Cycling Thread Retread

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Tue, 2010-10-26 15:50

al-Qa'bong

No charges in deaths of 3 Quebec cyclists

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The three women cyclists, all from Montreal's South Shore suburbs, were practising for a triathlon along Highway 112 when they were hit from behind leaving a trail of bicycle helmets, water bottles and twisted bike frames along the side of the highway.

Good thing they were wearing helmets.

Someone wrote, "Wow ... be careful out there cyclists ... take care now .." in the comments section following the story. I suppose the writer means well, but a cyclist can take all the care in the world, yet an inattentive motorist can still turn you into a grease spot on the pavement.

I was cut off by impatient drivers twice within 2-4 minutes and two blocks this morning. Some bridges are out, so drivers are a little squirrely these days. The snowfall wasn't helping either.

Tue, 2010-10-26 17:26

milo204

another reason we need a major investment in bike lanes and infrastructure in this country. There are so many people who won't bike because of how unsafe it is, especially outside of the summer months when road conditions get worse.

part of it is driver negligence, people get frustrated and make rash decisions when bikes are forced into a traffic system designed for fast moving cars. some people just don't know how to drive around bikes, and some people don't know how to bike around cars.

and cities generally have no idea how to build proper bike lanes/pathways. here in winnipeg, they are making some pretty bad decisions on where/how to build bike lanes since there is not enough citizen participation in the process.

Tue, 2010-10-26 19:23

al-Qa'bong

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part of it is driver negligence, people get frustrated and make rash decisions when bikes are forced into a traffic system designed for fast moving cars.

I don't know if I'd call it "negligence." Sometimes it seems as if drivers literally cannot see cyclists on the roads. They see the obvious stuff like cars and trucks, but bikes don't seem to register.

I don't know how many times a motorist has turned right in front of me or cut me off as if I wasn't there. I don't think they were being malicious or anything, they just have a perception problem.

Thu, 2010-10-28 11:55

al-Qa'bong

Geez, it's like riding on a rink out there today.

Thu, 2010-10-28 12:20

Stargazer

Thanks to both of you (milo and Al Q) for starting this thread. I think it is a very important one. I live in Ward 37, right along Victoria Park and because the car lanes are so narrow riding the bike on the road is not an option for me. I do not trust drivers and I have been in cars with far too many drivers who deliberately cut off cyclists,. curse at them and have no respect for others on the road. I usually ride my bike on the sidewalk, stop and walk when I see people walking on the sidewalk, and avoid the road at all times. When I get yelled at (and this has only happened once) I tell them I am not risking my life by riding on the road.

How can we get more bike lanes built in the burbs? Lots of people bike but far too many are afraid to do so. We need to great a massive bike culture movement. We know Rob Ford isn't going to help us, even though he is supposed to represent everyone (hahahaha - sure).

Thu, 2010-10-28 16:13

North Shore

al, I'm not sure of your transportation situation (do you have other alternatives?) but I'm looking askance at your posts. I live near UVic in Victoria, in a neighbourhood that is home to increasing amounts of students. As the days are getting shorter, I regularly see (presumably intelligent) students riding their bikes at night wearing dark clothes, and without lights. Stupid, stupid, IMHO. As a fairly frequent cyclist, I accept that there are inherent risks to riding my bike on roads alongside car traffic - risks that are mitigated somewhat by helmets, bright clothing, lights etc.. But riding on a snowy slippery day seems, to me, to add another risk that really isn't controllable. Like the nocturnal students, wouldn't you at least want to try to even the odds against you somewhat?

Thu, 2010-10-28 16:18

al-Qa'bong

Good idea. I'll write my MP and encourage her to ban winter.

Thu, 2010-10-28 16:27

North Shore

MAybe you should encourage her to run for PM, she'd pro'lly get elected by a landslide!

As I said, I have no idea of your transport situation.

Carry on....

Tue, 2011-01-04 17:26

al-Qa'bong

For all you cyclist who think sidewalks are a safer route, guess again; not even pedestrians are out of danger.

