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Russia
Russia's It Girl becomes high-profile campaigner against Vladimir Putin
Ksenia Sobchak, once derided over her reality TV job, is now a leading critic of the prime minister, a family friend
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/19/russia-politics-opposition-k...
Escobar: Putin Not Part of NWO, Labelled 'Evil' by Elites
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30720.htm
"It's official - Vladmir Putin won the presidential race to become Russia's leader for a third term. Asia Times correspondent Pepe Escobar in Thailand says that despite the Russian people making their choice clear, the US is still on a mission to villify the country."
He's prolly more legit among Russian voters than our corrupt stooges with 24% of the eligible Canadian vote under them.
But when his drinking and lusting and his hunger
for power became known to more and more people,
the demands to do something about this outrageous
man became louder and louder.
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Escobar: Putin Not Part of NWO, Labelled 'Evil' by Elites
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30720.htm
"It's official - Vladmir Putin won the presidential race to become Russia's leader for a third term. Asia Times correspondent Pepe Escobar in Thailand says that despite the Russian people making their choice clear, the US is still on a mission to villify the country."
Still linking to anti-Semitic sites are we?
Where? Who is anti-Semitic? Let us rack and quarter him.
I believe this site still has rules against overt racism. Read the site being linked to more carefully.
I know it's everywhere!
Monitoring and Combatting Anti-Semitism and the Assault on Israel's legitimacy, at the Guardian and its Blog, 'Comment is Free'
ps Babble search of 'Information Clearing House': search found 7487 items
Call the IDF!
ICH does seem to be obsessed with all things Israel, but as far as linking to news sites displaying overt and unchecked racism in the comments sections, CBC.ca links appear here routinely.
And how many were added by you? Whats your point anyhow, that rancid anti-semtism is ok because its only PART of the official menu? Or that my vigilance against racist of ALL kinds makes me some kind of supporter of the IDF? We've been through this before and apparently youve learned nothing.
apparently.
ICH does seem to be obsessed with all things Israel, but as far as linking to news sites displaying overt and unchecked racism in the comments sections, CBC.ca links appear here routinely.
Its not just the often racist comments -although the site does say it has policies allowing them to edit the most offensive, something it rarely enforces. It also has a long history of running stories by well known and indesputably racist authors, not unlike PressTV, another of NDPPs faves. Or does spouting some predictable anti-US-"Zio" dross, with a slightly Marxist sounding gloss, now make it ok here?
apparently.
That the best you can do?
So Fidel - that great champion of true democracy, justice and honesty supports Putin - why anyone would take seriously anything Fidel writes or links to is a mystery. The definition of hypocrisy.
As for links to racists sites - not all racism is equal on Babble
I'm not talking about Fidel here. Babblers and moderators alike have generally drawn a firm line against anti-Semitic expression here --as opposed to valid and under-reported criticism of the Israeli state of aparthied. Please stop trying to spin it the other way. The rightwing is usually the worst when it comes to racism, but the left isn't exactly immune either.
Its not just the often racist comments -although the site does say it has policies allowing them to edit the most offensive, something it rarely enforces. It also has a long history of running stories by well known and indesputably racist authors, not unlike PressTV, another of NDPPs faves. Or does spouting some predictable anti-US-"Zio" dross, with a slightly Marxist sounding gloss, now make it ok here?
I hope you're not including Pepe Escobar in that category of "well known and indesputably racist authors". His writing on international affairs is excellent, i.m.o. He's from Brazil and writes from a perspective that might best be described as reflecting the "non-aligned movement" of nations.
I know very little about Escobar's rep, but this particular pro-Ahmejinadad site often features other well known racists, like Giliad Atzmon, who NDPP himself refered back to in rebuttal. (anti-Semites rarely content themselves with hating just one non-WASP minority) And much of the usual commentary, as I was saying in that post, is obvious hate mongering, rarely checked or countered. The more decent material is rarely worth the slog IMV, and can easily be found elsewhere.
We've been through this before, but NDPP has never actually shown any awareness that it just might stray beyond the usual anti-Zionist intentions, nor shown the slightest remorse when called on it. Not even an 'oops sorry', won't happen again.
I think so too 1springgarden...which is why I posted it.
And because it was about Russia, unlike our friend ER's contributions here today.
I'm not talking about Fidel here. Babblers and moderators alike have generally drawn a firm line against anti-Semitic expression here --as opposed to valid and under-reported criticism of the Israeli state of aparthied. Please stop trying to spin it the other way. The rightwing is usually the worst when it comes to racism, but the left isn't exactly immune either.
I konw you weren't talking about fidel - I was talking about the absurdity of someone who is against corrruption in politics claiming Putin is uncorrupted by power.
So Fidel - that great champion of true democracy, justice and honesty supports Putin - why anyone would take seriously anything Fidel writes or links to is a mystery.
And I'd vouch your character if you had any.
Want me to post more burnt offerings as proof?
