Broten NDP and Keystone XL "clarification"

Sure, but unless you are able to articulate what it is the SNDP could be doing better, then what's the point?

Does Broten simply not look like a leader in your opinion?

This thread is about SNDP support for exporting oil to the States. Are we going to fault them for trying to earn a living in Saskatchewan?

I don't think we can blame the SNDP for wanting to selloff the crowns and moneymakers to rich friends of the Liberal and SaskaTory parties - they will have to continue voting SaskaTory if they want that to happen since the Tories and SaskLibs merged on the right to defeat the SNDP. But voters should be careful of what they wish for. The two old line parties will surely make life more "interesting" for those who were terribly bored with balanced budgets and public ownership of the means in Saskatchewan.

Come visit Ontario and get a feel for what actually existing neoliberal ideology can do for workers and young people with waning hope for the future.

What better options, the ones "(which have already been mentioned in this thread)"?

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Yes, I fault them - just as much as I faulted the NDP in its support for uranium mining.

You can fault them all you want, but according to Professor Jim Harding:

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"...once the FTA and NAFTA came into effect, the U.S. shut down its uranium industry because it had security of supply from Canada."

Yes, your blame is misplaced, once again.  You can fault the SNDP for supporting uranium production and jobs in Saskatchewan, but you should be double-faulting Brian Baloney Mulroney and the Little Strangler Guy from Shawinigan for guaranteeing 60%+ annual Canadian energy production goes to, as Vivien Leigh once said in Gone With the Wind:  ~(drumroll)~

"Oh Rhett, it's the YANQUIS!"

Gone, as in b'bye. Yeah, blame those shitheads for allowing Canadian national energy policy to be dictated to our corrupt stooges in Ottawa all the way from corporate board rooms in Amurrica.

Provincial governments are able to tweak prov. taxes to the point they are still competitive with larger provincial economies east-west, and they can regulate and legislate where they can. But that's about it. Provincial governments have very little control over the national economy. Nobody has a wallet for funding alternative economies like the feds have chosen not to use for the last 30-35 years while turning Canada into a 10 weaker provincial colonies whose natural resources are wide open for multinational corporations to raid at will and especially so since CUSFTA and NAFTA.

I think provincial NDP's have to play the game like there will never be a federal NDP government. They can play the cards dealt to them but not the hands they do not have. Yet.

I had no idea Broten's political jockeying would trump NAFTA and the fact that it was a federal Liberal government that promised not to sign Mulroney's expanded free trade deal "as is", and then proceeded to break that grand election campaign promise by 1994.

Who knew? Who knew that uranium would be included in that overall energy giveaway to corporate America for zip in return?

It's all Broten and the NDP's fault, we know. Pull the other one - it's got bells on.

6079_Smith_W wrote:

You asked the question Fidel, and it wasn't about who is pulling the strings behind North American oil policy, it was about Cam Broten's leadership, and his support for Keystone, and whether there is a problem with our province just trying to make a buck with that project.

Seeing as there are many people, and even some conservative politicians who have enough independence that they aren't under the control of puppet masters, and have spoken out against Keystone, it's a fair question, really. I just answered it.

 

So you are worried about the environment. And that's a valid concern. But what about U.S. plans for fracking shale deposits if they can't import enough energy to appear as a bright neon sign compared to North Korea as viewed from space? Uncle Sam's hard fought-for reputation for being the most energy-intensive, most fossil fuel-dependent, and most unsustainable economy in the world is at stake. We're talking about the USA, that nation's whose national energy policy is bomb first blame it on Al CIA'da later.

The environment is hemispheric and even global in scope, no?

Has anyone produced any numbers on Bakken and other U.S shale area production to compare with established greenhouse output numbers for the oilsands?