Collision kills Saskatoon woman

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A woman died after being hit by a truck on the east side of Saskatoon on Monday afternoon.

Saskatoon police said the crash happened on the 1500 block of 8th St. East at around 2:30 p.m. CST.

The woman, a 34-year-old pedestrian, was struck by a water delivery truck in the eastbound lanes. Police said her name was not being released.

Some guy barrelled out of the parking lot, probably looking over his left shoulder at oncoming traffic, not in front of his vehicle (I see this all the time), and so didn't see the person on the sidewalk. Mme. Qa'bong came home that day and told me she saw cop cars all over 8th Street and a body covered by a white sheet lying in the middle of the road. I walked down that very sidewalk, across that same approach a couple of days ago.

Tue, 2011-01-04 18:23

#10

Boom Boom

When I lived in Toronto '77 - '80, I was always amazed to see cyclists riding in traffic in the winter. To me, that is just incredibly dangerous, because - especially at low speed - it's difficult to maintain your balance on two wheels, and you now have to cope with a slippery surface not to mention the vehicle traffic around you. And, with caliper brakes especially, those rubber brake pads are almost always wet, making them useless. I just don't get why folks want to cycle in these conditions. I'm a cyclist, but you'd never see me out there in traffic in the winter.

Tue, 2011-01-04 18:40

#11

al-Qa'bong

My secret is coaster brakes, but I don't recall ever having trouble with hand brakes. Balance isn't really a problem either, and the only time there's any danger of wiping out is during turns, so I slow right down for them. I haven't piled my bike in over a year!

Tue, 2011-01-04 18:59

#12

6079_Smith_W

I think foot brakes are better too actually, if only because your body is putting its energy down into your feet and onto the back wheel, rather than forward into your hands.

Plus, my wierdest accident in which the front brake went into the spokes and I wound up on my back, with the bike in the air.

But I am actually glad you revived this thread, because the same day the last one died I found this online:

http://boingboing.net/2010/12/18/magnetic-yellow-card.html

Tue, 2011-01-04 19:15

#13

Boom Boom

I miss my old single speed CCM bike with a coaster brake.

This is my new bike:

Tue, 2011-01-18 14:21

#14

al-Qa'bong

Urf. It was -22 or something, and I had to go chugging up the street on the Idlywyld "freeway" this morning as the sidewalks haven't been ploughed. The four lanes are pretty narrow, although a driver with any sense can go wide around someone on a bike. Nevertheless, I had to endure shouts of "Get off the road" by multiple motorists (Where, pray, was I to go, the meridian?), and enjoy the unique experience of having semi-trailers almost brush my left elbow.

Then I had to sneak my bike up to my office without commissionaires or other building officials seeing me.

It would be nice if attitudes around here would approach those of the late-20th century.

Thu, 2011-01-20 21:03

#15

al-Qa'bong

I went out for a walk last night in the -28 to -30 air, and it seemed rather cold. It was -31 or so this morning when I hopped on the bike, but I didn't feel chilly except a bit at the start. After a couple of blocks I warmed up nicely. I wore identical clothing for both the ride and the walk.

In a way, I dread the warm temperatures (it's supposed to go up past -10 all next week) in the forecast.

Sat, 2011-01-22 12:05

#16

al-Qa'bong

al-Qa'bong wrote:
Urf. It was -22 or something, and I had to go chugging up the street on the Idlywyld "freeway" this morning as the sidewalks haven't been ploughed. The four lanes are pretty narrow, although a driver with any sense can go wide around someone on a bike. Nevertheless, I had to endure shouts of "Get off the road" by multiple motorists (Where, pray, was I to go, the meridian?), and enjoy the unique experience of having semi-trailers almost brush my left elbow.

Something there is about Idylwyld that doesn't love a cyclist.

I was thinking how pleasant the ride was on my way home from work yesterday. It was up to -15, the soft warm air was caressing my cheeks, the pedals were turning with ease, and the city had cleaned the sidewalk so the ride down Idylwyld was nice and smooth.