So why don't you make your case to ban Press TV, Information Clearing House and whatever else your little heart desires Eric, make a list, browbeat the mods and whomever else into supporting you and then let me know. I will so advise these sites and my friend Pepe Escobar as well that Rabble.ca considers them to be racist and anti-semitic and unacceptable for the likes of this 'progressive' site. Now go play elsewhere with your nonsense please.
I'm not talking about Fidel here. Babblers and moderators alike have generally drawn a firm line against anti-Semitic expression here --as opposed to valid and under-reported criticism of the Israeli state of aparthied. Please stop trying to spin it the other way. The rightwing is usually the worst when it comes to racism, but the left isn't exactly immune either.
I konw you weren't talking about fidel - I was talking about the absurdity of someone who is against corrruption in politics claiming Putin is uncorrupted by power.
Oh the butcher of Chechnya won't be remmbered as a hero either, but in the 'great game' of geo-politics I admit that I too sometimes welcome some opposition to US expansionism, nomatter who the source. Doesn't mean I'm willing to serve toxic batshit as a side order to it.
And Escobar rightly points out to us that "Al-Qa'eda" = Al-CIA'duh. I suppose that could be construed as anti-Semitic as well.
that which Erik Redburn quoted from the ICH peanut gallery, which shan't be re-quoted here.
Quoting a news article is one thing. Cutting and posting racist comments, even to prove a point.....now there's got to be an injunction against that somewhere.
So why don't you make your case to ban Press TV, Information Clearing House and whatever else your little heart desires Eric, make a list, browbeat the mods and whomever else into supporting you and then let me know. I will so advise these sites and my friend Pepe Escobar as well that Rabble.ca considers them to be racist and anti-semitic and unacceptable for the likes of this 'progressive' site. Now go play elsewhere with your nonsense please.
Nonsense? Unlike some here I'm not one to go running to the mods everytime I see some bullshit piling up here. Or feel my personal belief systems threatened. But That response is just the kind of bullshit that messes up any chance for decent discourse here --did I say Escobar was racist himself? No, I specifically did not. But could you not find some other better source for this kind of material? I bet I could find similar things without resorting to some crap filled websites set up for little but defending a politician who, unfortunately for some black vs white thinkers, has indeed a long history of using antiSemtic tracts to boost populist support. Not to mention other crimes. Gosh, it would be nice if international politics had real heros we could just follow blindly in pursut of the greater good. Until that great day though we can still avoid some obvious cess-pits.
dp*
that which Erik Redburn quoted from the ICH peanut gallery, which shan't be re-quoted here.Quoting a news article is one thing. Cutting and posting racist comments, even to prove a point.....now there's got to be an injunction against that somewhere.
Oh so you now agree that its racist? Good, then I can delete it again, at least until I need it to make another obvious point.
that which Erik Redburn quoted from the ICH peanut gallery, which shall not be re-quoted here.Quoting a news article is one thing. Cutting and posting racist comments, even to prove a point.....now there's got to be an injunction against that somewhere.
basically - so if people draw racist conclusions from an article it doessn't mean the article or it's author are racist. and if the site the article is posted on has many commenters who feel free to discuss racists ideas openly on the site it doesn't mean the site is racist.
therefore it's fine to post links to such articles from such sites.
*blatantly anti-Semtic material deleted*
(but can still be recovered by anyone willing to verify my point, just link to practically material there to do with Israel/Jews)
And this is what's so great about our phony majoritarian democracy. As a free citizen I am able to disagree with the lunatic right wing fringe in North America, and we can still share the same two countries under one general all-purpose corporate stoogeaucracy in Warshington and Ottawa. It's wonderful acshully.
Ok. I'm in favour of getting back to the discussion about Fidel. Except with much more profanity than what we have here so far in discussing the other issues.
Oh so you now agree that its racist? Good, then I can delete it again, at least until I need it to make another obvious point.
One finds plenty of examples everywhere in the commentariat, every day. The NYT, CNN, CBC, The Grope, Sun News, etc. You want the act of linking to them verboten across the board on account of racist reader comments? Fine by me but lets have one standard shall we?
YOu seem to be skimming over half my argument again. I also noted that the racist anti-semitic commentrary is closer to the norm than the exception there, and is rarely if ever deleted as it often is elsewhere. As I also noted, both this and the other pro-Ahmedinajad site PressTV, often carry overtly racist antiSemitic sources an editorials that others wouldn't touch. Whether this particular scribbler is or is not is almost beside the point there. If you want to post P. Escobar then why not from somewhere else, can't he get published anywhere else?
Gee that wasn't too hard -Asia times, Pepe Escobar:
http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/CI12Df01.html
Does this place too regularly publish holocaust deniers and the like? If it does, I'll guess I'll just have to google further for a few more seconds.
Oh so you now agree that its racist? Good, then I can delete it again, at least until I need it to make another obvious point.One finds plenty of examples everywhere in the commentariat, every day. The NYT, CNN, CBC, The Grope, Sun News, etc. You want the act of linking to them verboten across the board on account of racist reader comments? Fine by me but lets have one standard shall we?
i agree that if the linked article isn't itself promoting racist ideas then it should be fine but one should question why the article/site attracts racist anti-semite commentors
Gee that wasn't too hard -Asia times, Pepe Escobar:
http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/CI12Df01.html
Does this place too regularly publish holocaust deniers and the like? If it does, I'll guess I'll just have to google further for a few more seconds.
