I think this race should have its own thread.
Two women, one riding.
This is shaping up to be a battle of the titans!
Each of these ladies will not roll over and concede the riding to the other.
So discuss here and discuss now!
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Linda McQuaig VS Chrystia Freeland
Wed, 2013-09-18 09:51
#1
Linda McQuaig VS Chrystia Freeland
Wed, 2013-09-18 10:12
#2
As I posted yesterday in another thread, Linda is having an event with Tom Mulcair at the Pogue Mahone Bar on Thurday evening at 7 pm.
The address is 777 Bay Street but the most convenient entrance is off College Street, just west of Yonge and near the College subway.
Sat, 2021-11-20 12:04
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Thu, 2013-09-19 06:41
#4
infracaninophile
Now we know how progressive the Fraser Institute is and how up and progressive the Koch brothers from USA who are big donors of Fraser.
Seems to me that FI report should be subtitled, Freedom to Exploit.
Thu, 2013-09-19 15:58
#5
I have a feeling Freelands own arrogence is going to defeat her in TC.
Thu, 2013-09-19 16:02
#6
Linda McQuaig is already putting up a fight.
“It’s hard to imagine what useful economic advice Freeland can offer Trudeau,” Ms. McQuaig said in a statement. “Rather than assuming she’s going to win, she should come to the riding, where I’ve invited her to debate rising inequality and what can be done about it.”
What is Chrystia Freeland afraid of?
And will either of them show up on Rogers Community Cable for the debate moderated by Dale Goldhawk?
Why is Chrystia Freeland so afraid to debate Linda McQuaig?
Thu, 2013-09-19 16:10
#7
Arthur Cramer
TT:
Why? Becaus McQuaig will clobber her; that's why.
Thu, 2013-09-19 16:10
#8
Arthur Cramer
TT:
Why? Becaus McQuaig will clobber her; that's why.
Thu, 2013-09-19 16:59
#9
Arthur Cramer
now this is funny
Mrs. Freeland retweets info from Fraser Institute. guess #lpc economic team 'shoots the hippo' #torcen #cdnpoli http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/economic-freedom-of-the-world-2013.pdf …
Now we know how progressive the Fraser Institute is and how up and progressive the Koch brothers from USA who are big donors of Fraser.
From the keyboard of a Lb apologist on Huff Post, Freelan was just "doing her job as a reporter".
Honest.
Sat, 2021-11-20 12:04
#10
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Fri, 2013-09-20 14:05
#11
In the words of Kim Campbell @ 1:20 in the below clip "Why are you afraid to hear me? Why are you so scared? Just listen!"
http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/politics/prime-ministers/kim-campb...
Do you think Chrystia Freeland will say the same thing at her all-candidates debate?
Why is she so scared to face-off against Linda?
Fri, 2013-09-20 14:29
#12
As I posted yesterday in another thread, Linda is having an event with Tom Mulcair at the Pogue Mahone Bar on Thurday evening at 7 pm.
The address is 777 Bay Street but the most convenient entrance is off College Street, just west of Yonge and near the College subway.
I did attend just in time to catch the speeches. Good scene, though it was hard to hear Linda.
Fri, 2013-09-20 14:38
#13
I did attend just in time to catch the speeches. Good scene, though it was hard to hear Linda.
What NDP stars did you see at the event? How was the food?
Linda is keeping up the heat on Freeland. She told the Toronto Star '"I can expose Freeland and ultimately Trudeau as having no real solutions"
Chrystia Freeland pointedly refused to reply to McQuaig’s swipes against her, saying it wasn’t the day to do so.
So will Freeland melt under the McQuaig heat?
Fri, 2013-09-20 15:24
#14
I think in a straight up fight McQuaig could beat Freeland, even in this long-time-Lib riding, however I doubt we'll see a straight up fight. McQuaig lives here, seems to know her stuff as long as she avoids discussing the Mid East (she's too partisan), and she has a higher professional profile (up until last week I'd never heard of Freeland); Freeland seems pretty clueless in the interviews I've seen however McQuaig will be fighting an uphill battle and her primary opponent, I suspect, will be Justin Trudeau.
