ONDP: Can Balance a Budget in Heels!

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ONDP: Can Balance a Budget in Heels!

Cueball Cueball's picture

Woot!

"Not your grandfather's NDP". Woot!

ROFL!

ETA: I did not photoshop this!

Fidel

And she's a better woman than you'll ever be.

Maysie Maysie's picture

I think Cueball's point is this ad is pretty damn sexist.

And Fidel and Cueball, you both need to stop sniping at each other. Now.

Sineed

Holy crap!  Whose idea was this??

Sineed

This reminds me of the Brescia University campaign, now thankfully withdrawn.  The caption on the picture is, "Her mind is as sharp as her heels."

 

mahmud

Maysie wrote:

And Fidel and Cueball, you both need to stop sniping at each other. Now.

I gather Maysie's warning to cueball is "pre-emptive" as he-so far- hasn't attacked Fidel!  Smile

 

Maysie Maysie's picture

Not in this thread, mahmud. Wink

Unionist

Yeah, it was post-emptive.

 

Cueball Cueball's picture

I don't think that calling Fidel on his racist use of the term "Muj" to describe Islamic militants equates with sniping. If you spend any time perusing sites other than those run by the "sensitive" left, you will see that "Muj", short for Mujaheddin, has become 21st century version of "Dink" or "Slope" or "Gook" in the parlance of the racist right and the US military. Nor is it used to describe militants solely, but is widely applied to any and all Muslim enemy people in the pejorative.

For example, here:

Quote:
US soldiers refer to the insurgents as "Muj." When captured they get the Muj to pose for photos with the phrase, "Say one, two, three-Jihad!"

That is a fairly tame example.

Classic "dehumanizing" language.

Ghislaine

Wow, what a sexist ad. This is slight thread drift, but does anyone else hate high heels out there? I have no desire to ever be a politician, but if I were I would continue to completely shun heels. Why are women continually expected to wear heels for certain roles/functions? They are horrible on the feet, the back and make a woman's feet ache. 

So, yeah. I hate this ad.

Sineed

I loathe and despise high heels.  My choice of a career was at least partly influenced by how women doing those jobs had to dress, and I shunned jobs that required "girl clothes;" ie high heels, skirts and panty hose.

Panty hose is only slightly less risible than high heels, IMV.

The ad is so obviously inappropriate, I question their ability to run this province.

Ghislaine

ditto re: pantyhose!

Yes, it is sexist on a number of levels. For one, they are making it all about the fact that she is a woman, rather than her accomplishments, competence, etc. And they are simultaneously implying "wow...she can balance a budget even as a women and looking pretty! She may be into boring old work and competence, but she would never risk not living up to society's standards of female beauty" 

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but those are the messages I get. Not a good ad for little girls. 

Cueball Cueball's picture

I guess the felt they needed to "balance" the serious looking image, with a little "femininity".

Lord Palmerston

Appalling...I do think this ad will be pulled quickly, but there are some other ones that are ideologically problematic for a social democratic party, IMV, that also appeared.

wage zombie

Terrible ad.

Fidel

Cueball wrote:

I don't think that calling Fidel on his racist use of the term "Muj" to describe Islamic militants equates with sniping.

[meandering off topic in defence of me]As far as I'm concerned the term mooj is a pejorative for a group of right wing misogynists in the extreme. Except for Ahmed Shah Massood, a Tajiki mujihadeen leader, most of the USAs other mooj proxies and drug barons they propped up with aid and weapons had no widespread popular support in Afghanistan, and they still have none today. And this is the very reason why the CIA chose to prop-up the right wing extremists that they did, and it's because the CIA knew that without billions of dollars in US taxpayers money and weapons, the very right wing and misogynist mooj possessed no real power or authority over Afghans without the CIA and ISI backing them. IOW's they could be controlled.

Today elections are crooked and marred by violence as are typical of US-managed elections around the third world. Before Zbigniew and Zia and senator Charlie Wilson's covert interventions in Afganistan by July of 1979, those right wing extremists were nothing to Afghans and going nowhere fast.[/defending myself]

aka Mycroft

This one's worse:

 

Aristotleded24

Why is this thread still open?

aka Mycroft

and also

Fidel

Ya I think this is just another run of the mill anti-NDP thread in poor taste.

