By-election has been called for November 29, 2010 and the Liberals are worried.
Can Fantino be stopped?
Sun, 2010-10-24 11:28
#1
Can Fantino be stopped?
Mon, 2010-10-25 09:29
#2
Not by many on this board. It would entail stategetically voting Liberal and of course that would be a bad thing!
Mon, 2010-10-25 09:38
#3
Maysie
Hi aka Mycroft, can you give us a link and more details please? Which by-election? Where?
Hi A political. No drive-by smears on the participants of babble. Cut it out.
Mon, 2010-10-25 09:50
#4
The Liberal had 60% in the last federal election. All the libs need to do is to mobilize their supporters. Strategic voting is not a factor. It's the Liberals to lose.
Mon, 2010-10-25 09:50
#5
Maysie, What's drive-by about it.? We have five or six threads going debating strategic voting where most are arguing against it as a bad thing,
Mon, 2010-10-25 09:53
#6
The NDP vote in Vaughan is so minute that its barely a factor here. The Liberalls will have to actually win over swing Liberal/Conservative voters - something they inexplicably keep not wanting to do.
Mon, 2010-10-25 10:04
#7
I don't think it is that the Libs don't want to win over those swing votes it seems they are incapable of doing it with the present leadership.
Mon, 2010-10-25 10:06
#8
The Greens and NDP together get 13% of the vote in Vaughan. It being a close race for the first time in decades, without saying a word, something like a quarter of that will drift to the Liberals anyway. A big portion of what remains is core votere who will not vote for anyone else.
As noted, the big battle is over people who have heretofore voted Liberal.
But that wont stop the broken record obsessing with "strategic voting".
Mon, 2010-10-25 10:09
#9
If stopping Fantino from becoming an MP is absolutely vital to you, then dont waste your breath on "strategic voting," volunteer to work in the Liberal campaign.
Mon, 2010-10-25 10:19
#10
Its worth noting by the way, that even without Fantion, and against an entrenched incumbent, the Conservatives have been making steady substantial gains in the riding. And growing their raw vote a lot even with turnout declining in a general election.
Now they have a by-election with turnout guaranteed to drop more, its apparent the Liberals dont have get out the vote experience in the riding, the Conservatives have Fantino, and the Liberal incumbent is gone.
Mon, 2010-10-25 10:31
#11
Maysie
A political, you made the first post in this thread, in which you started slagging strategic voting talk that hadn't happened yet here. And you smeared babble in general. That makes your post a drive by, when nobody had, and now at 10 posts nobody has, argued for strategic voting.
But the thread has moved on, so let's do that too, okay?
Mon, 2010-10-25 10:41
#12
Mon, 2010-10-25 10:48
#13
If stopping Fantino from becoming an MP is absolutely vital to you, then dont waste your breath on "strategic voting," volunteer to work in the Liberal campaign.
It is not important to me.
Mon, 2010-10-25 12:45
#14
If so, then what is post # 1 for?
Mon, 2010-10-25 12:50
#15
The Liberal had 60% in the last federal election. All the libs need to do is to mobilize their supporters. Strategic voting is not a factor. It's the Liberals to lose.
Actually, 49%, quite the dramatic drop from the 70%+ results of the Chretien years. And I'm sure Bevilacqua had quite a bit of a personal vote.
Thu, 2010-11-04 13:43
#16
Liberal Tony Genco seems pretty confident:
Liberal candidate Tony Genco says he doesn’t feel pressured to deliver in this month’s by-election in Vaughan.Sitting in his campaign office at Highway 400 and Langstaff Road, surrounded by red posters and banners bearing his name, Genco is nonchalant about what’s at stake for his Liberal Party in this by-election.
His demeanour’s at odds with the punditry surrounding this race, touted by some as a bellwether for the next federal election, upon which party strategists may base their moves. A Conservative win could be a devastating incrimination for Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff, akin to Stephane Dion’s ominous loss in the 2007 Outremont by-election. A Genco win might be interpreted as a sign of healthy support for the Liberals and Ignatieff in their ongoing effort to eventually unseat Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
And Genco is the man the Liberals have charged with making sure a 22-year stronghold doesn’t fall to the Conservatives in the form of Julian Fantino, the former OPP commissioner tapped by the Conservatives to try turn Vaughan blue.
“I wouldn’t say I’m feeling pressure,” Genco says, talking slightly above the music that penetrates the walls from the fitness boot camp next door. “What I feel is a responsibility to make sure Liberal values are understood and recognized.”
The rest, he believes, should follow from that.
“Liberal values are Vaughan values,” Genco says. “I think there’s strength in that. … If you want to understand a provincial candidate or a federal candidate, you start with what they represent in terms of the brand.”
http://vaughanelection.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/genco-says-hes-ready/
Fri, 2010-11-05 06:29
#17
I think Fantino is a dangerous and unscrupulous authoritarian who has repeatedly proven that he cannot be trusted with power. In his pompous way he is also an effective communicator who appeals to the kneejerk law n' order crowd. He also seems to have a large level of ethnic support in Vaughn which is heavily Italian.
I would love to see him go down in flames but fear this will not happen. He would not have jumped into the byelection race unless he was assured of winning, as well as a cabinet post in which he will make Nicholson and Toews look like civil libertarians.
I have not seen any polls on the byelection but remmeber a poll several months ago giving Fantino a large lead if he ran for mayor of Vaughn.
He has any number of skeletons in his closet. Racial profiling, Project Guardian in London,an 80% vote of non-confidence by the officers of the Toronto force, Cayuga, his vindictive transferring of two OPP officers which led to a public enquiry, as well as squandering $600,000 in public funds on legal fees to have the commissioner removed.
But none of these things seem to have hurt him. Like Rob Ford these scandals only seem to enhance his standing with his electorate. It is like the right wing is held to much lower standards than the left when it comes to public morality.
Fri, 2010-11-05 09:47
#18
Looks like Jim Prentice has cleared a spot at the cabinet table for Fantino. Let's hope they're disappointed.
Fri, 2010-11-05 18:55
#19
I would love to see him go down in flames but fear this will not happen. He would not have jumped into the byelection race unless he was assured of winning, as well as a cabinet post in which he will make Nicholson and Toews look like civil libertarians.
No one is ever "assured" of anything until the votes are counted. The Liberals probably can't win by making the election all about fantino personally - they need to nationalize the race and make it all about the various misdded of the harper government as a whole.