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Justin Trudeau: Is he actually going to be a drag on the Liberal 2015 election chances?
Mon, 2014-10-20 21:52
#1
Justin Trudeau: Is he actually going to be a drag on the Liberal 2015 election chances?
Mon, 2014-10-20 21:52
#2
Just Askin'
Mon, 2014-10-20 21:58
#3
I used to know someone who took it upon themselves to add their name to some well known organization's letterhead that listed a lot of famous achievers.
For some reason Justin Trudeau with his really stupid off-the-cuff comments, and now his so-called memoirs, etc. reminds of this person.
So this makes me wonder if, in spite of his initial reasonably good showing in the polls, will Trudeau end up dragging the Liberals even further down than they were in the last federal election.
Mon, 2014-10-20 22:27
#4
The Liberal Party is beginning to remind me of a cult with Trudeau as their guru.
But as Trudeau loses more and more credibility (and for any of whose who doubt that is going to happen just take a gander at the current Conservative attack ads), I am beginning to wonder if by the time the actual writ is dropped and we are into the election, Liberal candidates will be trying to dissociate themselves from Trudeau's leadership, and removing his name from their election material.
Tue, 2014-10-21 01:04
#5
Just Askin'
Here are some other non-loaded questions you can "ask" us on many many more of your numerous engaging threads on Babble before the 2015 election:
Is Trudeau going to lose his own seat in the 2015 election?
Will the Trudeau Liberals win any seats in the 2015 election?
When will the pollsters, who are all on the payroll of the Liberals, show us that the vast majority of Canadians think Trudeau is a loser?
Has Trudeau ever read a book in his life?
Does Trudeau secretly admire Harper more than his dad?
Will Sacha Trudeau have to replace Justin before the 2015 election?
Is Trudeau going to replace Ben Mulroney as the host of that entertainment show before or after losing the 2015 election?
Can Trudeau avoid electoral Armagedon during the 2015 election debates without the use of a teleprompter?
Is Trudeau just visiting?
What does Trudeau's I.Q. indicate, that he's a moron, an imbecile, or an idiot?
Tue, 2014-10-21 05:20
#6
As I mentioned Liberals presently seem cult-like.
Similiar to a cult, if you challenge their leader's abilities, rather than resorting to discussing the policies that their political party represents, they respond with nonsensical gibberish you see above.
Trudeau charm unlikely to woo Quebecers, polls suggest
To start, our findings suggest Trudeau is actually less popular among Quebecers now than he was before he became leader of the Liberal party. Specifically, between the fall of 2012 and the spring of 2014, only one year after taking over as leader of the federal Liberals, Trudeau's average popularity plummeted by half to only 23 points on a scale ranging from 0 (meaning "really dislike") to 100 (meaning "really like").
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/trudeau-charm-unlikely...
Tue, 2014-10-21 05:25
#7
Much can happen politically in one year
Justin Trudeau's uncertain journey:
After a honeymoon period that lasted longer than some marriages, gravity is pulling the Liberal leader back into political re-entry.
He has had 18 months to grow into his job but has so far ceded much of the policy field to Opposition Leader Tom Mulcair, has been the victim of too many self-imposed wounds and doesn't look ready for prime time. Trudeau is being squeezed by the two more experienced leaders and reports that the Conservative attacks on the Liberal leader have backfired could prove premature the closer we get to voting day.
He is also going to face much tougher scrutiny from a more skeptical press gallery. Balanced babies and fawning profiles won't put him over the top. Can he get his tongue and brain in sync?
http://www.therecord.com/opinion-story/4924126-much-can-happen-political...
Tue, 2014-10-21 05:33
#8
Everybody’s talking at Justin Trudeau. He can’t hear a word they’re saying
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/10/20/full-pundit-everybodys-ta...
Tue, 2014-10-21 05:40
#9
NDP poised to hold ground in Quebec
With a year before the next federal election, neither Harper's Conservatives nor Trudeau's Liberals appear to be making significant gains on the NDP in Quebec.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/10/20/ndp_poised_to_hold_...
