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Sun, 2011-03-13 16:42

Unionist

N.Beltov wrote:

One of the talking heads on CBC Sports mentioned that concussions are substantial in women's hockey at the highest level. Full body checking isn't allowed in women's hockey so, if this claim is true, it points to concussions being caused by collisions NOT involving hits to the head.

I've seen pseudo-science claims saying there are proportionally more concussions in women's hockey. The problem is that since all hitting is banned, and testosterone-driven bravado is less prevalent, concussions actually get reported. Everyone now knows they are notoriously under-reported in men's hockey.

Al Qa'bong wrote:
And tackling and blocking should be banned in football, and overhand pitching should be banned in baseball.

Call me stupid (or whatever), but when I graduated from touch to tackle, I never understood why - except that that was the way they played on TV. Once we ban hitting from hockey, we can look at the need to upend people in football. As for baseball... is that a sport?

Sun, 2011-03-13 16:54

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politicalnick

Unionist wrote:

Body checking is banned in women's hockey.

Body checking is banned in children's hockey (below a certain age, varies by time and jurisdiction).

Just a little note on this.

There are a lot of players in the womens game that want to have bodychecking in the game. Cassie Cambell being one of the prominent figures who support this.

There is also much debate in minor hockey about the issue of when hitting should be allowed. I am involved with our local association and the views are widespread with many arguments. Quite a few of us believe that if we allow hitting from the start and teach kids how to check properly and safely at an early age the game would be much safer. We see the problem that by wraping these kids in armour for 4 years or more and playing without hitting they get a sense that they, or their fellow players, can't get hurt and this mentality carries through into bantam where they are allowed to start hitting. We have noticed a distinct trend of injuries occuring in bantam and midget as bigger kids who haven't learned how to body-check properly are now allowed to hit.

Sun, 2011-03-13 17:04

#104

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

So my opinion is biased?

I guess my opinion was biased when Matt Cooke blind sided Marc Savard or when Bertuzzi sucker punched Steve Moore.

Bias?...That clown Don Cherry blaming Geoff Molson for Pacioretty's injury?

The arguement has mutated into the logic of a psychopath..Blaming Geoff Molson?...Claiming it's a 'Montreal conspiracy'?

Cherry is senile and I am convinced his Intelligence Quotient is atleast 15 points lower than someone who is legally brain dead.

He's also a notorious Quebec basher.

And my taxes are paying this prick's salary?

As long as Cherry has a job at the CBC,Ottawa should have to pay twice what it's already paying to Quebec in transfer payments.

Once again,Cherry proves that he's a fuckin' raving moron.

Sun, 2011-03-13 17:06

#105

Unionist

politicalnick wrote:

There are a lot of players in the womens game that want to have bodychecking in the game. Cassie Cambell being one of the prominent figures who support this.

Why?

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There is also much debate in minor hockey about the issue of when hitting should be allowed. I am involved with our local association and the views are widespread with many arguments. Quite a few of us believe that if we allow hitting from the start and teach kids how to check properly and safely at an early age the game would be much safer. We see the problem that by wraping these kids in armour for 4 years or more and playing without hitting they get a sense that they, or their fellow players, can't get hurt and this mentality carries through into bantam where they are allowed to start hitting. We have noticed a distinct trend of injuries occuring in bantam and midget as bigger kids who haven't learned how to body-check properly are now allowed to hit.

A ban on hitting in adult hockey would make it less necessary to prepare kids for future maiming.

Sun, 2011-03-13 17:09

#106

al-Qa'bong

Right, nick, and those kids who haven't learned how to hit or take a hit have to contend with the huge size variations in kids who play in the Bantam age group. Bodychecking ought to be allowed in Atom and Peewee so players learn to keep their heads up right from the start.

Sun, 2011-03-13 17:31

#107

politicalnick

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Right, nick, and those kids who haven't learned how to hit or take a hit have to contend with the huge size variations in kids who play in the Bantam age group. Bodychecking ought to be allowed in Atom and Peewee so players learn to keep their heads up right from the start.

I agree, the size differential is a huge problem in relation to injuries caused at this level.

I would ammend your second statement to include 'and taught properly'.

Sun, 2011-03-13 17:50

#108

al-Qa'bong

Ideally, that happens now. SMHA coaches, for example, have to attend clinics and be certified in teaching body-checking. When I attended, however, we had a classroom session, but there was a mixup in the rink schedule so we didn't receive on-ice training, yet we were certified regardless. In Atom and Pewwee, when checking was still allowed, the kids received a lot of coaching in bodychecking, both from regular coaches and others who would conduct special practices on hitting.

Sun, 2011-03-13 18:32

#109

Unionist

What about firearms? Can't teach safe handling too early, can we?

Sun, 2011-03-13 18:50

#110

politicalnick

Unionist wrote:

What about firearms? Can't teach safe handling too early, can we?

Well, actually no we can't. But that is another topic for another thread.

Sun, 2011-03-13 20:13

#111

Catchfire

And on that comedic note, let's close for length.

ETA: Cross-posted with Fidel. Politicalnick is the one who gave me a good chuckle.

Sun, 2011-03-13 20:13

#112

Fidel

al-Qa'bong wrote:

There isn't a lot of difference between this discussion and what was said about the Todd Bertuzzi incident. Habs fans are howling for Chara's blood yet look the other way when examples of similar plays by Montreal are raised (Remember Mike van Ryn?

Nonsense. There are more than just "Habs fans" calling for Chara's suspension as well as some overdue rule changes.

al-Qa'bong wrote:
He never played again after his face and skull were crushed from a hit from behind against Montreal - the chorus of Bleu blanc et rouge was that it was a clean hit). Canucks fans claimed that St. Bertootsi was merely resisting the attack of Steve Moore, an assassin sent by Satan to harm the gentle Swede, Mats Naslund.

But none of this makes any sense. You can't seriously suggest that because Moore's career ended in 2004 that it in quirky way justifies Chara going berzerk on Pacioretty twice, and the second incident ending in a near death experience for Pacioretty.

al-Qa'bong wrote:
I recorded the Leafs game, as our game took place at the same time. When I watched the recording I was pleased to see that Don Cherry literally drew up a picture of exactly what I suggested as a solution.

Cherry's a product of the past. He's cut from the same cloth as Eddie Shore, and as someone mentioned above, Shore ended the career of another hockey player before his time. That's not a plus for guys like Shore or old style hockey goonery in general.

Cherry coached a team that will probably never win the Stanley Cup with hired goons who can't skate up to the European level. And it's largely due to better conditioned, faster European skaters in the league that concussions have increased. A guy rammed into the boards at just 5% faster will not result in 5% more energy in a collision. The increase in energy is proportional to speed, and so a player skating just 5% faster means 10.25% more energy at collision time. 10% faster and there will be 20% more kinetic energy.

If they are going to skate like Europeans, then they need some room to skate. European size rinks are what's needed for guys like Pacioretty to sprint-skate with the puck safely when blowing the doors of the likes of the slower Charas and Prongers etc. Smaller rinks are ideal for goons like Chara and Pronger who are often caught flat-footed when the play changes direction.

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