As I hit the road where I turn left off the "freeway," I had a green light, but the cars to my right (I was on the left sidewalk) wanted to turn left, too. I therefore went halfway into the lane, put my foot down and waited for them to turn. A couple of cars went by, then a half-ton stopped and the driver waved for me to go. In retrospect, his wasn't a friendly wave.

I turned left and proceeded down the road (not the sidewalk - I do that only on bridges or on the freeway). The halfton passed me, and as he went by the driver gunned his engine, spinning his tires, in an attempt to throw road debris all over me. Luckily nothing hit me, but geez, what a dork.

Sat, 2011-01-22 19:46

#17

ebodyknows ebodyknows's picture

Sun, 2011-01-30 01:47

#18

al-Qa'bong

Ice Cycle takes place tomorrow.

http://www.icecycle.ca/

Luckily, it's supposed to be around be around -23, so the weather is co-operating. It was above freezing here a couple of days ago.

My kid, who rides his bike to school every day and is just about as hard-core as it comes, says he won't participate because he has nothing to prove.

Sun, 2011-01-30 10:52

#19

al-Qa'bong

Hmmm, it's -28 now. Could this affect the turnout today?

Sun, 2011-01-30 12:05

#20

Boom Boom

ebodyknows wrote:

I can't help thinking that photo was staged. Probably plowed the snow by hand, then staged the bike photo. Or is it real? Can't imagine the cyclist could do anything in either deeper snow or on a snow-packed slippery surface.

Sun, 2011-01-30 14:56

#21

al-Qa'bong

The angle of the blade is a giveaway. It has no angle.

Ice Cycle seems to have been a success. It was -26, yet there were 218 of us out there, according to what I heard.

Film at 11.

Mon, 2011-01-31 22:55

#22

al-Qa'bong

I don't know if I aged a lot over the weekend, but I was pretty bagged when I got to work this morning. I actually needed recovery time, when usually the ride perks me up and gets my blood flowing. I guess the -35 (with rumours of a wind chill of -43) took a lot out of me. Still, I didn't have to worry about starting a frozen automobile.

Fri, 2011-02-04 17:02

#23

ebodyknows ebodyknows's picture

Boom Boom wrote:

I can't help thinking that photo was staged. Probably plowed the snow by hand, then staged the bike photo. Or is it real? Can't imagine the cyclist could do anything in either deeper snow or on a snow-packed slippery surface.

Well the design in the photo doese look a little more advanced than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzi6QethfcY&feature=related

Fri, 2011-02-04 17:07

#24

ebodyknows ebodyknows's picture

whole story on photo: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/11/firefly-workshops-pedal-powered...

see other designs:

http://www-bdnew.fnal.gov/pbar/organizationalchart/peterson/snowplow_fil...

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/02/bicycle-powered-snowplow.php

Fri, 2011-02-04 18:25

#25

Boom Boom

From that first link: "Totally useless with larger snow falls, but the light ones make snow removal fun." I don't even bother clearing the snow until it's too deep for that bicycle plow.

Sat, 2011-02-05 22:19

#26

al-Qa'bong

Over the course of the past week we went from -35 to +3. Imagine a 38 degree difference in temperatures in July.

Anyway, cycling conditions went from chilly and exhausting to wet and sloppy. I'm not sure which I prefer. The warm conditions meant my splash pants were all wet, and gravel kept grinding away on my chain, while trying to pedal a frozen crank is pretty wearing.

A nice median winter cycling temperature is in the -15 to -10 range.

Thu, 2011-02-10 19:49

#27

Unionist

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Bike+paths+reduce+injuries+study/425... paths reduce injuries: study[/url]

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The risk of injury for cyclists riding on Montreal bike paths is about 28 per cent lower than for cyclists riding on comparable Montreal roads unprotected from traffic, according to a new study published in an international peer-reviewed journal for health professionals.

Fri, 2013-06-14 13:55

#28

lagatta

I really enjoyed this video about an everyday cyclist in Vancouver: http://tinyurl.com/VancouverCyclist

Being "part of the city", not "apart from the city"...

Fri, 2013-06-21 15:12

#29

Aristotleded24

Today is [url=http://biketoworkdaywinnipeg.org/]Bike to Work Day[/url] in Winnipeg. I'm not working today, but I will be out later to enjoy.