No www.atimes.com is not like that. Just hardcore foreign policy writing from a variety of asian perspectives.
We'll probably need a mod directive or something on this one, and since we're mostly averse toward seeking the intervention and guidance of authority...I guess it pretty much leaves Fidel to snitch us out.
i'll stop the drift now - let's talk Russia
Maybe the mods Should decide on this, but I'll leave the 'snitching' to others more comfortable with it thanks. I'd just like to see these kinds of arguments coming from less toxic sites, not like theres any shortage of them either. If we have to do without links to National Post or Sun editorials bashing NDNs or poor Muslim immigrants, in the interest of balance, I could probably live without that too. Though I can live with them too if posted here as 'what the F** are *they* on-about-again' threads.
Ok. I'm in favour of getting back to the discussion about Fidel. Except with much more profanity than what we have here so far in discussing the other issues.
Yeah, enough about them let's talk about me.
Gee that wasn't too hard -Asia times, Pepe Escobar:
http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/CI12Df01.html
Does this place too regularly publish holocaust deniers and the like? If it does, I'll guess I'll just have to google further for a few more seconds.
No www.atimes.com is not like that. Just hardcore foreign policy writing from a variety of asian perspectives.
I've never noticed much underhanded there eiher, no, but possible I miss stuff too.
And yes Dostoevsky, how about more about Putins victory and what they might mean for Russian-US-Me relations? Got to be decent commentary out there.
dp
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Okay, Russia. We all know what Putin is about, he was top banana once before and second banana last go round. His party United Russia probably did some robocalling to direct his opponents in close ridings to some non-existent voting booths. But obviously a good number of Russians like what he stands for. Russian liberals might not like him as much. Pepe Escobar got it right, that Putin represents a strong Russia in a multi-polar world.
Oh so you now agree that its racist? Good, then I can delete it again, at least until I need it to make another obvious point.One finds plenty of examples everywhere in the commentariat, every day. The NYT, CNN, CBC, The Grope, Sun News, etc. You want the act of linking to them verboten across the board on account of racist reader comments? Fine by me but lets have one standard shall we?
i agree that if the linked article isn't itself promoting racist ideas then it should be fine but one should question why the article/site attracts racist anti-semite commentors
That could be a decent balance too, yes. Enough of this drift for now, agreed.
All the Russians I know think Putin is a rock star... he like finds treasure when he dives into the sea and stuff.
This thread's title should be changed to "babblers taking shots at other babblers."
Erik, if you find something racist or anti-Semitic about the site link posted by NDPP, please be specific. Quote the offending content.
Regardless, everyone, please get back on topic and stop sniping at each other.
Thanks.
I think we should take shots at and compare the dictators not each other for sure.
This Putinmania is almost comparable to the Clinton dynasty with Hillary still there and threatening other countries with military aggressions. And the Bush family's dynastic rule and influence in and out of government has been breathtaking over the years, and with Cheney and Rumsfeld embedded in Warshington since the 1970s it's difficult to know when or where this corporatized military regime begins or ends. Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon capitalists are recyclable warmongers decade after decade. In this way it is the greenest corporate-sponsored military dictatorship ever conceived.
The candidates' views are irrelevant; the public's views are of marginal interest. The question of who won and who lost is also uninteresting, since everyone, even those who are paid to pretend otherwise, know the outcome has been predetermined.
The point of a managed election, after all, is not to pick a winner but to reinforce the legitimacy of an illegitimate regime.
By those criteria, last weekend's Russian election did achieve some successes. Apparently, millions of people did actually vote-some 64 percent, according to (possibly exaggerated) official statistics, though outsiders report "brisk" turnout as well. This is a major achievement for the second Putin presidential regime: It implies that a lot of Russians still believe, at some level, that participation matters, even if the outcome is known well in advance.
The regime also scored some points by not overstating its victory too much. Had Vladimir Putin followed in the footsteps of President Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus, who claimed an utterly implausible 80 percent victory in 2010, he would have made himself look foolish. As it was, the 64 percent Putin claimed is just barely plausible-independent monitors think the real number hovered around 50 percent-but at least he conceded that some other people might have received votes, giving the whole exercise a thin veneer of respectability.
I guess this just shows that when maybe 1/2 the population of a country likes a strong familiar leader - democracy is weak and useless or useful to give the him the cover of "the people's approval"?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2012/03/despite_claims_of_fraud_vladimir_putin_s_presidential_election_victory_is_still_a_big_win_.html
As much as he maybe wants to be one Vladimir Putin is not a dictator, nor (despite what many here want to believe) is any US president for that matter. They all have to get elected and govern within the laws of their constitutions.
Having said that is there a term limit for the Russian president? This will be number three for him.