There should be more anti-Pinocchio threads. I believe the UN has chided our very rightwing Liberal Party placeholders for Bay Street at Queen's Park for violating women's rights in the northern colony of Ontariariario.

Sineed

Fidel wrote:

Ya I think this is just another run of the mill anti-NDP thread in poor taste.

So you don't agree that the NDP should be chastised for these sexist ads?

Am I, an NDP supporter, supposed to ignore sexism in the interest of party solidarity?

aka Mycroft

The problem is the messaging of these posters indicates that the NDP intends to run to the right in next year's election. There's no content here except for fiscal conservatism. These ads could easily have been designed for the Liberals under Lyn McLeod or even the Tories under Kim Campbell (or for that matter, Margaret Thatcher).

It's fine to run against the HST but if that's the sole message then you might as well tell people to vote Tory.

Fidel

Let's be serious here. Nothing is perfect in Pinocchio McGuilty's Ontario. Not very much at all. People are not avoiding to vote NDP because the ONDP engineered neoliberalism in this country - because they did not.

Ontarians are not avoiding to vote ONDP because of mildly sexist ads for Andrea Horwath. Business does not necessarily mean that the ONDP wants to prop-up a US car industry in Southern Ontario with taxpayers money while ignoring Canada's flagship technology company, Nortel, as inept and incompetent upper management types flushed that company down the drain.

The truth is that more than 4 million Ontarians didn't vote for the 22 percent dictatorship in Toronto or any other party because of the overall lack of democracy. Ontarians are indebted and unemployed and living pay cheque to pay cheque and not feeling very connected to the very misogynist and very contrary to basic human rights Liberal government running things in Toronto and federal wing of that party in collusion with the Harpers in Ottawa.

 

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None of these look like Horwath to me. 

Fidel

Where did these photos even they come from? I usually source any photos I nail up on this site.

Lord Palmerston

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Why is this thread still open?

Because it's a totally legitimate discussion?

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

Fidel wrote:

Where did these photos even they come from?

I'd like to know too.  I can't find them online anywhere but here.

aka Mycroft

Fidel wrote:

Where did these photos even they come from? I usually source any photos I nail up on this site.

These posters were on display at ONDP Provincial Council this weekend. There was a fourth one that said "Would rather plant a tree than hug them"

Fidel

Sounds like bs to me. I got this one from the Toronto Star:

[url=http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/608870]$14.1 billion deficit is largest in the history of Ontario[/url] 2009

[url=http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/11/18/16204611.html]Ex... a 46% hydro rate hike[/url] 2010

aka Mycroft

I know the posters are bad but I didn't think some people would actually try to deny their authenticity.

Truth be told, I dropped by Provincial Council this weekend, saw the posters on display (you couldn't miss them, they were the first thing you saw when you got off the escalator), took pics with my cell phone and sent them to Michael Laxer who put them up on his Facebook page.

I guess I shouldn't be too surprised that some people are trying to stuff the posters down the memory hole, after all provincial council was taking place one floor up from the Chestnut Tree Cafe.

Fidel

That's okay, because we were worried that they might be the work of some Liberal Party shills or something.

aka Mycroft

No, the posters are 100% the work of the NDP and whatever ad agency the party hired though they might have well been done for the Liberals or Tories. Put McGuinty or Hudak in a pair of high heels and those parties could easily use the same slogans.

aka Mycroft

Not sure if this is better or worse than "Get Orange"? Is bad political content better than no political content?

Fidel

The top one says Toronto Star at the bottom. Can't find anything on TorStar's site. Smells fishy to me.

aka Mycroft

Fidel wrote:

The top one says Toronto Star at the bottom. Can't find anything on TorStar's site. Smells fishy to me.

Are you suggesting the NDP faked the quote?

 

Fidel

I'm suggesting the thread be closed down for public safety's sake. It smells awful.

aka Mycroft

Fidel, if you're accusing me of lying just say so. Or just ask any of the few hundred NDPers who attended provincial council since they all would have seen the posters every time they walked off the escalator.