Sat, 2013-11-02 20:08

#30

lagatta

I thought these HEMA (Dutch) spoke lights were very cool indeed. Will have to get friends there to buy a set for me - I can't volunteer to work there these days because of my VERY elderly cat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaAO5LTNY5Q&feature=youtu.be

Thu, 2014-03-13 12:39

#31

Unionist

[url=http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/actualites-en-societe/402470/un-jugement... fined $1,000 for crossing on red light[/url]

It's in French - can't find English report so far.

Basically, Québec Superior Court rejected a lower-court ruling that Art. 327 of the highway safety code - which provides for fines from $1000 to $3000 for driving which endangers the safety or lives of persons - could only be applied to motor vehicles.

The accused had crossed diagonally on a red light. I'm not sure which light was red, come to think of it! One of them might have been green. Maybe with a mathematician expert witness, s/he could have got off?

More seriously, what do people think about this? There's a link in the Devoir article to the full court decision. In French.

Thu, 2014-03-13 14:08

#32

lagatta

Thanks. When I looked at Le Devoir online early this morning (I got up at 5am as I had to talk to a client in Paris) it was behind a subscription wall.

Completely out of line. A car is a potential mortal weapon. Yes, cyclists should be fined if we cross against the red, but fined as pedestrians are, not motor vehicles.

That is not at all how to approach the problem of scofflaw cyclists: they should be ticketed, but not charged with such an absurd sanction. And we must remember that there are many people who ride bicycles also because they can't afford public transport, let alone a car.

I was riding my bicycle a few days ago - before the storm hit - and when I was crossing the street, WALKING my bicycle, and I had the green light, a car practically ran into me. It was hurtling along, AGAINST the red light. It was going too fast for me to see its licence plate number. I also had to brake this past autumn at the corner of St-Zotique and St-Dominique (there is a stop light there). I had the green, but once again, a car was going through the red light, on St-Zotique, as I was trying to cross that street to head to Jean-Talon Market. There is an elementary school right at that corner!!!!

I suspect that the coalition vélo de Montréal people are already aware of this outrage - I'll contact them anyway.

http://coalitionvelomontreal.org/

Thu, 2014-03-13 14:17

#33

Unionist

Check your PMs, lagatta.

And here's the full decision: http://www.ledevoir.com/documents/pdf/jugement_cycliste.pdf

Thu, 2014-03-13 14:26

#34

lagatta

Thanks, unionist. When I went back to read the article online, I could read the whole thing. I don't have time to read the whole judgement now, but will. The best thing to do is contact the Coalition.

There are of course a few jerks commenting who think the exemplary decision is a good thing (there would be far, far more at Le Journal de Montréal). No cyclist associations think cyclists should have the right to run red lights (many do advocate tolerance for "rolling stops" at stop signs when there is no vehicle or pedestrian crossing in front). Scofflaws don't give us a good name, as motorists are constantly generalising about "cyclists".

I do think that a cyclist who kills or seriously injures a pedestrian or other cyclist through wanton carelessness should be charged with assault or manslaughter, though such cases are very rare. Even a pedestrian can do that, especially if wielding something heavy, or in the case of a powerfully built adult against a small child or frail senior. But motor vehicles kill pedestrians, cyclists and even other drivers or passengers all the time.

Thu, 2014-03-13 15:38

#35

6079_Smith_W

I don't favour targetting cyclists, nor treating them exactly the same as cars. I realize this decision potentially touches on a lot of issues, and I accept that an argument could be made that the fine is too high.

But cyclists aren't pedestrians either. Pedestrians don't travel at 30kph and they don't usually jump between sidewalks and roads. I know it is scofflaws, but then auto drivers who do that are scofflaws as well. And none of them are all that uncommon.

And I speak as one who was threatened some years back with being charged with leaving the scene of an accident after a truck backed over my stationary bike. And also as one who broke the law and cycled on sidewalks rather than travel roads I felt were far too risky. So I get the sense of outrage.