Tue, 2014-10-21 05:51
#10
Team Trudeau pretty darn close to a personality cult
Team Trudeau has decided to take a different route; rather than emphasizing its brand, it’s stressing the personality of its leader: Justin Trudeau.
https://www.hilltimes.com/post-partisan-pundit/2014/10/20/team-trudeau-p...
Tue, 2014-10-21 06:11
#11
Tue, 2014-10-21 08:44
#12
Arthur Cramer
Do NOT count this guy out. He's slick, and its only one poll. This thread makes me uncomfortable. Lets keep our eye on the ball. This is almost gloating and we should be careful. Again, we need to keep pour eye on the ball. We may dislike this guy, but the Libs are ahead and the Trudeau name still resonates. Caution please.
Tue, 2014-10-21 09:26
#13
The Memoir has landed
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/20/justin-trudeau-memoir-common-gro...
Tue, 2014-10-21 12:20
#14
montrealer58
Arthur is right. Anything can happen, so we can't let down our guard. People we do not like very much are going to agree with us. But they are going to criticise Trudeau for saying he is too left-wing, which he is not. Now, Adam Vaughan is adding to the fray. Adam Vaughan is bad news for Justin Trudeau.
Trudeau has made himself the lighting-rod, and now he has reinvoked the ghost of his father which will raise the hackles of most people in Quebec and Western Canada. If not the ghost of his father, the ghost of some family problems. He even says his father did not like to talk about personal stuff, and he does it anyway. Not one of the "7 surprising facts about Trudeau" was about his vision for Canada, which would have been a reasonable thing to write about instead of all of this.
After a while, people just don't want to know.
Tue, 2014-10-21 13:04
#15
As I said I think the negative ads are working, as they have been relentless. We are talking both TV and radio ads, in addition to flyers and 10 percenters.
And we are going into YEAR 2 with this non-stop propaganda machine against Trudeau. That is TWO solid years of non-stop media messaging against Trudeau. Even Obama didn't get this length of negative assault ad war.
Plus take no prisoners Jenni Byrne is heading up the National campaign, so watch for the ads to escalte.
I just don't see with this full blown media assault how Trudeau's numbers can't continue to decline.
Tue, 2014-10-21 14:03
#16
Everyone was saying for ages that the attack ads fell flat. As I kept saying, they fail when people don't see the truth in them, and succeed when they do. If people are losing faith in Justin it's because they've seen the truth of the ads in his own behaviour.
Tue, 2014-10-21 14:05
#17
Team Trudeau pretty darn close to a personality cult
I don't know NorthReport, the only one here obsessed with him is you.
Tue, 2014-10-21 14:44
#18
Everyone was saying for ages that the attack ads fell flat. As I kept saying, they fail when people don't see the truth in them, and succeed when they do. If people are losing faith in Justin it's because they've seen the truth of the ads in his own behaviour.
They are actually seeing the truth in the ads, as we are entering year 2 of these ads. And his numbers are starting to decline.
They are putting his gaffs in the media and the ads together, which is planting a seed of doubt in people's minds.
Tue, 2014-10-21 16:21
#19
Just Askin'
Here are some other non-loaded questions you can "ask" us on many many more of your numerous engaging threads on Babble before the 2015 election:
Is Trudeau going to lose his own seat in the 2015 election?
Will the Trudeau Liberals win any seats in the 2015 election?
When will the pollsters, who are all on the payroll of the Liberals, show us that the vast majority of Canadians think Trudeau is a loser?
Has Trudeau ever read a book in his life?
Does Trudeau secretly admire Harper more than his dad?
Will Sacha Trudeau have to replace Justin before the 2015 election?
Is Trudeau going to replace Ben Mulroney as the host of that entertainment show before or after losing the 2015 election?
Can Trudeau avoid electoral Armagedon during the 2015 election debates without the use of a teleprompter?
Is Trudeau just visiting?
What does Trudeau's I.Q. indicate, that he's a moron, an imbecile, or an idiot?
Tue, 2014-10-21 17:20
#20
Was Justin Trudeau actually born in Kenya?
Not saying he was. Just asking.
