe McCarthy going on about communists infiltrating the US gov't.

I have heard Tariq Fatah before - he's not wrong about Muslim extremism.  But his solutions seem to be substituting one form of fanaticism for another.  And even if there were hardline Islamists in CSIS, how is the "liberal left" to blame for that?

Not me I don't like Enright. I still remember how he spent an hour saying how useless and incompreshensable MMP was. I was canvasing that day and knew we were doomed because "older canadians like him don't get it." As he said. Also don't care much for the few times he interviews people on the left. The question type is a lot more hardball or muddy the water type questions then asking them for policy adn why like he does with the libs and cons.

outwest

I agree with you, Thorin-bane. While I'm sure Enright and team think of themselves as serious small-l liberals, I find the show right-leaning both in Enright's line of questioning and in the choice of guests on the show (although that's often the producer's choice, not the host's). Political perception in Canada has shifted moved so far right that even those on the centre-right such as Enright are perceived by the public -- and think of themselves -- as progressive.  A deplorable situation. For a couple of years there, Enright seemed to do nothing but interview dinosaurs such as Margaret Macmillan, Barry Cooper, Preston Manning, etc. ad nauseum, and, looking like abject dummies, the show's team completely missed the looming economic crash of 2008, which it had been warned about well in advance by such listeners as myself. I often have had to turn my radio off in dismay.

If the small-c conservative public thinks programming on CBC such as "Sunday Morning" is so damned "liberal", one should ask why intellectual and vanguard documentarists/writers/activists/intelligentsia such as Pilger, Pinter (now of course dead), Chomsky, Paul Roberts, Catherine Austin Fitz, Tariq Ali, Nader, Hedges, Heinberg, Naomi Klein, Le Carre, Parenti, etc. -- not to mention the plethora of lesser-known but socially-aware and environmentally-committed unionists and academics from universities and left-wing think tanks across North America -- are rarely or never heard.

George Victor

And of course his interview with Parizeau, and later his look at Yukon goldrush characters would not suggest to you that he is primarily focused on Canadian events and history?  If you are turned off by one program and don't listen again, you are hardly likely to be a competent judge.

Pinning the label of centre-right on Michael Enright, and dissing one of the few programs with any historical detail,  demonstrates the depth of political ignorance in old Canuckistan, and gives cause for despair.

siamdave

George Victor wrote:

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Pinning the label of centre-right on Michael Enright, and dissing one of the few programs with any historical detail,  demonstrates the depth of political ignorance in old Canuckistan, and gives cause for despair.

- actually, the reverse of that is the case - trying to deny the general center-right stance of the CBC these days, with no real exceptions including Enright, would indidate the ignorance of most Cdns these days as to just how far to the right the entire political debate has been pushed these last 30 years. It's been a slow but steady decline for formerly center-left sorts like the CBC, but at some point during the last 10-15 years or so they definitely and completely crossed the line. Enright was kind of a living god in his days with Alan Maitland on As It Happens in the 70s and early 80s - but he seems stuck in those days, whilst the world has changed around him without him really realising it from his upper-managerial position. I wouldn't speak against him, he does indeed do a lot of good stuff still on his show - but I wouldn't speak for him anymore either, in terms of current relevance concerning anything really important. He seems to have a kind of touching belief that things today are as they were 30 years ago, in terms of the integrity of the system in general, which is simply not the case anymore. And he is not above some pretty shallow promotion of rightwing/neocon positions - I couldn't believe it last year or whenever it was the Ontario referendum was on PR when I heard him saying it was 'too difficult' for him to understand. He is not that stupid, there's nothing complicated about the idea of a party getting X% ov the vote getting X% of the seats, as opposed to the completely out-of-whack results FPTP gives us, so it was obvious he was shilling for somebody6.