Fri, 2013-09-20 18:54
#15
What NDP stars did you see at the event?
Depends what consitutes a "star." Adam Giambrone? Jennifer Hollett?
How was the food?
Overpriced.
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Fri, 2013-09-20 19:14
#16
Arthur Cramer
Its usually overpriced and not very good, but I admire McQuaig, and wish her well.
Sat, 2021-11-20 12:05
#17
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Fri, 2013-09-20 20:54
#18
Arthur Cramer
"Chrystia Freeland pointedly refused to reply to McQuaig’s swipes against her, saying it wasn’t the day to do so."
TorStar Lib writer used Swipes, whereas the better word would be criticism.
Yep! Nailed it again Jan!
Fri, 2013-09-20 21:02
#19
To add to Mórríghain's post, Mulcair was there too. And Cash. I'm guessing Olivia Chow was there, but it was so crowded at the time that I did not see her, and I left right after the speeches.
It was a good event, drew a lot of people. Diverse crowd. Both young and old.
Sat, 2013-09-21 07:15
#20
Here are parallel interviews with Freeland and McQuaig in the Globe today.
IMO, F seems reticent, vague and avoids several questions.
M shows much more forthrightness, verve and wit.
Sat, 2013-09-21 09:39
#21
Here are parallel interviews with Freeland and McQuaig in the Globe today.
IMO, F seems reticent, vague and avoids several questions.
M shows much more forthrightness, verve and wit.
Its a shame no one will see it because of the stupid paywall.
Sat, 2013-09-21 11:34
#22
What NDP stars did you see at the event?Depends what consitutes a "star." Adam Giambrone? Jennifer Hollett?
How was the food?Overpriced.
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You had to PAY for the food? I'm sure the Liberals offered free food and drinks at their event!
Sat, 2013-09-21 11:51
#23
Some food is overpriced even when it's free.
Sat, 2013-09-21 12:00
#24
They clearly dropped the ball if there were not enough refreshments made available to people attending the rally. The NDP are taking their supporters for granted by not have free food to munch on.
At least the Liberals didn't make that mistake. They know how take care of their supporters and volunteers by providing refreshments.
Sat, 2013-09-21 12:08
#25
How was the food?Overpriced.
You had to PAY for the food? I'm sure the Liberals offered free food and drinks at their event!
It was a gathering in a pub, rather than a meeting at an NDP venue. To be clear, this was not the riding association meeting where she was elected. Rather, it was a gathering held some days afterword.
Generally there are some snacks provided free at such gatherings in pubs that the NDP typically have (though never free booze), and that may also have been the case for this one. I was late, and just got there when the speeches had started, so any free snacks that may have been available were long gone. It was packed with people being merry and partaking in the beverages and food that the pub had to offer while cheering on Mulcair and McQuaig as they spoke. It was a good gathering.
Sat, 2013-09-21 12:12
#26
They clearly dropped the ball if there were not enough refreshments made available to people attending the rally. The NDP are taking their supporters for granted by not have free food to munch on.
At least the Liberals didn't make that mistake. They know how take care of their supporters and volunteers by providing refreshments.
Have Freeland and Trudeau and the Libs had a fun gathering with speeches in a pub recently?
Sat, 2013-09-21 18:25
#27
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/story.html?id=8938783
Scott Reid Mr. Bread and Beer himself on Firing Mulcair's advisors, the Polls, and the race in TC.
This was pointed out to me by Norman Spector on tweeter, who pointed out that recent crop and abacus polls undermined Scott's point.
On a more specific point, the TC race, I'm happy to see that Mulcair has doubled down his bet on Linda McQuaig, if we lose by a large margin it will hurt, but if we win or even come close it will help frame things for the Election in 2015.