Tue, 2014-10-21 18:19
#21
Arthur Cramer
I really think this is an unfortunate thread. NR, you should volutarily ask it be closed. There is just one poll. I hate Trudeau as much as the next guy, but this isn't a good way to expend our energy. DO NOT underestimate Trudeau; he's slick and has his Father's name. THAT, is a VERY BIG DEAL! Lets keep talking ieas and policy and let the partisan sniping on this board continue to be made by our Liberal friends here.
Tue, 2014-10-21 18:33
#22
bagkitty
@unionist.... I thought he was born in a manger in Judea... and that he will demonstrate his waterwalking abilities in the forthcoming election.
Tue, 2014-10-21 20:05
#23
As I mentioned Liberals presently seem cult-like.
Similiar to a cult, if you challenge their leader's abilities, rather than resorting to discussing the policies that their political party represents, they respond with nonsensical gibberish you see above.
I would not categorize the sangha of Justin as a cult. Rather, it is a gathering of those who are in bliss sitting at the feet of his Holiness Sri Swami Justin. Thankfully Sri Swami Justin does not lower himself to discussing petty politics as his mere presence provides our sangha with all the joy and bliss one can imagine and hope for.
This mantra willl provide us with all the bliss Canada will ever need:
Hare Justin, Hare Justin
Justin Justin, Hare Hare
Hare Trudeau, Hare Trudeau
Trudeau Trudeau, Hare Hare
(repeat chant until enlightenment is reached or until the Oct 2015 election, whichever comes first)
NorthReport, I so wish the NDP would also establish a sangha of loyal and beloved devotees. Maybe his holiness Bhagawan Sri Mulcair can find it in his heart to open an ashram of his own?
Hmmmm...
Hare Mulcair, Hare Mulcair
Mulcair Mulcair, Hare Hare
Hare Tom, Hare Tom
Tom Tom, Hare Hare
(I apologize to any devotee of Krisna for any offence, real or imagined, caused by this post)
Tue, 2014-10-21 20:18
#24
I knew we would get another one of these amusing titles from North Report sooner or later.
The title of this thread can join such other classics such as "Adrian Dix will be the Next Premier of British Columbia" and "Andrea Horwath will be the Next Premier of Ontario".
This over-the-top rhetoric by North Report (often backed up by Jacob Two-Two & Nicky) is one of the things that makes these boards tedious to read and causes some like myself to take a leave of absence from here every now & then.
I might as well start a few threads called:
1. Who will be the Next NDP MP to Defect?
2. Is Tom Mulcair So Angry he is even scaring his Own MP's away?
3. Will Mulcair's NDP drop to 3rd in the next election?
4. Why does Mulcair have lower numbers than Ignatief or Dion at this point in their leadership?
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Is Justin Trudeau going to hit a speedbump now & then? Of course he is. That's politics. It's happening to Harper & Mulcair, too. Except a lot more frequently to the latter two - that's why they're behind.
The reason the Liberals have a chance to succeed in 2015 is because of Justin Trudeau. He has basically doubeld their support over the past 2 years. So it's foolish when thread titles like this appear.
Just like it would be foolish of me (although tempting!) to start a thread predicting Mulcair's demise because another NDP MP defected today. While it could eventually hurt Mulcair if too many NDP MP's quit to join other parties, only a drama queen would try to turn every hiccup into a prediction of doom & gloom.
Tue, 2014-10-21 20:27
#25
Damn, I wish there were a "like" button.@unionist.... I thought he was born in a manger in Judea... and that he will demonstrate his waterwalking abilities in the forthcoming election.
Tue, 2014-10-21 20:28
#26
Try not to make it personal, K?I knew we would get another one of these amusing titles from North Report sooner or later.
The title of this thread can join such other classics such as "Adrian Dix will be the Next Premier of British Columbia" and "Andrea Horwath will be the Next Premier of Ontario".
This over-the-top rhetoric by North Report (often backed up by Jacob Two-Two & Nicky) is one of the things that makes these boards tedious to read and causes some like myself to take a leave of absence from here every now & then.