And aside from that, outwest's final paragraph is the cruncher - why not deal with this, GV?:

"...If the small-c conservative public thinks programming on CBC such as "Sunday Morning" is so damned "liberal", one should ask why intellectual and vanguard documentarists/writers/activists/intelligentsia such as Pilger, Pinter (now of course dead), Chomsky, Paul Roberts, Catherine Austin Fitz, Tariq Ali, Nader, Hedges, Heinberg, Naomi Klein, Le Carre, Parenti, etc. -- not to mention the plethora of lesser-known but socially-aware and environmentally-committed unionists and academics from universities and left-wing think tanks across North America -- are rarely or never heard..."

Where are the *real* lefties and progressives such as these, GV, who really speak for the people, on the "lefty" CBC these days? Almost never to be heard, and the rare time one of them does get a bit of time, it's either very controlled or the interviewer is very hostile to ensure no discordant words disturb the passive Cdn from their belief in how great we are.

Enright is ok in his own limited way, but he is no longer relevant in terms of progressivism of any sort.

And believe me, I say that with regret and sadness.

 

thorin_bane

As do we all. I think David Grey did a much better job on cross conservative checkup, than good old rex. From top to bottom the CBC has been rotted from within. Michael Hlinka their business columnist is given 2 days a week to shout his pro free market crap in our NDP town. We already have the same thing on all the other channels including our own "professor" from the university of windsor. AND Hlinka has a column at CBC.ca.

I like how Mulcair took evan soloman to task last night for being pro conservative. That tells you where the CBC is today. An MP had to point out the CBCs host clear bias. This never happened back in the day. Yes you had a feeling of their political sway, but now its is just blatant. I listened to Sunday Edition for probably 10 years but after the MMP debacle I started tuning out and don't care at all anymore. It was stunning to me that it is somehow easier to understand FPTP than 66% elected and 33% topped up to represent true percentages in a multi party system. Sure open list vs close list-but really its harder explaining how 34% of the vote can and does equal a winner with the right split. Or how 38% can equal majority government.

The liberals started this when they put strusberg and rabinovitch in charge of the CBC. Something just a little more neocon to their liking. I don't think they forsaw a huge shift to the right that would even have them thinking the CBC was owned by the cons. As pointed out by chomsky, its not always about the hosts(though Evan Soloman proves otherise) but by the producer/publisher. They choose what is going to be the topics, and who the guests will be.

If the producer never puts on a left view there can be no complaints about how they are treated. But even in those instance you see how the questions are very different. Look at how mansbridge interviews layton vs the other two parties. The only time he has more disdain is when he talks to Gilles. Even then its a tough call who he talks down to more.

Look at how even the CBC helped with turning the coalition into a coup. They could have explained it and said it wasn't. They instead said nothing for fear of funding cuts. SAD. Why bother trying if this is your best effort.

outwest

George, asking me to suffer through entire interviews with guests I've heard before and whom I consider to be shallow, illogical, and/or dishonest thinkers is akin to asking you to listen to hate-mongerers and jingoists on your favorite right-wing talk radio station in the name of "fairness" and being able to "judge them competently." I might do it once in a while to keep abreast of what the other side is saying, and usually listen to the whole interview of anyone new, but I won't do it every single day. I've lived long enough to know when I'm listening to a crock or not.

More importantly, my point is that Enright comes across as smooth-tongued progressive, but all too often his chosen guests foist what I consider to be regressive ideology on listeners, thus creating yet another obstacle to helping educate the citizenry. (I will say, however, that since the onset of the recession, his show has been improving somewhat. Perhaps his producers decided they made themselves look pretty foolish with guests who didn't have a clue what was happening when TSHTF.)

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thorin_bane wrote:

The liberals started this when they put strusberg and rabinovitch in charge of the CBC. Something just a little more neocon to their liking. I don't think they forsaw a huge shift to the right that would even have them thinking the CBC was owned by the cons. As pointed out by chomsky, its not always about the hosts(though Evan Soloman proves otherise) but by the producer/publisher. They choose what is going to be the topics, and who the guests will be.