I believe Linda is going to win here, she's positioned herself beautifully in reguards to both the local issues (aka roots) vs. Freelands ignorance of the riding which will alienate people, and income equality. Freeland is not prepared for this sort of attack from the left and its putting Freeland in a pincher between the NDP and the Tories. Rosedale will resent the inequality debate period and Freeland's pro wealth position won't matter as she is half of the catalyist for this debate in the first place a debaye Rosedale does not want to happen. If the Tories suck up thise votes and donar dollars the Libs will be in a weaker position. Her lack of solutions and her lack of roots, personality wiol alienate the poor and middle class.
Sat, 2013-09-21 19:53
#28
In the Globe article Chrystia praised Linda for her writing. Calling her 'terrific' and 'stimulating'. And congratulated her on winning the nomination. For her part McQuaig had nothing nice to say about Freeman. She even said Freeman probably hobnobs with billionaires, while she (Linda) knows none.
Linda also said she looks forward to an excellent working relationship with "Mayor Olivia Chow"
McQuaig wraps things up by saying "I'm not against Capitalism"
Sat, 2021-11-20 12:05
#29
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Sat, 2013-09-21 22:54
#30
In the Globe thing, I was struck by Freeland's constantly returning to "the middle class." It sounds like a talking point and makes her sound phony. I appreciated that McQuaig had read Freeland's book, but not vice-versa. Pretty poor, really. Overall, McQuaig is very nuts and bolts, which I like. Perhaps voters prefer being talked down to. Who knows?
Sun, 2013-09-22 07:41
#31
I do think that Linda McQuaig will have enthusiastic supporters campaigning for her. However, I do think that Chrystia Freeland may have an advantage in Toronto Centre due to the nature of the riding. Linda McQuaig's area of strength will be south of Bloor Street whereas Chrystia Freeland will have strengths mainly north of Bloor but also in some parts south of Bloor. North of Bloor, people who normally vote Conservative may choose to vote Liberal to keep out the NDP. Also, people who are well-off tend to vote on average more than people who are less-well off. Unless, Linda McQuaig's supporters can get out the vote, I would place my bet on Chrystia Freeland winning the riding. Personally, I do hope that Linda wins the by-election. However, I will still place my bet on Chrystia winning.
Sat, 2021-11-20 12:06
#32
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Sun, 2013-09-22 11:52
#33
Akin's and Pundits guide also noted the energy at the NDP nomination meeting was 100x that of the Liberals nomination meeting the NDP is hunger for it.
Sat, 2021-11-20 12:06
#34
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Sun, 2013-09-22 12:53
#35
Good to know Jan.
Sun, 2013-09-22 13:09
#36
Liberals basically did the parachute candidate thing and lets just say it didn't go over well.
I'd never thought I'd see the day when Andrea Horwath and Justin Trudeau would have something in common.
Just ask Joy Taylor who was a CCF/NDP member for the past 74 years.
Sun, 2013-09-22 13:24
#37
The ndp ground game is no match for crocked robo calls etc
Sun, 2013-09-22 13:32
#38
I think the focus on income inequality will turn off Rosedale Lib Tory swing voters who may decide from thier perpective that Freeland is too close to being an NDPer for it to matter, which I obviously disagree with.
I do agree that getting the vote out will be vital and the difference between defeat and victory, but Linda has a great head start. There are challenges to be sure, but ones that can be over come.
I do like that Linda made her answer above both about solutions and related it directly to the riding taking advantage of her much greater local knowledge and roots to make it relavent to residents.
Sun, 2013-09-22 13:34
#39
And people need to start paying a lot more attention to posters like unionist
When something is wrong and you realize it is wrong speak up
Shout it out from the rooftops
Or we will have repeat situations like we had in point grey when jim green ran against gordon campbell
Brad zubyck i dont know how to spell the jerks last name was useless as a campaign manager the bc ndp could have won that riding with the right campaign manager and just think how that might have changed things but it didnt
If u see something that is not right speak up otherwise it will come back and bite you in the ass
People need to be involved in politics for the right reasons not because you have a resume in your pocket and you are looking for a job
Sun, 2013-09-22 13:37
#40
Linda mcquaig winninhg would be huge so every ndp supporter across the country needs to get involved in getting her elected send money
Phone move there temporarily and door knock for her do whatever it takes.