I might as well start a few threads called:
1. Who will be the Next NDP MP to Defect?
2. Is Tom Mulcair So Angry he is even scaring his Own MP's away?
3. Will Mulcair's NDP drop to 3rd in the next election?
4. Why does Mulcair have lower numbers than Ignatief or Dion at this point in their leadership?
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Is Justin Trudeau going to hit a speedbump now & then? Of course he is. That's politics. It's happening to Harper & Mulcair, too. Except a lot more frequently to the latter two - that's why they're behind.
The reason the Liberals have a chance to succeed in 2015 is because of Justin Trudeau. He has basically doubeld their support over the past 2 years. So it's foolish when thread titles like this appear.
Just like it would be foolish of me (although tempting!) to start a thread predicting Mulcair's demise because another NDP MP defected today. While it could eventually hurt Mulcair if too many NDP MP's quit to join other parties, only a drama queen would try to turn every hiccup into a prediction of doom & gloom.
Tue, 2014-10-21 20:37
#27
I supported Marc Garneau but like he said something like "only Trudeau increased support for the party"
Tue, 2014-10-21 20:38
#28
please delete
Tue, 2014-10-21 20:39
#29
please delete
Tue, 2014-10-21 20:56
#30
This over-the-top rhetoric by North Report (often backed up by Jacob Two-Two & Nicky) is one of the things that makes these boards tedious to read and causes some like myself to take a leave of absence from here every now & then.
Good lord! I kept Debater away? How will I ever live with myself?
Tue, 2014-10-21 21:27
#31
John A was born in Glasgow, and all his life, he carried a bit of the Scotch in him.
Seriously, that silly law about being born in the country has never existed here, Thank Bastet! (the Cat-Goddess).
I'd so love to see Justin lose in his own riding. (To the left, of course).
Tue, 2014-10-21 21:34
#32
swallow
Is Justin Trudeau such a drag that the [i]Conservatives[/i] will take Papineau?
Is Xavier already being groomed for leadership?
Is Justin Trudeau secretly sucking out the souls of babies who stand on his palm? And if so, will the Liberal-flack polling companies stand up and take notice?
[i]Did Justin Trudeau steal all that maple syrup?[/i]
Tue, 2014-10-21 21:42
#33
As I mentioned Liberals presently seem cult-like.
Similiar to a cult, if you challenge their leader's abilities, rather than resorting to discussing the policies that their political party represents, they respond with nonsensical gibberish you see above.
I would not categorize the sangha of Justin as a cult. Rather, it is a gathering of those who are in bliss sitting at the feet of his Holiness Sri Swami Justin. Thankfully Sri Swami Justin does not lower himself to discussing petty politics as his mere presence provides our sangha with all the joy and bliss one can imagine and hope for.
This mantra willl provide us with all the bliss Canada will ever need:
Hare Justin, Hare Justin
Justin Justin, Hare Hare
Hare Trudeau, Hare Trudeau
Trudeau Trudeau, Hare Hare(repeat chant until enlightenment is reached or until the Oct 2015 election, whichever comes first)
NorthReport, I so wish the NDP would also establish a sangha of loyal and beloved devotees. Maybe his holiness Bhagawan Sri Mulcair can find it in his heart to open an ashram of his own?
Hmmmm...
Hare Mulcair, Hare Mulcair
Mulcair Mulcair, Hare Hare
Hare Tom, Hare Tom
Tom Tom, Hare Hare
(I apologize to any devotee of Krisna for any offence, real or imagined, caused by this post)
In a thread containing a good bit of wit, I think this post stands out. Thanks for the laughs.
Tue, 2014-10-21 21:57
#34
J22 I'm going to nominate you got the Nobel Peace Prize for keeping Debater away from Babble.
Tue, 2014-10-21 22:34
#35
Damn, I wish there were a "like" button.@unionist.... I thought he was born in a manger in Judea... and that he will demonstrate his waterwalking abilities in the forthcoming election.
Tue, 2014-10-21 22:37
#36
Michael nailed it - great post JKR! 
As I mentioned Liberals presently seem cult-like.