If the producer never puts on a left view there can be no complaints about how they are treated. But even in those instance you see how the questions are very different. Look at how mansbridge interviews layton vs the other two parties. The only time he has more disdain is when he talks to Gilles. Even then its a tough call who he talks down to more.

Look at how even the CBC helped with turning the coalition into a coup. They could have explained it and said it wasn't. They instead said nothing for fear of funding cuts. SAD. Why bother trying if this is your best effort.

Wholly agree with the role Rabinovitch and Stursberg had in shifting the CBC to the right. At the time, policy wonks at Canadian Heritage were fixated with all of Canada's cultural agencies being perceived as elitist. The elitist meme was in its infancy back in the mid to late 90s. The democratization of arts and culture was code for promoting commercial, mass appeal product over everything else. The Liberals were being attacked relentlessly by the Reform Party at the time. ATIP requests over projects funded by Canada Council or the NAC allowed them to produce titles and content that they found offensive. In that climate, Rabinovitch was assigned the head job at CBC and his mandate was to make the CBC leaner and more commercially competitive.

I think CBC staffers feared the cutbacks more than anything. And the financial bleeding of the CBC did have an impact on the quality of programming but the shift in the nature of content produced was far more insidious. Things ramped up when Stursberg was brought in. The Walrus ran an excellent article on his reign. Burman hightailed it out of there with the focus changing from information to entertainment.

The rightward shift is really noticable on their public affairs and news programming. I agree with your examples, thorn_bane. I would add the hatchet job they did on Omar Khadr as another glaring example.

George Victor

"Enright is ok in his own limited way, but he is no longer relevant in terms of progressivism of any sort."

 

 

Progressivism, used as a catchall and increasingly meaningless concept - divorced from anything that the general public would understand, let alone appreciate - marks the descent of communication among "progressives" into pure prattle.

kathleen

How about Ideas? My once, and still at times, favourite cbc radio show. And now on The Massey Lectures, a novel read by author Douglas Coupland. I couldn't listen to it. And the promotion admits it was to attract a new, younger, hipper demographic. Is Douglas Coupland still young and hip - and new?

Anybody listen? Anybody bother any more?

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kathleen, I still love Ideas for the most part. But I was seriously disgusted that they invited Margaret Somerville to do a Massey Lecture.

George Victor

It is the first Massey Lecture that I have not been able to listen to since Towser was a pup.

Looking forward to real "Ideas" again.

thorin_bane

LL I agree I mena we could probably spit out dozens of examples with little effort. One of the biggest issues is the frozen budget. It was froze since the 90s and the big difference is the websites. Which means they need eyeballs going there for whatever ad revenue they generate off the web to help offset its costs. Sharing the budgets between so many mediums is really hurting them. TV/Radio/Net and both languages is a lot to strech out.

And commercials...holy cow. I think the CRTC must have changed the amount of commercials allowed on TV for all stations. What ever happened to the concept of pay TV so you have few commercials. It is actualy backwards to that now.

Radio was the last bastion of balance on the CBC and that is all but gone. Check out The House with Ms Petty or Chris Hall(who I considered on the right when it was don newmans politics show on newsworld) who are now called the left? What universe did I wake up in?

And Q continues on...Not like its that bad, just kinda dull. I really miss Northern Lights with Andrea Ratouski. Could get my classical fix without trying to find CBC radio 2(which plays a lot of jazz anyways or did)

siamdave

George Victor wrote:

"Enright is ok in his own limited way, but he is no longer relevant in terms of progressivism of any sort."

Progressivism, used as a catchall and increasingly meaningless concept - divorced from anything that the general public would understand, let alone appreciate - marks the descent of communication among "progressives" into pure prattle.