Sun, 2013-09-22 14:24
#41
According to twitter Linda will be at the Toronto Library and is inviting people to meet her.
Linda also makes a joke about Conrad Horsewhipping her for disagreeing with him.
Sun, 2013-09-22 14:32
#42
If one compares Freeland's tweets with Linda's Linda is very much focused on the race and the issues in the riding and in federal politics, Freeland is more interested in what's going on everywhere else with her election in the riding almost an after thought. Freeland will be on stage with other best sellers so if you why to ask her if she supports increased corporate taxes, or a National Housing Stragdgy or PR this is your opportunity, assuming people are allowed to approach the best sellers.
Sun, 2013-09-22 17:06
#43
I have a strong sense that rich Rosedalians will vote for whichever candidate can beat McQuaig. Also, that riding seems to go Liberal even when everywhere else doesn't. The Liberals have good support in the Village.
Sun, 2013-09-22 17:27
#44
We'll see I guess, anything is podsible, but I wouldn't count Linda out.
Sat, 2021-11-20 12:07
#45
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Mon, 2013-09-23 00:34
#46
If the ndp wins in 2015 sounds like linda mcquaig is headed for the ndp cabinet
Thats the kind of courageous leadership i want from mulcair and why i backed him for leader
Mon, 2013-09-23 08:05
#47
I have a strong sense that rich Rosedalians will vote for whichever candidate can beat McQuaig. Also, that riding seems to go Liberal even when everywhere else doesn't. The Liberals have good support in the Village.
I am in agreement with CanadaOrangeCat. No matter how much campaign support that Linda McQuaig has, I do think that the people of Rosedale will vote for the candidate that can beat her. Conservative supporters will vote Liberal because this by-election will not affect the overall outcome in the House of Commons. Harper and His Conservatives will still have a majority of the seats in the House of Commons.
Sat, 2021-11-20 12:07
#48
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Mon, 2013-09-23 10:32
#49
I have a strong sense that rich Rosedalians will vote for whichever candidate can beat McQuaig. Also, that riding seems to go Liberal even when everywhere else doesn't. The Liberals have good support in the Village.
I am in agreement with CanadaOrangeCat. No matter how much campaign support that Linda McQuaig has, I do think that the people of Rosedale will vote for the candidate that can beat her. Conservative supporters will vote Liberal because this by-election will not affect the overall outcome in the House of Commons. Harper and His Conservatives will still have a majority of the seats in the House of Commons.
I think we are flattering ourselves if we think that the billionaires of Rosedale actually care that much about who wins or loses the byelection in Toronto Centre. Its a byelection - no government is at stake. I'm not sure that Heather Reisman and gerry Schwartz will be all that motivated fly home from the Riviera just to make sure that the anti-plutocrat candidate wins against the anti-billionaire candidate! In any case there actually aren't that many votes in Rosedale - you can have a block with 4 gigantic mansions on it that might have a grand total of 6 eligible voters (some of whom may be live in servants who might vote NDP:-))
Mon, 2013-09-23 13:01
#50
Exactly. Don't let the big red / blue houses on the map fool you. There's not a lot of people in Rosedale compared to just one condo or apartment building. There IS a lot of money. But organization and enthusiasm can beat money.
Mon, 2013-09-23 14:32
#51
Helen Kennedy of Egale Canada has torn up her NDP membership and signed up with the federal Liberal party. She says she only joined the Liberal Party two months ago and primarily to support Todd Ross who was seeking the nomination in Toronto Center.
“I joined to support an out queer Métis who has done an amazing amount of work for the community on a number of levels,” she says. “Being able to support the first out progressive lesbian premier would warrant my support.
“There’s no greater reason to leave the NDP. Linda McQuaig is a great candidate for Toronto Centre, I have a great amount of respect for her. I have great respect for a lot of the NDP, but for me it’s important to elect out progressive politicians at every level.”
Though Ross did not win the nomination, Kennedy gave no indication if she will remain a Liberal party member or go back to the NDP.
Wonder if Chrystia Freeland is wooing Helen to stay with the dark side.