Fidel

aka Mycroft wrote:

Fidel wrote:

The top one says Toronto Star at the bottom. Can't find anything on TorStar's site. Smells fishy to me.

Are you suggesting the NDP faked the quote?

 

No I'm suggesting someone else not associated with the NDP faked those photos.

aka Mycroft

It's kind of sad just how desperate you are to suggest the posters aren't real, particularly since they were on prominent public display and everyone attending provincial council would have seen them.

However, if you are now suggesting they might be fake because you can't find the Toronto Star quote I suggest you read this article by Jim Coyle.

Quote:
Horwath is, more than anything, real. She has, in short order, put her stamp on the party. And it's not your grandfather's NDP.

She's changing party culture. She's no fan of ideology, dogma or the macho political rhetoric, petty insult or adolescent smirking of a predominantly male realm.

 

Unionist

I had great hopes for Andrea Horwath when she disassociated the ONDP from the anti-democratic stunt of Cheri DiNovo. If aka M is right, she is now being led by the nose by the Paul Summerville wing of wannabe Liberal spin doctors. That is unfortunate. It's not my province, but hopefully, if NDP supporters in Ontario can get past denial, they can phone or visit Ms. Horwath and tell her to shape up or ship out. I'm still quite optimistic about her, from afar.

 

aka Mycroft

Fidel wrote:

aka Mycroft wrote:

Fidel wrote:

The top one says Toronto Star at the bottom. Can't find anything on TorStar's site. Smells fishy to me.

Are you suggesting the NDP faked the quote?

 

No I'm suggesting someone else not associated with the NDP faked those photos.

I told you I took the pictures of the posters that ended up in this thread. Are you suggesting I faked them or are you suggesting that some Liberal or Tory mocked up two sets of posters, snuck onto the second floor of 89 Chestnut and strategically placed the posters on stands at the escalator landing and also elsewhere around provincial council in hopes that I would come along, notice them, take pictures and send them to someone to put on Facebook?

Fidel

Who's desperate? I think if anyone's desperate in Ontario, it's Pinocchio McGuilty and his scandal plagued Liberal government driving us all into a debt hole. We'll all be freezing in the dark before very long at this rate.

aka Mycroft

So are you still insisting that the posters are fake? Why don't you ask Scott Piatkowski or Stockholm or anyone else you know who would have gone to provincial council? Scott's on the executive so I'm sure he can affirm they're real (perhaps he was even one of the people who approved them?) and if Stockholm was at provincial council he surely would have seen them.

aka Mycroft

double post

Fidel

There's nothing in the photos for reference to 89 Chestnut. No wallpaper or so much as a frame for the poster. No one standing in the foreground. Not even a bushmasters' Silva compass on the floor for scale. Nothing. Slip-shod. Fakery.

aka Mycroft

Ok, so you're calling me a liar then. I await your retraction and apology. Unitl then, perhaps the moderators will consider suspending you from Babble?

Fidel

aka Mycroft wrote:

Ok, so you're calling me a liar then. I await your retraction and apology. Unitl then, perhaps the moderators will consider suspending you from Babble?

I'm asking for proof that those photos were actually posters displayed at 89 Chestnut recently. I haven't seen any so far. You and Cueball seem to be the only people on the internet discussing them.

aka Mycroft

Have you ever been to 89 Chestnut?

aka Mycroft

Sorry, I didn't think anyone would be so vapid as to doubt the authenticity of posters which over 100 provincial council delegates would have seen. Otherwise, I would have asked Andrea to pose beside one of the posters.

Anyway, if you have been to 89 Chestnut you might recognize the carpetting and/or the windorws and curtains that you see as you get off the first to second floor escalators, clearly visible in these uncropped photos (along with the frame). I had enough trouble fitting each poster into the frame of my camera and while focussing tight enough so that the writing would be visible.

Unionist

Hey Mycroft - don't be too bothered when Fidel says the pictures are phony. He also thinks the war in Afghanistan is phony.

 

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