I suppose if you've been unaware of the slow but sure shift of the CBC from the center left to the center right over the last few years, it's not surprising you would be a bit unclear about terms like 'progress' or 'progressivism'. Your apparent fondness for books by capitalist-light authors is probably also part of your - ah - misunderstanding, as one of the many deceptions capitalists engage in is attempts to confuse their intended prey through attributing false definitions to words. Few Canadians (to keep the topic local) really understand what is meant by the ideas contained within words like 'capitalism' or 'socialism', for instance, as babble discussions demonstrate all too regularly - indeed, most seem to have very false ideas what the words mean - which contributes very centrally to the current dominance of a system designed to enslave and impoverish people, while they refuse to vote for people who actually would try to help them because they have been trained to associate such people with false ideas.
But regardless of capitalist deceptions, words do have meanings - and 'progressive' does have a meaning, whether you are in the kind of space you can grok it or not. 

You could find better examples of 'prattle' if you read some of these uninformed comments of yours before hitting the 'post' button, I think.

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Anna Maria Tremonti kind of lost it this morning on The Current. She practically barked at her interview guest, Omar Jamal. He is the First Secretary with Somalia's Mission to the United Nations.

http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2010/11/17/nov-1710---pt-3-piracy-t...

kathleen

Gosh - I completely forgot about Margaret Somerville. Turned it off, tuned it out.

Seems it's been about 6 years now of Canadians giving the Massey Lectures - policy?

Ursula Franklin was the most remarkable lecturer in the series, in my experience. Life-changing even. So nothing wrong with Canadians delivering, depending on what they deliver. Not at all impressed or able to stick with Margaret Atwood's Debt series either although I was interested in the subject of debt. Ivan Illich was another life-changer.

Worst of it is they repeat the lectures in April so there are at least 2 weeks this year when I won't be able to listen Ideas.

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kathleen wrote:

How about Ideas? My once, and still at times, favourite cbc radio show. And now on The Massey Lectures, a novel read by author Douglas Coupland. I couldn't listen to it. And the promotion admits it was to attract a new, younger, hipper demographic. Is Douglas Coupland still young and hip - and new?

Anybody listen? Anybody bother any more?

Coupland said he would never read a novel that didn't have a telephone in it.  And CBC gives him a Massey Lecture.  On a par with cutting classical music out of the broadcast repertory.  Thank God for NPR internet streaming (check out KUSC).

Coupland also wrote the Marshall McLuhan entry for the Penguin's Extraordinary Canadian series.  It was basically juvenile drivel.  From what, a 45 year old man (how old is Coupland)?  There were pages and pages in the book that were nothing more than the results of running the words "Marshall McLuhan" through an internet anagram generator.  I kid you not.

outwest

"juvenile drivel" ...  as to be expected from a society that adulates Disneyworld, the Wii, and oversized SUVs as the knee's bees. Coupland is merely representative of the simplistic but befuddled plastic thinking that passes for intellectual thought in our culture. Take a look at the average person's shopping cart at the grocery store - filled to the brim with preservative-filled, shrink-wrapped, fake & dead food - with perhaps a bunch of bananas or a plastic bag of pesticide-sprayed salad thrown in for "nutrition."

George Victor

Carol Off is about to interview Liz May in Cancun...who will explain, apparently, why Canada is again rated the dreck.

George Victor

Carol Off is being joined as the As It Happens co-host by the Molson's Joe "I Am Canadian" ranter (Jeff Douglas) on Jan. 4. Hopefully he'll be as entertaining as a couple of predecessors...Alan (Fireside Al) Maitland and Barbard Budd.

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So, all that nonsense about needing to show Budd the door so that they could replace her with a journalist wasn't true? I'm shocked.

thorin_bane

Just par for the course of moving out anyone older than super hip and kewl 30 somethings-as a 30 something I find this attitiude insulting. I don't want hip and kewl...I want facts. CBC is being destroyed from within, just another example of making us hate it as much as the right so we won't bitch when it gets shut down and they can have total control of media.

Caissa

Whata fucking crock of shit! Time for a bring back Budd movement.

George Victor

Barbara entertained.  After hearing an interview with Douglas, who sounds like a likeable fella, I expect to be entertained again.  Perhaps CBC heard our complaints.

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