Similiar to a cult, if you challenge their leader's abilities, rather than resorting to discussing the policies that their political party represents, they respond with nonsensical gibberish you see above.
I would not categorize the sangha of Justin as a cult. Rather, it is a gathering of those who are in bliss sitting at the feet of his Holiness Sri Swami Justin. Thankfully Sri Swami Justin does not lower himself to discussing petty politics as his mere presence provides our sangha with all the joy and bliss one can imagine and hope for.
This mantra willl provide us with all the bliss Canada will ever need:
Hare Justin, Hare Justin
Justin Justin, Hare Hare
Hare Trudeau, Hare Trudeau
Trudeau Trudeau, Hare Hare(repeat chant until enlightenment is reached or until the Oct 2015 election, whichever comes first)
NorthReport, I so wish the NDP would also establish a sangha of loyal and beloved devotees. Maybe his holiness Bhagawan Sri Mulcair can find it in his heart to open an ashram of his own?
Hmmmm...
Hare Mulcair, Hare Mulcair
Mulcair Mulcair, Hare Hare
Hare Tom, Hare Tom
Tom Tom, Hare Hare
(I apologize to any devotee of Krisna for any offence, real or imagined, caused by this post)
In a thread containing a good bit of wit, I think this post stands out. Thanks for the laughs.
Tue, 2014-10-21 22:43
#37
If my wife hated my job I would be changing jobs pronto, as my family always comes before any job, or my personal ambitions.
Too bad for Trudeau, as it sounds like he may be going to learn the hard way what are the most important things in life.
Justin Trudeau says a marriage in politics has its 'ups and downs'
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-says-a-marriage-in-politi...
Wed, 2014-10-22 00:17
#38
Tom has a point.
Trudeau's plan to revoke Tory tax cut premature: Mulcair
NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair said it was premature for Justin Trudeau to say the Liberals would take away a Conservative tax cut that doesn’t yet exist.
Mulcair reacted on Monday to comments over the weekend by the Liberal leader, who said, if elected, the Grits would rescind the promised income-splitting tax cuts.
Mulcair said his party doesn’t like income splitting because it doesn’t benefit a large enough percentage of the population. Income splitting allows couple to pool incomes in order for the higher earner to fall into a lower tax bracket.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/20/trudeaus-plan-to-revoke-tory-tax-cu...
Wed, 2014-10-22 00:22
#39
montrealer58
Too Much More Information
Wed, 2014-10-22 09:11
#40
Here's the reality of the most recent poll instead of all the nonsense being shovelled at us by the Liberal-biased pollsters, media, and commentators.
Liberal Support Drops As NDP Makes Up Ground, Poll Suggests
In other words, with an election now less than a year way, Thomas Mulcair's New Democrats are very much in the equation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/20/liberal-poll-ndp-conservatives-2...
Wed, 2014-10-22 19:47
#41
Lysiane Gagnon just wrote in the Globe & Mail
"My guess is that his party will start losing ground as soon as the election campaign begins and the focus is on the leaders."
Wed, 2014-10-22 19:57
#42
Here's the reality of the most recent poll instead of all the nonsense being shovelled at us by the Liberal-biased pollsters, media, and commentators.
Liberal Support Drops As NDP Makes Up Ground, Poll Suggests
In other words, with an election now less than a year way, Thomas Mulcair's New Democrats are very much in the equation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/20/liberal-poll-ndp-conservatives-2...
You left this part out:
The results paint a different picture than a poll released by EKOS Research on Sunday, showing the Liberals at 38.5 per cent support, the Tories at 26.4 per cent and NDP at 25 per cent.
So, abacus versus ekos, which is usually most accurate?
Wed, 2014-10-22 20:02
#43
Please provide us with the link concening Trudeau's dim future - thanks.
Lysiane Gagnon just wrote in the Globe & Mail
"My guess is that his party will start losing ground as soon as the election campaign begins and the focus is on the leaders."
Wed, 2014-10-22 20:26
#44
Wrong thread.
Wed, 2014-10-22 20:30
#45
tt
Is the article you quoted from entitled: "He's sweet, but is Trudeau a PM?"
If so, are you able to provide the link - thanks.
Wed, 2014-10-22 21:36
#46
Thu, 2014-10-23 11:38
#47
Here we go again - the author of this article is getting more than a bit carried away.
Justin Trudeau’s policy light memoir is a gamble: Timson
Will releasing a memoir that unveils one of the most offbeat resumes of any aspiring prime minister evoke comfort or concern in potential voters?
http://www.thestar.com/life/2014/10/22/justin_trudeaus_policy_light_memo...
Thu, 2014-10-23 11:47
#48
Gary Clement/National Post
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/10/21/gary-clement-on-justin-tr...
Thu, 2014-10-23 12:51
#49
Trudeau gets my vote because he has a nice smile and fantastic hair.......lol
I will be voting NDP not because I am a huge fan of Mulclair (nevertheless he is still the best of the 3) but because I like my MP Jinny Simms.
Thu, 2014-10-23 18:01
#50
Maybe we had better start warming up our engines, eh!
Will this terror attack be a political game-changer?
In times of a national crisis or a perceived national crisis, people want a seasoned hand at the controls. Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau has the look of being anything but a seasoned hand.
The attack could affect election timing. One very senior party figure on the opposition side said the likelihood of an early election campaign was now better than 50-50. Even an election before Christmas is now not out of the question, the politician said, with the PM making security the lead issue.
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For civil libertarians, however, yesterday was a disaster. Acres of copy have been written on how this government of control freaks has already done more to censor and negate freedoms of speech and other liberties than any before it. There’s nothing like a terrorist incident to imbue a leader with greater powers. Harper is now in position to extend the reaches of his party-of-one to new precincts. All he needs do is invoke new threats and say new powers are necessary to ensure the security of Canadians.
Trudeau will be on the defensive, especially when our CF-18s begin their missions in Iraq. In light of what happened in the nation’s capital, he will be ridiculed by those on the governing benches who will say that humanitarian aid is hardly the way to stop those like the man who terrorized Parliament yesterday.
Faced with a new kind of threat — homegrown violent extremism — it is the steeliness of Justin Trudeau’s father that is needed, but it’s Harper who is in position to show that kind of mettle now.
http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/10/23/is-terror-attack-a-political-game-cha...
Sat, 2014-10-25 14:10
#51
Plutocrats Against Democracy
For the political right has always been uncomfortable with democracy. No matter how well conservatives do in elections, no matter how thoroughly free-market ideology dominates discourse, there is always an undercurrent of fear that the great unwashed will vote in left-wingers who will tax the rich, hand out largess to the poor, and destroy the economy.
In fact, the very success of the conservative agenda only intensifies this fear. Many on the right — and I’m not just talking about people listening to Rush Limbaugh; I’m talking about members of the political elite — live, at least part of the time, in an alternative universe in which America has spent the past few decades marching rapidly down the road to serfdom. Never mind the new Gilded Age that tax cuts and financial deregulation have created; they’re reading books with titles like “A Nation of Takers: America’s Entitlement Epidemic,” asserting that the big problem we have is runaway redistribution.
This is a fantasy. Still, is there anything to fears that economic populism will lead to economic disaster? Not really. Lower-income voters are much more supportive than the wealthy toward policies that benefit people like them, and they generally support higher taxes at the top. But if you worry that low-income voters will run wild, that they’ll greedily grab everything and tax job creators into oblivion, history says that you’re wrong. All advanced nations have had substantial welfare states since the 1940s — welfare states that, inevitably, have stronger support among their poorer citizens. But you don’t, in fact, see countries descending into tax-and-spend death spirals — and no, that’s not what ails Europe.
Still, while the “kind of politics and policies” that responds to the bottom half of the income distribution won’t destroy the economy, it does tend to crimp the incomes and wealth of the 1 percent, at least a bit; the top 0.1 percent is paying quite a lot more in taxes right now than it would have if Mr. Romney had won. So what’s a plutocrat to do?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/opinion/paul-krugman-plutocrats-agains...